Same. I fully believe its the best looking 3DS title so far, and its everything I could have ever hoped for from a remaster of the grestest game ever made
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New Majora's Mask 3DS vs N64 side by side graphics comparison
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Same. I fully believe its the best looking 3DS title so far, and its everything I could have ever hoped for from a remaster of the grestest game ever made
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That's true in some cases but I think it comes down to the viewer. And the fact that you were younger, I remember the original RE3 being much scarier looking than it actually does now that I'm an adult who has better eyes and a smarter mind that can see the flaws.I think the problem usually ends up being better graphics = less imagination.
You had to use your mind a bit in older games. I'd say most horror games were scarier with crappier graphics simply because they were so obscure, I'd end up projected unholy thoughts onto every creepy thing I saw.
Human paranoia/imagination took up a chunk of the experience. That's basically why it's not going to be good enough for a lot of people.
nkarafo
Member
Even though i prefer the original in some cases, i actually like this scene in the remake more. Its one of the "good" changes in my mind. But that doesn't mean all the changes are for the better. I think we have the freedom to disagree with some choices the developer makes. Yes, he is the almighty dev who decides what must be done. But that doesn't mean we have to agree with everything he does. And if i'm not allowed to disagree as a simple gamer/consumer, because i don't know better, at least as an artist myself i do have my own opinions on things like that.Yes they can, in fact, we now have the technology to more accurately render one because the hardware is much better and flexible. Also don't think anyone should talk about artist intentions when the devs of the remake are much more likely to have discussed these things with the original devs and concept themselves for hours on end during the development cycle about how it should look, what should be added, what should look similar but with higher texture quality etc., especially since they aren't entirely limited by the tech compared to back then. It's no coincidence that not some things look the same and some things don't and I find it disrespectful to the devs and original artists to tell them that no they're wrong and that everything should look the same but with higher quality textures when some scenes clearly benefit from added effects, like the original foggy forest scene now actually looking like an actual foggy forest.
Wanna know why it does? Because of better technology, using better technology is not a bad thing by any means and i'm positive that the devs are grateful that they have it at their disposal.
This is amazing and so true, haha
Aonuma directed Majoras Mask. He can do whatever changes he wants for his remaster.
TheCongressman1
Member
Man, all the visual tweaks they made are great. Looks really nice.
This has always been a hard game to get into for me, but I'm really excited to play it finally.
This has always been a hard game to get into for me, but I'm really excited to play it finally.
nkarafo
Member
Ugh, of course he can. Did i say he can't? I can't follow you.
If I could make one adjustment I'd make the moon rounder like the original
http://i.imgur.com/IvikELK.gif
But that's me being really nitpicky, I love the new overall look.
http://i.imgur.com/IvikELK.gif
But that's me being really nitpicky, I love the new overall look.
TheCongressman1
Member
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
I mean... yes, it looks more like the moon now, but at the same time.. is it really supposed to be "the moon?" Does the moon in the world of Majora's Mask have a friggin face on it? Is it a tiny little satellite that's barely larger than Clock Town? Is there a whole insane dimension inside of it? Or is this a giant space-face summoned by Majora from the void?
I don't really remember if the people in the game talk about it like "oh it's just the moon, it might be comin down la la," or if they are like "what is this fucking thing in the sky." I feel like maybe it's the former, which is really weird, because it should probably be the latter.
It's the former. Some residents give the impression they may be able to see the face. Majority of them do not notice anything different at all.
I personally assume that everything Majora posesses is a reflection of your inner fears. What we/link see in the world including the moon's face may not be what the other NPCs see.
What the heck is a "classic feel"?
I always assumed it was created by Majora, not the true moon. And a lot of NPCs can tell there is something off about it and can feel the impending doom.
But goht now looks exactly like the original artwork
Playing it on N64.
I dunno, I think his face looks off. Less menacing.
As opposed to the shitty smear fest mess he was on the N64? That was likely your mind making up for the loss of detail there.
Maybe. I need to replay it on N64 again.
No. You really shouldnt.
How is it even an option when the superior 3DS version is out soon? Unless you enjoy regular dips past 10fps and a blurry, shitty IQ.
Just play the 3DS version.
I swear this is just like when people refused to move on from pan and scan vhs to 16:9 dvd, its mind boggling.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
You can disagree with the dev but the "artist intention" argument is used as if no discussion with the original developers was had at all. Which is odd because the game has the same director as the original. And also the arguments about how new tech is a bad thing, you seem to have some type of stigma against better graphical tech that can show off an artist's ideas way more than the tech we had ten years ago when it's the opposite situation from the place of a dev.
Christopher
Member
You need a new sarcasm meter. I'm making fun of the original comparison comparing 2 different times
Well it wasn't very funny of clever seeing some of the stupid complainants in this thread
nkarafo
Member
So let me get this straight. The guy said that he doesn't like the new moon face and Goht. And you reply to him that he is wrong because the new Goht looks like the original artwork. And that's fine.It's not even a contest -- the 3DS version has the superior Goht.
For reference, here's the official art:
Here's the 3DS version:
Here's the N64 version:
But in the original artwork, the moon looks exactly like the one in the N64 version. But they changed that too and basically the new 3DS moon face looks nothing like the original artwork. So what gives? Should we hold the original artwork like the "correct" one or not? I'm confused.
I never implied that better tech isn't good. I even said that i like the new intro better than the original. My main problem is with artistic changes that don't have much to do with tech, like how the new moon looks like a Halloween mask to scare little kids, instead of a huge celestial object with an ominous face on it. Also, in the original artwork that we respect so much, the moon has the same look as in the N64 version, so there's that too.
Not saying he can't have his own opinion. Just giving my opinion that it's not even a contest.
