flipswitch
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I'm really pleased with how quickly your game loads from the menu, it gets you straight into the game in a matter of seconds.
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The Order: 1886 |OT| Gears of Yore
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Rogue_Ledr
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That is not "the hard way" It is a case of selecting the right tool for the job. There is not a single reason to hand animate realistic non stylized human motion which is one of the most time consuming things to animate. It is not doable on a game that has some 3+ hours of cutscenes. It simply doesn't make financial sense.
shinobi602
Member
Chapter 4 was my favorite (
the hospital). The sense of suspense and dread that I got while going further inside, encountering the elder Lycan, playing cat and mouse, fighting it, Izzie getting hurt...the atmosphere was so thick you could cut it with a knife. And the music during all of it...so good. Loved it.
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
Chapter 4 had the best atmosphere in any game this generation so far, one of the best in any game.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Question did anyone else feel the game healing aspect was useless ?
I played the game on hard with aim assist off and the only time i need to heal was vs shotgun guys .
But they kill you to fast for it to even matter .
I played the game on hard with aim assist off and the only time i need to heal was vs shotgun guys .
But they kill you to fast for it to even matter .
Oddvintagechap
Member
I bought the game, full price.. Should have preordered it. Could have played it on the weekend.
WordsintheWater
Member
I like that they actually tried to implement it in combat, I got to use it a few times, but out of the 10 times I died I probably got to the blackwater 4 times.
-epidemic-
Neo Member
Finished last night, I thought it was a solid 8/10.
I didn't mind the length and liked the story.
I also enjoyed most of the weapons especially the
I didn't mind the length and liked the story.
I also enjoyed most of the weapons especially the
thermite gun and that one Isi was using in chapter 3 (one you had to charge up) and you use later on.
flipswitch
Member
I'm currently upto
I take it I'm near the end of the game now?
have to find the guard who has the key to open the gate
Xplatformer
Member
Watched the AngryJoe/Delrith stream of the whole game. I'm not spending $60 on it, but I definitely want my own playthrough for about $30.
Love the setting.
Love the setting.
bananafactory
Banned
About 2 hours. The last bit of the game moves fast
Here's some of my responses to the plot holes you have:
Grayson had just lost a close friend and mentor due to the rebels. Regardless of how much death he saw, losing someone close and dear is going to have an emotional impact. Him seeking vengeance against the rebels doesn't seem too farfetched.
Wasn't the queen expecting Galahad to show up? I think that's why there was so little resistance.
I somewhat agree with this plothole. It would've been more convincing if the queen had given Galahad a small piece of evidence that intrigues/convinces him to come with her to the docks.
There didn't seem to be any other option other than killing the guards. What else, could they do, come back later?
Igraine seeing Galahad conspiring with the rebels and then finding Galahad's uniform is plenty of proof that he had abandoned his cause. It's not like she could have known where he went afterwards.
This reminds me of the Drake being a mass murderer argument. It's a game. Some disbelief needs to be suspended.
I agree with this. I didn't really understand the connection between Alistair and Lord Hastings, other than both being on the Order council. I think it would've made more sense if the Lord Hastings reveal came before the loud shootouts.
At this point of the game, Galahad had little reason to trust the Order anymore. Especially since the beginning, Mallory foreshadowed that "The Order isn't as it once was" and the queen constantly asking if his comrades were to be trusted. And, you know, he got tortured and sentenced to death despite all he learned of the United India Company.
I agree with this. I thought there was going to be a scenario where Galahad convinces Igraine and Lafayette to investigate United India more. That never happened.
Eh, the story plays out in a pretty typical fashion. Dude is part of a group, digs deeper and finds conspiracy, gets betrayed, and then goes rogue.
family_guy
Member
Wow. Finished the game. I have a sour taste in my mouth. Its like Drive Club. Feels like the game was shipped half-finished but it's worse in this case because they won't be updating this game.
Yes, it's probably the single weirdest mechanic in the entire game.
At least it gave me a chance to yell "FIGHT THROUGH THE PAIN" in a Marcus Fenix growl every time it happened.
Helped me a lot with grenades and snipers but you were toast if someone flanked you. I liked how they found at least some way to integrate black water into gameplay instead of just being plot device and that it didn't make the game too easy.
Loved the chapter for its atmosphere and sense of exploring, but
the actual elder Lycan encounter in terms of gameplay left a lot to be desired. I didn't find there to be much cat and mouse "playing" as it was mostly just cutscene transitions and you going from point A to point B without really being chased in real time. Such a missed opportunity to make the Lycan encounter more engaging gameplay-wise.
The man died in combat. This is nothing new. Most war veterans in this day and age are capable of handling such trauma. Let alone centuries old knights. This is melodrama for the sake of it.
