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[Nokterian]

Well, this just made my decision to not get an Xbox One a lot easier.

I made that decision a longtime ago. Seeing how this studio shits on there fans well there you get your bad reputation being a horrible developer.

 

[Garrett 2U]

Ugh. ADS.
That scope looks like a weapon attachment. Excellent.

I'm nervous about this beta.

 

[SDCowboy]

What if...and this may sound crazy...this new Halo formula is more fun?

 

[Blue Ninja]

Maybe only the DMR/BR have ADS.

Is that a possibility?

If it functions as a zoom and your hip fire is precise, then maybe. Otherwise I just don't see the point of it.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

 

[Two Words]

"Here is Halo 2 remade playing EXACTLY HOW YOU LOVED IT!"

*Massive Applause*

1 Year Later

"Here is Halo 5, which plays like ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE A HALO GAME!"

 

[JayEH]

343: "we want to bring back arena multiplayer"

Adds ADS.

 

[Lrrr]

As a long-time Halo and FPS player, I'm used to ADS and Sprint in other games, so their inclusion in H5 doesn't bother me so long as they're not part of a specialization class. If all players have them as the default style, I'm cool with it.

I'd be disappointed if 'Ordnance Drops' (aka Killstreak Bonuses) and the perks system make a return.

 

[Latvian Hitman]

With all the insults in this thread I hope they keep ADS and sprint.

Some of you disgust me.

Be respectful and let them know properly without swearing and throwing insults.

This isn't a new or surprising trend with 343i. The dedicated/hardcore portion of the Halo community has been "letting them know" for a few years now that they don't want these things in Halo. The fact that they are (apparently) present in the new title is a slap in the face to that community. Of course they're going to lash out.

 

[Lumination]

ADS definately.

Why? I've definitely scoped in and out quickly for kills in H2 and 3. My first instinct is that this looks like ADS, but I can't be 100% sure.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Can someone put a that red circle with the slash through it over my avvy please? Would like that to be my avatar from now on.

 

[Steve o 3000]

Why don't they just have a classic playlist that removes sprint, ads, drops, etc?

 

[danwarb]

ADS caters to people without skills?

It slows the game down. It's boring. You don't have to move and shoot at the same time. It usually comes with bloom to punish those who move and shoot at the same time.

This may just be toggle zoom.

 

[Courage]

Maybe only the DMR/BR have ADS.

Is that a possibility?

It seems like movement is slowed down when the player aims down sights, when that wasn't the case with DMR/BR.

If that was the case, then the DMR/BR would probably be drastically gimped at hip-fire.

 

[HiiiLife]

Maybe only the DMR/BR have ADS.

Is that a possibility?

Too soon to say. But so far its not a good look for OG Halo players.

Imagine another leak comes and the dude ADS a shotgun. Lol. Holy shit fans will riot.

 

[Ninjician]

Told y'all.

 

[farisr]

That one guy who gave Halo 4 a 3/10 for no ADS will be happy.

 

[Vire]

It's worth noting as well that on top of being a garbage way to appease bad players, it also entirely changes the pace of the combat. Early Halo titles had an amazing ebb and flow to the combat, where every engagement was tense. Now you have an entire stutter-stop flow, one where some are stopping/slowing for ironsights, and others are engaging sprint to get out of dodge. It becomes an entirely different and decidedly non-Halo experience.

Exactly, there's a huge difference between

RUN OR GUN AND RUN AND GUN.

Halo was that latter before. This is just sad.

 

[Striker]

Guess hardcore Halo MO fans don't want change to classic gameplay model - which ADS and sprint would clearly bring as they do affect play style and arguably weapon balance.

It's not even that. The players left Halo 4 in a massive hurry once other games came out soon after and it dropped down the board on the XBL Activity Chart. That's terrible for a supposed top IP. For an Xbox franchise, you would expect it to be one of the most popular and played series, but while it sold alot due to the brand name, it did not have a very good population after several months.

Isn't it great how we had to get a leak to reveal massive changes to the core mechanics

Also, 343 saying this halo would go back to basics and then doing the opposite doesnt help

They also said Halo 4 felt like Halo.

Horribly ignorant question: how is ADS different than say using the BR with scope in Halo 2? Been awhile since I've played a Halo.

With a scoped weapon like a BR, you can still have complete mobility in running, strafing, and jumping.

 

[hydruxo]

Aiming down sites is how one properly uses a gun. That's not a COD thing. I don't get why people want the gunplay in Halo stuck in 1997.

Right? I like ADS in games and the control it gives me rather than spraying bullets from the hip.

That being said, I fully understand why Halo fans would be mad about a fundamental part of the mechanics being changed.

 

[cackhyena]

And then you in turn are easy pickings.

...right. Even handed. Still have the choice to go no ADS. I don't see the issue.

 

[Orayn]

Okay so everyone's assuming hipfire accuracy has gone down the shitter? Because if that's not the case, the hate is still unjustified.

And what's wrong with sprint?

Honest questions here. I've never played Halo but I understand the mechanics it had.

Hipfire accuracy is almost certainly worse now because that's the only reason to implement ADS in the first place. It's a way of forcing the player to choose between mobility and accuracy.

Sprint dramatically changes the map design because it changes how players move. Similar to ADS, it's also a forced choice between fast movement and actually being able to shoot.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Maybe only the DMR/BR have ADS.

Is that a possibility?

Not really. ADS means that you have to make drastic alterations to the gun-grenade-melee trinity, you couldn't just do it to two weapons.

