Nope. Counter-Stike Global Offensive has been wildly successful for Valve, they stuck with winning Counter-Strike formula. No sprint, no ads, no perks, no killstreaks etc and it's doing spectacular for them and the fans are happy. 343i could do the same with Halo and be wildly successful themselves, all that needs to be done is give Halo fans what they want, not cater to CoD fans or Battlefield fans or any other fans for any series, Halo fans are what matters when it comes to Halo. Fans overwhelmingly rejected the changes made to the Halo gameplay formula in Halo: Reach and Halo 4, yet 343i continues to shove them and newer fuckups down Halo fan's throats. It's lunacy, they just can't learn from the past and it is sad.
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Halo 5 beta clips leak (sprint, ADS is *not* COD-style) (more clips and info added)
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Nope. Counter-Stike Global Offensive has been wildly successful for Valve, they stuck with winning Counter-Strike formula. No sprint, no ads, no perks, no killstreaks etc and it's doing spectacular for them and the fans are happy. 343i could do the same with Halo and be wildly successful themselves, all that needs to be done is give Halo fans what they want, not cater to CoD fans or Battlefield fans or any other fans for any series, Halo fans are what matters when it comes to Halo. Fans overwhelmingly rejected the changes made to the Halo gameplay formula in Halo: Reach and Halo 4, yet 343i continues to shove them and newer fuckups down Halo fan's throats. It's lunacy, they just can't learn from the past and it is sad.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Also, lots of the changes they introduced were just bad. Loadouts, perks, and weapon drops were just not good changes to make. Still, I maintain that under all that there's actually a great Halo game. Hopefully they nail it with this one.
Darryl M R
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Nostalgia. C'mon gaf, stop hindering innovation with premature critiques, or buy a 360.
HaloGAF is like that verbally abusive "friend" that drinks too much while watching football. Change is alright man, if you don't like it don't play it.
HaloGAF is like that verbally abusive "friend" that drinks too much while watching football. Change is alright man, if you don't like it don't play it.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
eh eh excuse me "Hyperbolic hate towards COD"? Where are you getting this from, you're quoting the wrong person clearly. I like COD. I like Halo. Keep them separate please.
And because they've released a remaster I should have no stake or interest in the new games in the series? Lol ok guy, whatever.
Lol I saw plenty of people complain about equipment, but yes, they added that, but you can't stop there. Also guys it was ONEgame which pandered to the COD crowd, can we stop acting like its something they keep on pushing. It's a curse every FPS goes through where the devs decide to implement some "COD-esque" features, it's obvious H4 had too many and they're now retracting on a lot of it.
DATABASE DATABASE
Member
I'm not one to say "they copied CoD!", but the BR and pistol sprint animations really do look like they were pulled straight from CoD. Besides, even if they didn't look like they were copied from CoD, the animations are still really distracting. The BR sways way too much, in my opinion.
Syphon Filter
Member
What innovation? Copying COD?
Monocle
Member
Bro... You've switched the conversation from what kinds of iterative changes make sense when a series already has a great formula, to some bizarre strawman where you say "Why make new things ever, lol!" WTF are you even doing?
Why don't they take inspiration from a game other than COD? Why not 64 player matches and destructible environments like Battlefield?
The fact is 343 is so narrow-sighted that they seem to think there are no other shooters to get inspiration from to "evolve" Halo's gameplay
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Like I said to another poster you're used to ADS in other games. It can function completely different (perhaps even innovatively different) in Halo 5.
And sprinting is about being open to change. All the changes combined could form an innovative picture.
Take any one aspect of H1 and it may not be that impressive but together they form a game that just felt right. Sprinting and ADS are not the end of the world and they can be innovative features for Halo if 343 handles them right.
Who said they haven't? Take a look at some of the bigger game modes with their objectives etc... Also BF has sprint, you can also say they are copying BF with sprint.
Syphon Filter
Member
If they are scaling back then how come they made the zoom look exactly like COD? I honestly dont think they are scaling back.