My point wasn't that he found the brothel, but that he entered it with no action/drama. In fact, the brothel was completely empty for no apparent reason. Quite convenient no?
He doesn't discover any of this until much later.
Wait, so now that we can't answer a plot hole, it's the old "just a video game" defense? Then why bother trying to explain anything? Might as well use that against all plot holes.
We shouldn't be doing RAD's job of explaining this right?
This was already a stealth mission. How about non-lethal takedowns? Or full on stealth of a different kind where he enters undetected?
Framing him was circumstantial improvisation. Killing him was the easier route. Galahad went to the palace to find evidence. It was a recon mission. Not an assassination mission. Again, you just came up with an explanation that RAD never bothered doing.
Why bother risking everything Alistair and Hastings had planned, just to frame one guy? What if Galahad actually killed Hastings? What if the queen killed hastings? What if Alistair died in the line of fire? The framing wasn't part of the plan all along. It just happened and they made use of it when the opportunity presented itself.
Realistically he'll find another way to get in. Not storm through heavily guarded chambers all guns blazing. The funny part is he didn't even have a weapon till Devi said he needs one.
Galahad isn't aware of that. All he knows is that they think he is guilty, because he never presented his case. May be presenting his case would work?
What? We are talking about saving the Order and potentially the world. So Galahad was concerned about risking their reputation but not about murdering his own people? These are knights who would give their lives for justice. To think they can't be reasoned with is a weak defense.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Just finished the game. Final thoughts.
Sigh.
Here's what the game does right:
- Atmosphere. Few games nail the sense of place and time as well as The Order: 1886. The superb visuals, combined with the splendid art direction, do the best job I've seen yet this generation of putting you square in a place and time. It's absolutely phenomenal, from both an artistic and technical standpoint. RAD deserves accolades for that.
- Sound is phenomenal. Jason Graves' soundtrack hits all the right notes. Very ominous, appropriately foreboding at times, emotional at others. Good stuff. The sound design in the game is really good too. Gunshots sound so, so satisfying. Voice actors are splendid across the board.
- Galahad. I love this dude. I hope we get another Order game simply cause I wanna spend more time with Galahad. Fantastic performance on the part of Steve West.
- Very, very deliberate game design. This is a plus and minus. I do appreciate that what they were genuinely trying is a truly cinematic game. It's difficult for games to do good, slow dialogue scenes, and cut scenes are the only alternative. To The Order's credit, they are well-handled and directed.
Here's what the game does wrong:
- The ending. In that, it does not have an ending. It is essentially (massive spoilers):
It leaves multiple plot threads and sub-plots in the air. This is how you DO NOT HANDLE the ending of the first game in a new IP ever. For a game and a team that tries to make their game this cinematic and puts this much effort into creating a new and unique universe and put this much effort in the writing, it is just incredibly baffling that they would end it like this. They ended it at the fucking second act! I was fucking livid, especially because I was genuinely loving the story and characters up to this point. But after
, it starts feeling like character assassinations and random plot shit out of nowhere. What the hell, RAD? How'd you drop the ball so fucking hard here when you were doing such a fantastic job with the tale before that?
You should have followed the Christopher Nolan Narrative Rule: Throw every good idea you have for your story onto the screen. Blow your load. Don't save anything for the sequel in that way.
- Level design leaves much to be desired. Fuck shotgunners. There needs to be a better way to integrate narrative cutscenes, QTEs, and gunplay/traversal/exploration. The dialogue heavy narrative scenes are necessary to tell the story, I definitely think so, but there must be another way.
- Too much squandered potential when it comes to the setting. Lycan encounters are not interesting, didn't use the Tesla tech as well as they should have, branching melee felt more like an after thought, etc.
- Stealth levels are stuck in 2003.
So...
Look, I appreciate this game as an experiment in narrative, cause that's what it essentially is. It's a narrative experiment embedded in a tech demo. It impressed the hell out of me in a lot of ways. But boy, that ending really left a sour taste in my mouth. It's very slow, very deliberately paced, which I like. I think there is a way to make a game slow and deliberately paced without having to resort to this many QTEs and cutscenes in the middle of gameplay though. I loved the slow dialogue scenes, but if you're in the middle of the level, I saw no place here where you couldn't keep control of Galahad as it happened.
That said, QTEs aren't a bad thing. They can be used effectively.
Would I play a sequel to The Order? In a fucking heartbeat. And I don't regret purchasing and playing this game. I see potential in the future.
But yeah, the ending was so crap. They have a great base here, but they need more care with how they handle these characters in the next one, flesh out proper arcs and resolutions. Better level design and traversal/exploration too.
Sigh.