 

[RespectThySole]

Sprint, are you fucking kidding me?

 

[Maintenance]

"Here is Halo 5, which plays like ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE A HALO GAME!"

*Massive applause by the media*

 

[Fracas]

Great job 343. Y'all have some cool people and I respect your decisions but dear god you killed halo faster than Bungie ever could.

Have trying to sustain a sequel to the fastest-dying halo game on a platform with a tenth of the playerbase.

 

[oti]

So this is basically the video game equivalent of changing the rules of chess, isn't it?

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Why? I've definitely scoped in and out quickly for kills in H2 and 3. My first instinct is that this looks like ADS, but I can't be 100% sure.

One because it's not a full screen zoom in, and two because you can see the gun around the sight.

 

[Grief.exe]

The only redeeming factor is this mechanic may be created as a crutch for bad players. The only problem would be if they force arbitrary shot vectors on players shooting 'from the hip.'

The other problem I could easily see arise is your average Call of Duty player, which is the demographic they are targeting with this change, will get destroyed by even a terrible Halo player.

 

[Amir0x]

What if...and this may sound crazy...this new Halo formula is more fun?

Yeah that worked out great for Halo 4, for the entire community abandoned it for being garbage inferior shit compared to past Halo multiplayer.

 

[Endoplasmatisch]

Dat title. Lol

Game releases in 13 months and we have even a beta.

Can we please relax?

 

[RoKKeR]

So where is that guy who works for 343 and is GAF member? He can clarify any misunderstanding etc.

Self-imposed ban, probably because he saw this coming.

 

[Coreda]

It's called ironsight, guys.

. Never heard it referred to as ADS.

 

[burger_shot56]

"NeoGaf is gonna eat you alive"

 

[Broder Salsa]

ADS caters to people without skills?

The truth is, it's all those unskillful players that can't adapt that will get hit by this. As a halo pro, I take it as a challenge.

 

[Zakalwe]

I am not against Sprint and ADS in Halo.
The reactions in here, and the thread title are ridiculous.

Halo player since day 1.

ADS and sprint change too much of the feel of Halo gameplay and further homogenise a once unique franchise.

The game will probably be decent enough, but for many long time Halo fans it isn't what they wanted.

It's not hard to understand why people are upset.

 

[Walshicus]

Dunno, sprinting worked quite well in H4. I can't imagine how anyone can be so fucking unbalanced as to really find Aiming Down Sights to be offensive.

 

[Jackpot]

I thought it was called Ironsights...

That was the PC name. ADS is the name console players who have only recently encountered the mechanic call it, and they outnumber us.

How does anyone know there's ADS across the board though? The gun in the video is the BR...

20th century reflex sight on a rail compared to an integrated scope like the BR suggests it's a universal attachements system.

 

[Raide]

Damn, just add a BF style MP mode and the interwebs will stop working.

 

[Caveman]

Halo doesn't need ADS

 

[AuthenticM]

Halo is not exclusively defined by absence of sprinting and ADS.

Also, sprinting is great. I would have been pissed if it didn't have it.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

...right. Even handed. Still have the choice to go no ADS. I don't see the issue.

It's not an issue in itself, nothing wrong with the gameplay, but the fact is halo should play like Halo, be it's own thing, CoD can be CoD.

 

[Darryl M R]

Was ADS never a thing in Halo? I can't remember when playing Halo 3 if I could ever ADS. . I didn't know this would be a big deal. .

Aren't we getting upset over a few seconds of gameplay?

 

[legacyzero]

It's certainly a feature that makes sense and is justified from my perspective. People do aim down weapon sites, and have done since the creation of the firearm. It makes less sense to exclude it than include it. I think there is too much adversity to adopting features in games that are popular and common, because by extension, it generally means a mechanic is successful, and wanted. I cannot speak to the way this may change a Halo game, as my experience with them is extremely limited.

Some franchises are good, and maybe even better for not going with the wood grain, though. Look at games like Left 4 dead. I cant imagine that game with ADS. Im not sure why. It just FEELS better.

Im not against ADS by any means, but it doesnt belong in every shooter for design reasons.

 

[EBreda]

People hate everything these days.

2 seconds blurry video = let's bomb 343 and kill devs.
Add one mechanic I don't care for = let's bomb 343 and kill devs.
Don't give me exactly what I want = let's bomb 343 and kill devs.

Hey, there's a double jump in my platformer = crap.
There's dual wielding in my fps = shit.
There's nitro in my racer = dead.

Everything must stay exactly the same, forever. Sickening.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Right? I like ADS in games and the control it gives me rather than spraying bullets from the hip.

That being said, I fully understand why Halo fans would be mad about a fundamental part of the mechanics being changed.

But, the thing is, in previous Halos shooting from the hip was just as accurate as shooting while zoomed in. There was no "spraying bullets from the hip."

 

[SCHUEY F1]

As a long-time Halo and FPS player, I'm used to ADS and Sprint in other games, so their inclusion in H5 doesn't bother me so long as they're not part of a specialization class. If all players have them as the default style, I'm cool with it.

I'd be disappointed if 'Ordnance Drops' (aka Killstreak Bonuses) and the perks system make a return.

.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

What if...and this may sound crazy...this new Halo formula is more fun?

Worked out great in Halo 4.

Oh wait.

NO IT BLOODY DIDN'T.

 

[Madness]

No point...

 

[naw]

disgusting