Interceptor
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Wii U GPU base specs: 160 ALUs, 8 TMUs, 8 ROPs; Rumor: Wii U hardware was downgraded
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Besides, the proof is the pudding as they say. I am seeing a lot of stuff consistently happening on Nintendo games on the Wii U that weren't consistently happening on games last generation. Some of this is just because Nintendo is that good at developing games, but a large part is also because Nintendo is that good at knowing how best ot take advantage of the hardware. Their software marriage to their hardware directly leads to many of the results we have today. This leads to stark advantages over last generation hardware simply because Nintendo can use theirs even better.
Also because Nintendo makes concious decisions. Such as have racing and fighting games at 60 fps or 1080p, favoring performance over "higher fidelity visuals". It's all about choice. What sacrificies feel right for wich game. A game more focused on "how it looks" might favor 30 fps so they can do more visually, while games that focus more on action favor 60 fps. It's always been an option even last generation.
Is the Wii U ultimately more powerful than last generation? Hard to know for certain, but NIntendo is showing it can take advantage of it;s hardware better than folks who tried to take advantage of last generations hardware, which is why we're seeing visually impressive games that feels great and seem to stand tall next to more powerful machines. Now, just imagine what Nintendo will do next generation when they have even more powerful hardware. The PS5 can double it up in hardware if it wants, but we're already seeing soem fans having diminishing returns on visual impact.
Also because Nintendo makes concious decisions. Such as have racing and fighting games at 60 fps or 1080p, favoring performance over "higher fidelity visuals". It's all about choice. What sacrificies feel right for wich game. A game more focused on "how it looks" might favor 30 fps so they can do more visually, while games that focus more on action favor 60 fps. It's always been an option even last generation.
Is the Wii U ultimately more powerful than last generation? Hard to know for certain, but NIntendo is showing it can take advantage of it;s hardware better than folks who tried to take advantage of last generations hardware, which is why we're seeing visually impressive games that feels great and seem to stand tall next to more powerful machines. Now, just imagine what Nintendo will do next generation when they have even more powerful hardware. The PS5 can double it up in hardware if it wants, but we're already seeing soem fans having diminishing returns on visual impact.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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I dont understand what the point is in a small box if it is noisy.
People here shit on the PS4s fans but playing a game the WiiU is by and large the noisiest console of the 3.
Such a backwards way of thinking.
People here shit on the PS4s fans but playing a game the WiiU is by and large the noisiest console of the 3.
Such a backwards way of thinking.
Interceptor
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Something is wrong with your Wii U. Maybe a faulty drive. Try it without a DVD.
OminoMichelin
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Soooo can a mod lock this thread already?
Orniletter
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Emberassing necromancy on display here.
Edit: LOL, it was Ninjablade !
Edit: LOL, it was Ninjablade !
I just explained that. Bugs, incomplete SDK, incomplete documentation.
Also, and I explained that as well many times, the Wii U hardware architecture was designed for deferred renderers. Only very few PS360 games ever used deferred rendering because those systems simply weren't very good at it. Port those to Wii U and you might run into trouble. On the other hand, try to port a game designed for Wii U to PS360 and you'll run into even bigger trouble.
We all know very well that the devkits and the months before launch + just after launch were not an ideal situation for Wii U devs, hence their comments.
However, things quickly turned around after launch, Nintendo fixed their documentation, ramped up their support, made Unity compatible and fixed most of the issues devs had.
Yes we've still seen average ports after launch period, but also some very good ones. Deus Ex, for example and Bayonetta now as a more recent example.
Other games like AC Black Flag were just straight ports without a lot of extra effort, but they were holding up pretty well.
At the end of the day, numbers don't even matter. The end result does. Wii U brought us a fantastic looking Mario kart and will bring us a big open world game like X and a graphical showcase with Zelda Wii U. I'm sure most will agree you won't be able to make it in the same way as they are now for a ps360.
Ninjablade, honest question, what makes you hate the WiiU so much?
I see you in most positive Wii U threads as lone negative voice and in negative threads as one of the loudest voices.
There is no new information in this link. And it has been discussed to death. Everyone knows the Wii U is not as powerful as the PS4 and XBox One and in some ways (though not all ways) not as powerful as the PS3 and 360.
