HP_Wuvcraft
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Eh, I liked the ending.
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The Order 1886: Official spoiler thread for all black bars
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The ending/final boss is that bad? Are we talking Mass Effect 3-tier bad? (If possible, could the reasons why it is bad be communicated without discussing plot details?)
EDIT: I understand from previous discussion that the game
EDIT: I understand from previous discussion that the game
ends on a cliffhanger, but the way some people are reacting it sounds like there's more to it than just that which makes it bad.
TheStruggler
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whats with devs lately having
, have they forgot how to make a game or get lazy and say "ah fuck it"
the final boss battles as qte
ArkkAngel007
Member
It's...the writing seems a bit off, especially from one character. Dialogue, that makes sense, comes off as a cliche to those types of situations in entertainment.
Can't really call the fight much of a boss fight. Which isn't an issue for me, but I know some people keep hoping for the return of traditional boss battles.
Definitely not Halo 4 or ME3 bad though. I'd say it's...unremarkable. Not great, not bad. Presentation is good, but the writing at that bit isn't so much, so unremarkable. Doesn't help that it's anticlimactic.
It's not a factor of laziness. It's that often the way they want to present a fight can't be done with the gameplay mechanics. I would like to see boss battles make a resurgence if done well rather than be mere sponges with gimmicks, but in some cases at traditional fight won't work.
The only lazy thing about this is the lazy devs excuse.
Hatty
Member
most of the developers in the industry seem to be dropping boss fights all together. QTE seems to be how they can get the climax across without having to build an interesting enemy to fight
I see, sounds reasonable enough. It's somewhat disappointing to learn that the writing will go a bit off towards the end, but I guess it's always good to keep my expectations in check and be prepared for these kinds of issues.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Yeah, which I guess seems to be characteristic of a lot of games (and films) that leave off without a definitive ending.
Always-honest
Banned
Just woke up. Checking The Order threads.
So who the fuck is a liar here? Some people say it has way more gameplay than most tps with cutscenes and it's 12 hours long, some people say it's 80% cutscenes and 5 hours long.
What in the flying fuck? What's so hard about being honest?
I'm now back from day one to waiting after reviews. Too bad we can't even rely on gaffers anymore.
So who the fuck is a liar here? Some people say it has way more gameplay than most tps with cutscenes and it's 12 hours long, some people say it's 80% cutscenes and 5 hours long.
What in the flying fuck? What's so hard about being honest?
I'm now back from day one to waiting after reviews. Too bad we can't even rely on gaffers anymore.
Graphics Horse
Member
The 12 hrs / 24 chapters claims were bollocks from what I can see. Not 80% cutscenes and 5 hours long either. (6 hours might be accurate but I've not seen the whole thing)
CassidyIzABeast
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2 chapters still need to be accounted for but the current playtime for the Prologue + chapters 1-13 is 05:01:37
That's without inspecting the notes/papers/pictures or picking up any of the audio logs
If you remove the chapters that are almost exclusively cutscenes the playtime is 04:03:01
Unless those next 2 chapter are OD long, his claim of 5 hours and some change seems to be accurate.
That's without inspecting the notes/papers/pictures or picking up any of the audio logs
If you remove the chapters that are almost exclusively cutscenes the playtime is 04:03:01
Unless those next 2 chapter are OD long, his claim of 5 hours and some change seems to be accurate.
ArkkAngel007
Member
Just woke up. Checking The Order threads.
So who the fuck is a liar here? Some people say it has way more gameplay than most tps with cutscenes and it's 12 hours long, some people say it's 80% cutscenes and 5 hours long.
What in the flying fuck? What's so hard about being honest?
I'm now back from day one to waiting after reviews. Too bad we can't even rely on gaffers anymore.
I don't know where that 12 hours even came from.
Anyway, the play through that is being talked about we're missing a chapter for and played on normal, and that's all we really know. Seems to also be just gunning through everything too, so no collectibles or anything like that being seen to really.
Based on the total from the youtube videos so far in the walkthrough, it's 4.5 hours long with little to no exploration or interaction with objects around the scenes/characters, not sure which difficulty mode and that's the ending battle + Chapter 1 to 13 and the title of 14
Depends how many chapters there are and the remaining length.
Depends how many chapters there are and the remaining length.
Always-honest
Banned
Chapter 5 is the blimp level? That one is at least some amount of gameplay.
Seriously wtf?
This game is starting to sound like the AAA industry hitting rock bottom fucking hell.......
This sounds like far worse then max paynes 3 campaign cutscene/gameplay ratio without the best ever gunplay and a MP.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Chapter 5 is on his channel it just got flagged for copyright by some other youtuber. It clocked in at 34:27
Graphics Horse
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There's a German channel with the Zeppelin in spread over a few videos, it's about 35 minutes mostly gameplay.
I think how I was looking at the videos on youtube just then it didn't show up because it's been flagged. Add that to that total too.
-MD-
Member
Yeah I noticed that too.
Welcome to current gen! A pile of disappointment. My money's on bloodbourne then it's game over until crackdown. Just give me starfox and zelda asap please. Hopefully platinum might be allowed to go for it with scalebound. Uncharted just has to be good but this has to be the worsed start to a generation ever? Surely.