Uhhhh..what game modes? Halo 5 is still 16 players
Poodlestrike
Banned
The mere fact that they're axing loadouts and returning to on-map power weapons means they're scaling back enormously. Stop being disingenuous.
Link? I don't think they've talked about BTB before. The "bigger than 8v8" speculation is mostly because of the way they keep emphasizing that the beta is "Arena" gameplay, which suggests that there's going to be a much bigger split than usual between 4v4 and BTB than usual.
Dr Amazon MD
Member
He's just playing the contrarian. Trying to compare video games to the Origin of Species or some shit.
Darryl M R
Member
Innovation by bringing new aspects to a game that was not previously there. What is up with the COD comments also? COD wasn't the first game to implement ADS, sprinting, etc.
innovation is copying every other shooter for the past 7 years?
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
You're right. I assumed wrong but you didn't address what I said. You have no idea how ADS will be implemented and you have no idea how Sprint (combined with other features in H5) will impact the Halo sandbox. So stating that these features are not good features for Halo is silly.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Grow up by becoming every other FPS in 2014.
Ever thought that by not copying popular formulas of the genre they are staying fresh?
Digital-Hero
Member
Slow degrading of traditional mechanics that made Halo great are disappearing. Halo 4's MP was a good example of that.
Syphon Filter
Member
That isn't innovation if it existed in many other games. COD was not the first but it was clear they got it from their since its the most popular shooter. That isnt the main point though,the point is that it doesn't work with Halo and its been proven with the failure of Halo 4.
I know how 343s additions ruined 4.
Again with this "it looks like COD" addiction of yours. PLENTY of fps's have that zooming function, why are they only copying COD. BF has it, why don't people say they are copying them.
You're talking about bigger game modes? I think thats more of a technical limitation or whatever, but BTB's is way more like BF than it is like COD, with all the vehicles and objectives.
Final Verdict
Member
There is a reason for that.
If you look at the changes that Bungie made in Halo CE-Reach, they were mostly innovative changes that made combat feel fresh and new.
Take Vehicle Hijacking or Equipment as an example. It is something that had never been done in a fps video game before, and gave a very unique feel to the combat of each game.
The changes in halo 4 were not innovative though, but rather copied off of other popular FPS games like Cod. The result was that the game lost it's unique feel that it had kept in all the previous games, and a lot of people got bored of it quickly.
I mean seriously, if you look at the changes in Halo 4 MP, all they did was add loadouts, sprint, and no de-scoaping. There were no new or interesting mechanics introduced that we had not already previously seen in other fps games.
If they want to succeed in Halo 5, they need to stop copying, and start innovating!!
I don't just want Halo 2 MP with better graphics, I want something that feels fresh!
It's sprint.... how else is it going to impact the game? It makes your spartan go into a running animation and go faster. A lot of people are not fans of it. What is so hard to understand?
Monocle
Member
Those sequels kept the formula intact, more or less. A little less with 3, because equipment created balance issues, but at least the game still retained the core Halo dynamics of equal starts and battles for control over weapon spawn zones.
JigglesBunny
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Happily.
Syphon Filter
Member
The reason they don't mention BF is because COD is the most popular and others want to see if they can get the same crowd/sales. Its not even the main point though, the point is that it doesn't fit or work for Halo.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I wish Frankie would post in this thread
Ol No Bones
Banned
Loadouts hurt halo more than sprint ever did. Now that they have some experience I hope that they can deliver an quality game with Halo Characteristics while still being new and fresh.
Chiggs
Member
I don't think it's shit.
Dont think so. Hes hunting the chief, so you will probably play as both charachters.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
I'm not switching the conversation at all. We're talking about innovation and change within an industry that demands it. For crying out loud we have to buy completely new machines every 5-8 years just to handle the constant changes in the gaming industry.
Adding ADS and sprint does not ruin their great formula.
And I'm sorry if you think a first person shooter's formula from 2003 is as timeless as a hammer and nail (lol) but it's not.
toastyToast
Member
It doesn't look like there was an aiming penalty for hipfire. More like you get a quasi-zoom for using ADS.
