Ambition
Member
This whole year has been shite for me, to be honest..
This, I agree with. They also need to stress test the hell out of whatever servers it is they're using.
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Halo: MCC might not use dedicated servers (update: p2p only as fallback, post #278)
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This whole year has been shite for me, to be honest..
This, I agree with. They also need to stress test the hell out of whatever servers it is they're using.
Buddermilk
Neo Member
I had 20 minutes to kill before work (5:00AM EST) and was able to search for, and play 2 matchmade games in H2A, after a hard reset on my XB1. Yesterday I was unable to find a match at all.
Good luck, hope you get this ironed out soon so 343 can start getting the praise it deserves for this collection.
Foolishfellow
Banned
Hahaha, okay. Continue making excuses. 343 and Microsoft have such a solid track record here.
The way I see it, when I put it into perspective, this game will probably be supported for six years or more online. Three or four days of matchmaking errors doesn't really bother me. I got four single player campaigns to get to.
And the fallback to p2p is smart. I'd rather find a match of any kind then miss out because there is a problem with a dedicated server.
And the fallback to p2p is smart. I'd rather find a match of any kind then miss out because there is a problem with a dedicated server.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I assume the improvements are for the US only?
Haven't played a single match made game in Australia since launch. Ditto for my friends.
Ridiculous.
Haven't played a single match made game in Australia since launch. Ditto for my friends.
Ridiculous.
Ecto311
Member
Has it been discussed if a beta would have helped/fixed this? I have yet to even try the multi since me and my wife are going through the single players of all the games first but I don't recall hearing about a beta for this game at all.
Works great for 2 player co-op through the games so far for us - way better than destiny when we could almost never get eachother into a party.
Works great for 2 player co-op through the games so far for us - way better than destiny when we could almost never get eachother into a party.
This is beyond stupid...
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Anyone whose been playing halo for the last 10-13 years knows very well how different dedicated servers feel compared to p2p connections.
When you play the MCC and on the rare occasion that it actually works, all the anger just fades away and you see what an awesome game this is gonna be when it's all sorted.
People have every right to be mad. Some took time off work to play and then couldn't, and a lot of people (myself included) went out to buy and Xbox One just for this game. They'll fix it. Chill the fuck out.
When you play the MCC and on the rare occasion that it actually works, all the anger just fades away and you see what an awesome game this is gonna be when it's all sorted.
People have every right to be mad. Some took time off work to play and then couldn't, and a lot of people (myself included) went out to buy and Xbox One just for this game. They'll fix it. Chill the fuck out.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
You're embarrassing yourself at this stage. Please stop.
Not really, you can read up on game design, a beta stage is actually defined as a shippable product that may contain non game breaking glitches and bugs, so in essence, a product can ship with those known issues and they can or cannot be fixed post launch, if its not game breaking, its shippable.
our months before code release.
Beta
See also: Beta release
Beta is feature and asset complete version of the game, when only bugs are being fixed.[151][152] This version contains no bugs that prevent the game from being shippable.[151] No changes are made to the game features, assets, or code. Beta occurs two to three months before code release.[1
ALLseeingEYE
Member
Really? I suppose Naughty Dog just phoned it in when making the Last of Us? because apparently game developers aren't passionate, and don't 'care' about what they do? What a nonsensical thing to say.
If anything, and in my experience, the developers are exponentially more passionate and emotionally invested in their creations than almost any of the fans (I'm not saying that fans aren't intensely passionate too, this thread obviously shows that). But developers put so much blood sweat and tears into a product like this, and if things go sideways, it can be extremely depressing and hard on them. It can deeply affect their personal lives, especially if server issues like this cause financial troubles and their studio/livelihood gets torn apart.
Reading some comments, it makes it obvious I do not take this stuff as serous as some people.
I'm a VERY patient person though. I'd say screw it, maybe, after a couple weeks...then come back later. I certainly wouldn't excuse the problems, but at minimum I'd give them till at least the weekend.
I will say...this has to absolutely suck if you took time off though. Especially (unpaid) time off.
I'm a VERY patient person though. I'd say screw it, maybe, after a couple weeks...then come back later. I certainly wouldn't excuse the problems, but at minimum I'd give them till at least the weekend.
I will say...this has to absolutely suck if you took time off though. Especially (unpaid) time off.
Would be nice if you could say something about the bugs/glitches in the single player. I understand servers are a priority now, but will 343 look into those problems too?
I'm not understanding your reasoning behind why does this game have a back up if the servers are overloaded or down. I understand P2P is not dedicated servers, but shouldn't games and services people use have back ups in place in case the optimal way is inaccessible at some point? When the electricity in my house is knocked off I have a backup generator just in case my service may be down for an extended period. Is it the best way to power my house? No, but it keeps me living a normal life if a hurricane wipes the power out in my area for 2 weeks. Would you like for them to rent some servers from Amazon for back up instead or something?
I understand both the dedicated and P2P matchmaking is currently not working, but I see no reason to grab a pitchfork every time a game didn't work at launch. If I did that I wouldn't be playing games anymore.
No, I am not happy things aren't working. I would've liked to play some MM the other day, but I have been sticking to custom matches and have been having fun with those. I'll be starting up the campaigns tomorrow and maybe hopefully by the weekend the matchmaking issue will be improved or resolved.
My strong reaction has to do with pointing fingers to other products just because, which *always* ends up like, frankly, this thread.
Anyway, it's not even close to Driveclub. I bought Driveclub and I bought MCC, and both are really not comparable. DC failed to connect to any servers for 3 weeks, and people seem to forget that the moto of that game is related to driving in clubs, issuing challenges and playing online. Heck, even playing solo there's a scrolling "FAILED TO CONNECT TO SERVERS" message during each and every race!