Talk about overreaction...
zorlaczerohero
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CassidyIzABeast
Member
Chapter 14 is up and its fucking 5 minutes and 32 seconds.
NavyPharaoh
Member
The youtube videos that are the bible on the Order 1886 is missing chapter 5, along with 14-18. So it's missing a total of 6 chapters. We don't know how long the game is right now, chill. It's Longer than four hours, all he Uncharted games come in around 10 hours, expect something close to this than 4.
Probably about 50/50. Also, Max Payne 3 is one of the games that it most resembles. This almost certainly has more cutscenes, but it also seems to have better pacing.
Graphics Horse
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If the game is 12 hours long I'm guessing Chapter 15 must be half the game. ¯\_(ツ
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_/¯Net_Wrecker
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I know this is a spoiler thread, but I'm not here looking for spoilers, just some info from people who have seen a lot (or the entire thing) or have beaten the game.
What's the gameplay pacing like? Are there lengthy stretches where the game leaves you alone to explore and shoot with the pace swaying back and forth seamlessly, or is the entire game as we've seen it in the demos so far with cutscene and contextual interruptions after every major event, and "down time" being very clearly sectioned off from the action? Basically, would I be walking into another Max Payne 3 where ~40% of a normal playthrough is some kind of cutscene, or does it come across like a game that actually lets you play and get comfortable moving your protagonist through environments naturally? I've been seeing chatter of multiple chapters containing only a 5 minute cutscene- how true is this and does that happen frequently?
Remember, I don't want any real spoilers, just some indication of what kind of game we're dealing with here.
What's the gameplay pacing like? Are there lengthy stretches where the game leaves you alone to explore and shoot with the pace swaying back and forth seamlessly, or is the entire game as we've seen it in the demos so far with cutscene and contextual interruptions after every major event, and "down time" being very clearly sectioned off from the action? Basically, would I be walking into another Max Payne 3 where ~40% of a normal playthrough is some kind of cutscene, or does it come across like a game that actually lets you play and get comfortable moving your protagonist through environments naturally? I've been seeing chatter of multiple chapters containing only a 5 minute cutscene- how true is this and does that happen frequently?
Remember, I don't want any real spoilers, just some indication of what kind of game we're dealing with here.
You're missing 4 chapters, not 2. There are 18 chapters including the epilogue and prologue. And if you're playing the game without doing any of the other stuff, that's akin to a speed run. I don't get why anyone would play it like that unless they basically intentionally wanted to rush through it.
As I mentioned before, you can complete Gears of War in an hour and a half, doesn't mean that's how much gameplay there is. Likewise with Uncharted at 1 hour, or Resident Evil 4 at 1 hour and a half too.
Graphics Horse
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I don't think anyone's attempting speed runs yet. Ch 15 and Epilogue is all that seems to be absent from Youtube.
CassidyIzABeast
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As far as I can tell he wasn't speerunning the game. Those Uncharted and Gears times are with glitches, skips, or completely running pass enemies to the next checkpoint to de-load them. None of that happens here.
Orniletter
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Hmm, so like MGS4 ?
I really dont think so. The ps3 was a poor start but it had uncharted 1 after a year didnt it?
I just think this gen is poor so far. That's just me maybe.nothing special at all so far
To be fair, it's a lot less stupid than Metal Gear Solid 4. I haven't seen a character breakdance with giant robots tied to his feet.
Even without the glitches they can be speed run super fast. Doesn't mean it's indicative of the amount of gameplay there is in those games.
And I get that it isn't an actual speed run. I'd imagine an Order speedrun will be close to TPS before it. I only meant akin to, in the sense that it's still missing out a pretty important and time consuming part of the game. You have these beautifully designed and rendered articles, objects, items etc that give you additional exposition, more information about the narrative, the world around you and so on, I don't see why one would consider a play through that completely omits observing any of these, as anything typical or noteworthy when trying to calculate potential game time.
This is from the Youtube video that is making the rounds, so grain of salt and all that, but the pacing is like a more cutscene-heavy version of a Naughty Dog game insofar as the rhythm is cutscene-gunfight-light puzzle-cutscene-gunfight-light platforming section-cutscene-gunfight-cutscene, etc. The puzzle/platforming/exploration stuff seems less robust than in a Naughty Dog game though. It is similar to Max Payne 3 in that there seem to be more constraints than in any recent ND game as far as level and encounter design and the cutscenes are a little more intrusive. Think Naughty Dog-lite mixed with MP3 and you're on the right track. Also, yeah, there are a number of 5 minute cutscenes, although none are Kojima length.
the_batman
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how else do you propose Raiden should've gotten rid of the gekko?
Graphics Horse
Member
Zandatsu obvs.
the_batman
Banned
his arms and legs were restrained.
Not really, as I don't think any of the cutscenes last for more than 10 minutes or so. So while the overall percentage might be similar (I bowed out of MGS4 somewhere in the middle so can't fully speak to it) the cutscenes are much more digestible in this game.
Graphics Horse
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Net_Wrecker
Member
While not unexpected, I can't say that's not still incredibly disappointing. With unskippable cutscenes as well.....*sigh*.
Don't know if the aesthetics and tech alone are worth the asking price at this point.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
There is a big NSFW scene in the game. Just youtube it, I won't post a link for it here. It is spoiler free but clearly very adult themed.