Why does it bother you that people still enjoy the system and it's games? Why is it so troubling that some people think the Wii U games are fun and actually look good (at least to them)?
Sony and MS got the sales. They won that contest. Wii U owners know this.
Why can't you let people enjoy what they are enjoying? Why nerco negative threads and sentiments.
I am not saying this to be mean. I really am just wondering what makes you (or anyone hyper-critical of any console) care so much? I actually want to know.
I see you in most positive Wii U threads as lone negative voice and in negative threads as one of the loudest voices.
There is no new information in this link. And it has been discussed to death. Everyone knows the Wii U is not as powerful as the PS4 and XBox One and in some ways (though not all ways) not as powerful as the PS3 and 360.
Why does it bother you that people still enjoy the system and it's games? Why is it so troubling that some people think the Wii U games are fun and actually look good (at least to them)?
Sony and MS got the sales. They won that contest. Wii U owners know this.
Why can't you let people enjoy what they are enjoying? Why nerco negative threads and sentiments.
I am not saying this to be mean. I really am just wondering what makes you (or anyone hyper-critical of any console) care so much? I actually want to know.
ninjablade
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I don't hate the wiiu, I do think the hardware sucks for a next generation console. I always loved Mario platformers and Zelda and even said the wiiu has the best exclusives. I just hate when people make up stuff about he graphics being way better then lastgen cause they don't wanna except the fact Nintendo gave them hardware on par with last gen consoles, And honestly the lazy dev part about every wiiu port was annoying as hell, they blame the dev but can't blame Nintendo for the weak hardware.
I get juniored for an ill advised thread title but he continues to shit up WiiU and Bayonetta threads. Feels awesome.
ninjablade
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no shit they were from the wiiu launch but of course this thread and those quotes go hand in hand to back each other up. They were also never brought up in this thread. These developers are basically giving us numbers about the gpu flops count, basically telling us less then 240 gflops, I don't know of any other developer that gave us these kind of estimates.
They were never brought up here because most people knew that outdated articles like that weren't true at this point. As said in that Bayonetta thread where you tried this already, the time devs were calling the Wii U weak, and it was only a few, was only at launch and that was do poor documentation and absent support from Nintendo which only pertained to the CPU. We now know that they didn't even know they were only using one core of the CPU. No known dev has ever stated the Wii U has less graphical power than the 360 or PS3 without recanting it later. Even the one that bashed the Wii U on Eurogamer said the GPU had more power.
There have already been plenty of devs who have corrected those misconceptions about what the Wii U can and cannot do. It has been acknowledged and proven as stronger than the last gen consoles multiple times since launch by multiple known devs. Stop beating a dead horse.
IsntChrisL
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Oh my gosh, these ancient, cherry-picked quotes are eye-opening. Thank you, ninja!
SpecialAgentZ
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Try to relax and enjoy your games, dude.
I believe a lot of people (myself included) came here expecting to see something new, not to read frustration relief in text form.
Baron_Calamity
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But will it run GTA?
of course you bumped this thread
your shtick is played out man. you have an irrational hatred of an inanimate object. seek help.
The article that bumped this thread already had a thread posted all the way back in early 2012, a huge one at that.
m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=468841
So yes that article has already been discussed on GAF.
A simple search would've shown this.
m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=468841
So yes that article has already been discussed on GAF.
A simple search would've shown this.
ninjablade
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what? Everybody here pretty much agrees the wiiu has a 176 Gflops GPU, Well maybe except for you.
How am I going to enjoy Bayonetta 2 now knowing that some developer sometime doesnt think the console thats clearly more powerful than last gen is more powerful than last gen.
Time to trade in the WiiU, thanks for opening my eyes Ninja to the fact I havent been having fun with it for the past 2 years. Phew and to think I was about to make the mistake of buying Smash bros in the pretence that it looks fun as well.
Time to trade in the WiiU, thanks for opening my eyes Ninja to the fact I havent been having fun with it for the past 2 years. Phew and to think I was about to make the mistake of buying Smash bros in the pretence that it looks fun as well.
What does that have to do with anything I just said?