MCC has 4 pretty lenghty campaigns, custom games (that work at launch), coop (that work too), and PVP that for some people work as intended. And that's 3 days after launch, not a month.
I fail to see how anyone in their right mind can compare this to the absolute mess that was (and still is) DC, really. I'm willing to bet everyone that does it simply has not tried both games in their current state. MCC is in a much, much, much better form, there's no comparison really.
There is a patch for some of those tomorrow
biglittleps
Member
DriveClub was a new IP and developed by a studio with troubled development and they are not using like Microsoft Dedicated servers and have no excellent experience of online games like 343. MCC was developed by 4 studios and this match making was taken care big studio 343, but still they failed to provide stable connectivity like they claim with Dedicated severs and better online service which is one of major advantage of Xbox in everyones view for a big holiday game.
It would certainly be unacceptable if that were the case for months/years. The good news is, the update from today did mention a content update for tomorrow that addresses "some campaign fixes and scoring issues."
Joke post?
Who gives a crap about achievements? lol
The game has been out for a couple days, I doubt "achievements popping" is a priority. Please tell me you're joking.
Unless you have some magic crystal ball that told you these things.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
A lot of people do care about achievements. Enough that they decided to add 4500 points to the game.
Maybe you don't, doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed for the people who do.
Yes, it should be fixed.
It should not, in any way at all, be a priority in this case.
No one is defending anything. It's childish to think the priority here is achievements.
Who jumps to the conclusion that they'll never fix them? Really?
You think they're going to ignore the achievements not registering for forever...just because they have much more pressing matters.
Edit***
"Boss, there's a hole in the second lane crossing that bridge. Cars keep falling through it and crashing."
"Guys...there are people saying the paint on the bridge has some bare spots. Better fix that first."
Did my pointing out that various campaign fixes were mentioned as being in tomorrow's update mean nothing?
That's referring to a number of other issues, not Achievements.
I understand the confusion though, we have about 200+ issues and bugs here too contend with.
NerdEyeBlind
Member
WOW it seems like MCC MP (and some of SP?) is broken/unplayable (thought this may be an overreaction) so I'm not as bummed I couldn't afford to get it day one. Hopefully next week when I get paid these issues with be fixed.
OccamsLightsaber
Regularly boosts GAF member count to cry about 'right wing gaf' - Voter #3923781
I guess those 15 races I did last night with my friends were imaginary. That must mean the near 100 i did for 3 weeks prior were also imaginary.
- Leaderboards don't update in real time.
- Club challenges are disabled.
- Faceoffs work when they want to.
- 50% chance you might get into an online race.
- Takes anywhere from 15secs to 1min to start a race.
It's a fucking mess.
Where did you hear it would take literally months/years to fix?
Was there mention that it was specifically not achievements? The statement I quoted certainly didn't. I'm trying to give you information you supposedly want, but it's possible you know something I don't.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
any gaffers streaming?
GunFingers
Member
Can't say I know where 343i is running their servers, but I wouldn't read too much into that statement. 3rd party to Xbox Live could be 343i as the game server code producer, Azure as the hosting provider, or somebody else as the hosting provider.
I personally read that as Xbox Live is working with 343i to get things fully operational. 343i being the third party in this case.
They knew we'd all just do the trick to stay in the pelican at the start of the level to skip the first part.
Blue Ninja
Member
Lol, dat disconnect between cutscenes and gameplay sometimes. Beginning of Sacred Icon and it's a clear day, but as soon as the game starts it's night. :lol
I absolutely adore the work Blur did for these cutscenes, but I honestly wished they would've been kept in-engine.
I absolutely adore the work Blur did for these cutscenes, but I honestly wished they would've been kept in-engine.
lol
That's actually the case in the original game as well IIRC; the level is darker than the initial cutscene simply because the starting part of the initial cutscene comes in from a high angle; where the Sun is present.
wow...4 studios? that's a lot of people working on this collection.
anyway, I'm glad they are working on this.
I'll give it a week before I traded-in...maybe use it towards GTA V or FH2.
I didn't say 'is', I said 'was'. For awhile there was no online play whatsoever. His point was that with Halo there may not be dedicated servers, but at least when they're down you get P2P.
Absolutely sickening!
Miles Quaritch
Member
Months/years.
That's not an exaggeration at all.
That's not an exaggeration at all.
I've had 100% faith in 343 Industries ever since they took over the Halo name many years ago, and I LOVE Halo 4, but I'll be shocked if the Halo: MCC is fixed before the end of the year. There's just countless problems
Making games on this level is hard work. You can't catch every bug, and there are things that are hard to test or plan for. A beta might have resolved some of that, but nobody can say for certain without knowing the innards of the project and XBL if it would have. I'm not going to pretend I know one way or the other but I do know it's hard work.
Additionally, I will say as a software developer (in a different field), that bugs absolutely are the bane of our existence. Especially in production. I've introduced bugs into my code, and when I don't catch it, the QA people don't catch it, but the customer does, I/we feel terrible. I can imagine that the guys at 343 that worked on this game feel the same damn way. You can call it ass kissing or whatever, but I know that it's not easy, and bugs are going to happen no matter how many god-tier engineers you have. So yeah it sucks that the game got out with these bugs, but take a goddamn step back and let them try and resolve it. Nobody died as a result of this release, so it's not a big deal. Once it's fixed I'm sure you can recoup that massive investment you put into the console and the game.
thunker 9000
Member
You are a good man Stinkles. Thank you.