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Microsoft's indie developer's still haven't got their September payments.
- Thread starter H1PSTER
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..yes?
That's his answer to pretty much everything. I'm glad he's aware of it now, though.
Your seething sarcasm comes across as amazingly arrogant, and I don't think you're going to last very long. Acting like a jackass on here, for no reason, and especially when you're speaking from a position of total ignorance, doesn't reflect well on you.
Yes, this is interesting. There has to be some sort of ramification for late payments. Can any of the indie devs on here provide some insight on if there were any such items in the contract?
XBLIG sale stats are regularly frozen or sometimes disappear in a black hole for weeks, I stopped paying attention to it a long time ago.
Lys Skygge
Member
I personally haven't had a big company screw me...but I've had friends chase money from big companies for weeks before getting paid. It's sad how big corporations think they can walk allover the little guy.
Let's hope one day you don't have experience the same circumstances with your pay.
fastford58
Member
Hey look, the shitty business practice defense force! Awesome!
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Deleted member 20920
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That doesn't sound good at all, especially so when you're selling digital products that should be easily traceable and difficult to account forbon your end since there's nothing physical to account for. How are you even sure that the amount you sold is actually accurate if you can't trust the system to give the stats? Do you have such problems with Sony, Nintendo and Steam, if you have games on their services and if you can comment?
Mister Ribs
Banned
Judging from the response to my original post in this thread, this isn't an environment I'm interested in posting in anyway. Good day to you sirs!
Ambition
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I think you need to reflect on what you said before you comment on what sort of environment this is.
Anuson.Phan
Banned
Theres a defense force for everything i swear it..
Nice snark there...
I've worked at one of the larger credit management/information companies for quite some years. This is par for the course. They're banking on these small devs swallowing everything because they don't have money to lawyer up. Basically if a company like MS is one day late, you should immediately send reminder invoices and threaten legal action / enlisting a collection agency. And even then they're calculating only a few go to court and they make enough interest off the rest. But the moment lawsuits are being fought for a few dollars, credit information agencies know what's up.
I'm really not surprised by this at all. I stopped developing xblig games over a year ago now, due to the way myself and many others were treated by Microsoft. It took them over 18 months to pay me. I ended up having to threaten them with legal action before they took notice. And believe it or not, that was only the tip of the iceburg in regards to my issues with them.
Obviously I don't have such issues with Steam.
You haven't said anything even remotely of value. Good riddance.
Yekshemesh
Member
Yup, this is the same as Major Nelson's; "I bring it up with the team" response. Canned response to hard questions.
Aaronrules380
Member
So is there even a reason Microsoft has to give them all their share of the sales at once on a quarterly basis? As opposed to programming the digital shop so that any purchase made automatically gets divided and sent to the proper people? I can understand with physical shops and media where you'd need time to compile the information and it's not all just code, but I can't imagine that it would be that difficult to set up a digital shop so that the money is automatically distributed as per contract, especially if it's part of a standardized program where all devs have the same contract
Sorry we didn't provide an adequate environment for your corporate defense. These billion dollar conglomerates just don't have enough representation nowadays! I would suggest a career in business law. I'm sure one of them could use your help defending tax evasion, waste dumping or some other such misunderstood practice.
It's even worse when big companies have, say, a 45 day pay period cycle, where they pay out all their contact work every 45 days. And they miss a payment and tell you they can't cut a check for another 45 days due to their cycle.
Suddenly one missed pay period and I found myself without pay for 135 days. That was absolute madness and it came from one of the biggest business solution companies on the planet.
He has a point. There's no need to accept shitty business practices for the sake of the almighty competition. The problem with so many people is that they allow their obsessions to get control of their ability to not take shit. Things tend to work themselves out. Nature does it and so can we.
The thing about courts is that you need lawyers. For an indie developer, that's money out of pocket. For Microsoft, it's employees on your payroll. It's just not going to happen.
Japanmanx3
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Biggu Bosu
Banned
But Phil spencer wore a limbo shirt guys, he's one of us
This is kinda fucked up, very disrespectful and amateurish of MS.
Really sorry to hear that.
Really sorry to hear that.
Good day to you...
It varies from work place to work place. I did work for hisd in Houston once and they operated on 90 days.
Thing is, you're supposed to know that policy up front to let your contact work budget around said periods. If I'm expecting pay in 30 days and its not coming for 90, I'm probably going to be living poor for a bit.
Mr Moose
Member
90 days late?
This is exactly where its most disgusting. Unless you can somehow get an interest free loan, you're actually losing money on their fuck up.
Except they are not working for your company.
He's refering to a pay period cycle. Which has nothing to do with this topic, actually. This is about them missing payments, not a long cycle.
Quadraphonic
Member
Yeah. That's NET 60, NET 90. Common business things, but this is like tacking on an extra 3 weeks to NET 90.
That's fucked up.
Purple Cheeto
Member
XBLIG has always been an awful program. I'm surprised people are still trying to make money from it.
Pretty sure you owe me a new keyboard. Gonna have to spend some time cleaning Dr Pepper out of this one now.
Huh... I would hope most employees would be looking for another employer if they didn't get paid for almost two months. ONLY?
Sylverstone14
Member
Let the church say Amen.
How so? Wasn't this payment for the september sales?
Agreed. If the payment terms were agreed upon before hand then you have to respect them.