Not a fan of how that sprint looks though.
Not a fan of how that sprint looks though.
It's good that COD style ADS is not in the game allegedly (343 will always be in suspicion until release), but what the hell.
I want to know how being able to move freely and shoot with accuracy is 'less evolved' than having to damn near stand still and restrict your vision to gain some sort of accuracy. I would really like to know how that's a thing.
I want to know how being able to move freely and shoot with accuracy is 'less evolved' than having to damn near stand still and restrict your vision to gain some sort of accuracy. I would really like to know how that's a thing.
Gnome Scat
Member
I think that's mainly due to the core gameplay being tampered with too much. Although there may be an ADS-like system in Halo 5, Sprint, and Boosters, much of the core gameplay from before Halo 4 still remains.
From Josh Holmes's Twitter
Descope is back! And… that’s the last thing I’ll confirm before tomorrow. Don’t want to spoil the reveal!
So yeah it's sounding a lot better now. While not classic Halo, I think it'll be a lot better this time around than last time.
That's your opinion and that's fine, but I'm not sure why you're arguing with and attacking people that have a different opinion. They are free to innovate all they want, but many fans think that sprint doesn't work.
Krappadizzle
Gold Member
Mad Dash Racing had sprinting. I hated that game, I don't want it(sprinting) in my game.
Am I doing it right? Some of the conclusions some people have come to are just strange.
Am I doing it right? Some of the conclusions some people have come to are just strange.
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Same thing I ask when people say COD needs huge changes.
Vire
Member
Actually no, you aren't doing it right.
Halo 4 had sprinting. I hated that game, I don't want it(sprinting) in my game.
See?
PanicFreak
Member
Dude, destructable environments would ruin the map control. That would be much worse than adding ADS or sprint.
Final Verdict
Member
Halo 4 was their first game as a studio!!
There are very few AAA studios that have made a major hit with their very first game.
Halo was not Bungie's first game, and Crash Bandicoot was not Naughty Dog's first game either. It takes time for a team to really gel together and make something great.
So lets please just wait until tomorrow before making judgements.
You know if I told someone 10 years ago that future COD's will have jetpacks, boosters, mechanical suits and zombie modes they would have laughed in my face and say "that has no place there".
If I told someone 15 years ago that Mario is not going to forever be a 2D sidescroller, and evolve into a 3D platformer with lots of different mechanics, multiplayer, vehicles etc... they would have told move me "get out of here".
If I told someone 10 years ago that a simple mod in Warcraft 3 (dota) was going to turn into the most popular game (and genre) on Earth, where skill shots could span the entire map, wards come standard with every champion and heroes start off with mounts, they would have told me "that has no place in our mod" (mixing Hots and league).
Stop saying "this doesn't fit/work with halo" simply because of some bad decisions made in ONE GAME. There were mistakes, but stop saying because of that there can NEVER be change. Its about finding the balance, not finding the stop sign.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Halo 4 didn't survive because it was not a well designed game. It had nothing to do with individual additions. Like another poster said the most problematic addition to H4 was probably loadouts, perks, and item placement/drops.
You cannot point to one specific change in H4 and say "That's why the game failed" or even point to all the changes and say "That's why the game failed"/ It's much more complex than that.
I'm not attacking anyone! Fans think sprint doesn't work because they haven't seen it work. People doubted that vehicles could work in an FPS but Halo 1 completely shocked everyone. It's not the feature itself. It's the way it's implemented. And thats often where and how Halo has innovated.
You cannot point to one specific change in H4 and say "That's why the game failed" or even point to all the changes and say "That's why the game failed"/ It's much more complex than that.
I'm not attacking anyone! Fans think sprint doesn't work because they haven't seen it work. People doubted that vehicles could work in an FPS but Halo 1 completely shocked everyone. It's not the feature itself. It's the way it's implemented. And thats often where and how Halo has innovated.
Irresistable Thing
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People should read this post. There's pretty much nothing to worry about. Scoping is just purely an aesthetic change for zooming (except that it may be applied to all weapons).
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