Also, me bringing up Goht's art is to show how there are like a billion details accounted for in the 3DS model that were never seen in the N64 model.
The moon, meanwhile, is re-imagined. It's not like N64 Goht where they clearly -tried- to capture the detail and failed, resulting in something that looks like... well, a poop smudge.
Bring on the remake!
nkarafo
Member
That's a bit hyperbolic. Isn't the VC version 480p? Shouldn't have worse IQ than the 3DS version. Also, the NTSC version is 20fps. PAL version is bad at 17fps but then again, PAL versions of any game is bad and shouldn't exist.
Resolution doesnt mean shit with N64 games, the issue is with the horrendously limited texture cache, lack of blending in fog and other effects and the graphics filtering which blurs everything in order to cover the stretched textures due to the limited cache
And 20fps max is still shit, especially when it drops to below 10fps in boss battles and in scenes such as those with black boes in Woodfall temple and white boes in Snowhead
Proof as I tested using the PAL version and FRAPS:
16fps max during any 3D or gameplay.
the save menu seems to run at around 50fps, oddly.
inventory runs at 24fps. right where framerate is most important!!
larger areas - uh oh
aw shit...and those are tests from scenes where fuck all is going on.
Anyone who willingly prefers to play the N64 version over the 3DS one needs their head looking at. Period. I think OOT3D alone proved that much.
If a new design looks like the original artwork, I am happy. Two things I've noticed so far that I really don't like however are the Moon's goofy new face, and some of the boss recolorings. I generally hate recoloring, and that's especially true with this game. Gyorg's new color scheme is really bothering me... He should be purple.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
Gyorg looks infinitely better in the 3DS version. It's the lighting of the battle that bothers me.
Bill Rizer
Member
Everything was brown in the original!!! ©
Gyorg looks infinitely better in the 3DS version. It's the lighting of the battle that bothers me.
His model definitely looks better (though I'm still not sure where I stand regarding the giant eyeballs on bosses), but I seriously wish they kept his color the same. Like I said, staying true to the original artwork is what I was hoping for.
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nkarafo
Member
Nice one Richie.
Now test the NTSC version. Nobody wants to play a crappy PAL rom.
Now test the NTSC version. Nobody wants to play a crappy PAL rom.
Its funny how the N64 version turns out to be closer to the original art, in general, as new posts show.
Resolution doesnt mean shit with N64 games, the issue is with the horrendously limited texture cache, lack of blending in fog and other effects and the graphics filtering which blurs everything in order to cover the stretched textures due to the limited cache
And 20fps max is still shit, especially when it drops to below 10fps in boss battles and in scenes such as those with black boes in Woodfall temple and white boes in Snowhead
Proof as I tested using the PAL version and FRAPS:
16fps max during any 3D or gameplay.
the save menu seems to run at around 50fps, oddly.
inventory runs at 24fps. right where framerate is most important!!
larger areas - uh oh
aw shit...and those are tests from scenes where fuck all is going on.
Anyone who willingly prefers to play the N64 version over the 3DS one needs their head looking at. Period. I think OOT3D alone proved that much.
It all depends on how good the gameplay in the remake ends up being. We can't say for certain which is the better game yet. All they changed in OoT 3D was the graphics, the framerate, a single cutscene, a line of NPC diologue, and they added an optional hint system and an optional boss rush.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
His model definitely looks better (though I'm still not sure where I stand regarding the giant eyeballs on bosses), but I seriously wish they kept his color the same. Like I said, staying true to the original artwork is what I was hoping for.
I like the change here. Specifically, I like that they made his head a different color. In the original art, it's not clear whatsoever that it's a "masked" fish. It just looks like his head. The new scheme differentiates the face from the body, I can believe there's actually a mask there now.
I'm all for matching the original art when it's appropriate, but there are some instances where they can absolutely be improved to convey things better.
nkarafo
Member
In situations where the frame rate is low (below 20fps) a 3 fps difference is enough to make the game tolerable. And this comes from someone who can't play racing games @ 30fps. But Zelda is a slower paced game so its playable at that frame rate.
But yes, the frame rate of the 3DS version definitely makes the game more pleasing. Too bad that i personally prefer to play atmospheric heavy games on the big screen with my 5.1 system. The tiny handheld screen don't do much for me in these cases. I guess i need to have my head examined.
I always thought Link cut off his head and kept it with him. I mean, it's called Gyorg's remains, not Gyorg's mask.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
"Gargantuan Masked Fish," it's right there on the title card.
I always thought it was just there to connect him to the other bosses, since he clearly didn't have a mask on.
StraySheep
Banned
Other than the purple which doesn't bother me as much I agree with you. I guess I am just going to have to wait until the game comes out and play it before I make any serious judgments. I have a feeling the moon is going to look better on a 3DS screen than it does in videos, because God Bless the people at Nintendo who have to try to put together impressive looking trailers of 3DS games.
But you are totally right about Link.
nkarafo
Member
They also allowed you to change items via the touch screen so you didn't have to pause in order to change your boots, for instance, making the whole procedure faster and the Water Temple more tolerable. That was a big one.
N64 games make for the best remakes. Perfect Dark on 360, Conker on xbx, Majora and OOT, Star Fox 64. While they are at it we should get a retooled Turok trilogy, DK64, Sin and Punishment, Castlevania 64, newer remakes of Diddy Kong Racing, Banjo, Mario 64
After all of the Nintendo and xbx properties get remade the should release hd packs called the 64 collection.
After all of the Nintendo and xbx properties get remade the should release hd packs called the 64 collection.
Gyorg looks infinitely better in the 3DS version. It's the lighting of the battle that bothers me.
That is the scariest looking creature possible.
Snkfanatic
Banned
Man some of these comparisons are really hyping me up to get this.