Also, the 176 Gflops theory rests on the GPU also having fixed function shaders that give it far more performance to account for the fact that ALU's on the GPU are physically 80% larger than the 20 shader units that would make it just 176's. Its not simply a 176 /end capability. I linked directly to it when you went on that tirade in my PM box using this exact thread and the exact same arguments. You are constantly ignoring any information that is posted that doesn't fit your agenda and restating the same arguments.
ninjablade
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fixed function is just wishful speculation, but you can think what ever you like. I already know who to trust when it comes to tech head's and sorry you're Cleary not one.
davonaytor
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All console hardware always sucks, always. It doesn't matter.
176 Gflops is just speculation, and as I just said again, its the directly tied to the theory by the people who actually stated it and made this thread. bgassassin and Fourth Storm. The entirety of the 176 Gflops argument relies on there being fixed function. Without it, the GPU has to be more than a 176 Gflops. The shader units are simply to big to be just 176.
Nikodemos
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That's an extremely shortsighted way to look at the situation, and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't like Nintendo or their practices.
What you and like-minded people keep forgetting is that Nintendo brought out the U after the Wii. The Wii, for fuck's sake. A double-clocked, die-shrunk Gamecube with some extra RAM thrown on. For Nintendo, the performance jump is as big as from the PS1 to the XB360. It is, in all respects save raw power, a true next generation console. Sure, not the same 'next-generation' as its competition, but for that lay the blame on late-2004 Nintendo for deciding to recycle their at-the-time current architecture.
Smiles and Cries
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looking back at ninja's post history this was a bad move man
Locamotable
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Hey guys i just played bayonetta 2 and it was really fun.
ninjablade
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Lol you think neogaf would allow this thread to exist if it was just speculation. the 176 Gflops count is pretty much a fact.
GhostTrick
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How could you? Having fun when the world stopped in 2012? Didn't read this new revelation of ninjablade? Stop liking Bayonetta 2 right now!
It's a fucking great and gorgeous game! Someone press Punish on the poor torment soul already
The only thing noisy about my Wii U is the disc drive. When playing digital download games the console is silent.
You could have a dust problem. I use this on my electronic devices to clean out the dust.
This is literally in the first post.
Its only fact assuming the rest of what I pointed out was true. The theory is that its either 160 ALU(176 Gflops) with fixed function shaders taking up the rest of the space in the ALU or its 320 ALU(352 Gflops).
I'm not going to continue repeating the same things which you just completely ignore entirely.
ninjablade
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yea that's when we had GPU die pics, tech heads were trying to figure out the flop count, this thread was based on a leaked development document and had mod approval.
GhostTrick
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My point isn't that this is wrong. I think that Wii U GPU has 160 ALUs indeed. My point was that you claimed that it wouldn't be here if it was speculation.
And I'd say that, as of today, we still don't know some things about this GPU.
ninjablade
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Seriously WTF does bayoneta 2 have to do with this discussion.
Half of your posts have been about bayonetta, how platinum should make more games for PS4, how weak WiiU is etc... Stop it - we know you don't like the Wii U - that's ok, please enjoy your PS4 but stop this crusade.
Locamotable
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Are we calling this a discussion?
ninjablade
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yes I claimed this thread wouldn't exist if it was just based on wishful speculation, clearly it not, it backed by facts and the leaked documents.
Its possibly to do with the fact you necrobumped an old threat to shit on the WiiU which is pumping out a slew of high quality titles such as Bayonetta 2 and folks have a hunch your a tad salty that the object of your hatred is gaining in popularity.
Edit forgot to add the info that you bumped the thread iwith is also older than the thread itself. Try not to be so transparent next time.
I think thats probably a good move.
Yeah, I shouldn't have even responded in the first place. Its seems he just outright ignores any and everything that goes counter to what he wants to be true.
CyanideFuse
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You had fun whilst playing a game?
You are doing it wrong.
I am joking of course. I think...
Why is this guy still on NeoGaf? I got tempbanned for whining and he is still here. Is he in the management or something. Jesus Christ.
It seems to me this depends on the game.
Bayonetta for example, especially during cutscenes, is one of the worst offenders, on the other hand I can play Mario Kart 8 from disc barely noticing any noise.
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