Here's what the game does right:
- Atmosphere. Few games nail the sense of place and time as well as The Order: 1886. The superb visuals, combined with the splendid art direction, do the best job I've seen yet this generation of putting you square in a place and time. It's absolutely phenomenal, from both an artistic and technical standpoint. RAD deserves accolades for that.
- Sound is phenomenal. Jason Graves' soundtrack hits all the right notes. Very ominous, appropriately foreboding at times, emotional at others. Good stuff. The sound design in the game is really good too. Gunshots sound so, so satisfying. Voice actors are splendid across the board.
- Galahad. I love this dude. I hope we get another Order game simply cause I wanna spend more time with Galahad. Fantastic performance on the part of Steve West.
- Very, very deliberate game design. This is a plus and minus. I do appreciate that what they were genuinely trying is a truly cinematic game. It's difficult for games to do good, slow dialogue scenes, and cut scenes are the only alternative. To The Order's credit, they are well-handled and directed.
Here's what the game does wrong:
- The ending. In that, it does not have an ending. It is essentially (massive spoilers):
the ending of Old Yeller and then cut to black.
Chapter XVI
You should have followed the Christopher Nolan Narrative Rule: Throw every good idea you have for your story onto the screen. Blow your load. Don't save anything for the sequel in that way.
- Level design leaves much to be desired. Fuck shotgunners. There needs to be a better way to integrate narrative cutscenes, QTEs, and gunplay/traversal/exploration. The dialogue heavy narrative scenes are necessary to tell the story, I definitely think so, but there must be another way.
- Too much squandered potential when it comes to the setting. Lycan encounters are not interesting, didn't use the Tesla tech as well as they should have, branching melee felt more like an after thought, etc.
- Stealth levels are stuck in 2003.
So...
Look, I appreciate this game as an experiment in narrative, cause that's what it essentially is. It's a narrative experiment embedded in a tech demo. It impressed the hell out of me in a lot of ways. But boy, that ending really left a sour taste in my mouth. It's very slow, very deliberately paced, which I like. I think there is a way to make a game slow and deliberately paced without having to resort to this many QTEs and cutscenes in the middle of gameplay though. I loved the slow dialogue scenes, but if you're in the middle of the level, I saw no place here where you couldn't keep control of Galahad as it happened.
That said, QTEs aren't a bad thing. They can be used effectively.
Would I play a sequel to The Order? In a fucking heartbeat. And I don't regret purchasing and playing this game. I see potential in the future.
But yeah, the ending was so crap. They have a great base here, but they need more care with how they handle these characters in the next one, flesh out proper arcs and resolutions. Better level design and traversal/exploration too.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Vivek, you've done a shit job of spoiler tags.
Guys, take these arguments to the Spoiler Thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=988658
Guys, take these arguments to the Spoiler Thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=988658
Freezasaurus
Member
It works on armored enemies. The entire point of the secondary function is to make them stumble so you have a few seconds to pump more bullets into them.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Truth is they could have allow you to use it once when ever you wanted and it would still make sense story wise.
Viveks man, you need to spoiler tag that stuff lol. Second post you've been late to spoiler! I think we'll just agree to disagree. I feel like I'm in a Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises thread. People picking apart the narrative on the smallest of details that are mostly as a result of subjective take away.
I just realized it. My God tagging this is a pain in the ass!!! Anyway, I'm out too. My whole day has flown by just debating on this thread. lol
Yeah. I goofed the last few. Too many lines! Sorry. I'm done anyway.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
You made a spoiler discussion thread!
gundamkyoukai
Member
Well you know how it is .
For some people there are small details for others there are huge and ruin a good plot .
I think i would cut RAD some slack if the story was not such a big talking point .
Lol. The irony… I didn't know that when you put something in a quote or list, the spoiler tags stop working unless you do it on each line
I love the story for what is there, at the same time hating the story for what is not there.
I'm completely indifferent to that level.
I'm completely indifferent to that level.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
It's not only that, they failed simple, basic story-telling principles.
I enjoyed it too. The instafail was dumb but it was a brief and easy change of pace.
This. The only reason I focused so much on the story was because I was looking for that last place of refuge after being disappointed on other crucial aspects for the game. And given so much emphasis on the story and story telling, there were just so many basic gaps that we were left to answer on our own. That, in my opinion, is not good story telling. There are basics that should have been covered.
The Xtortionist
Member
Story was fantastic to me in the first half or so of the game. I still enjoyed it in the second half, though it seemed to lose a bit of direction and maybe branched out a bit too much. Then, the ending.
The Order is a masterclass in having setups with no payoffs. We needed a full, complete story in this universe before being jerked around like this.
JudgmentJay
Member
Just finished the game. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would after all the negative reviews. A 65 Metacritic score is about 10 points too low in my opinion. I really liked the story and the graphics were easily the best I've ever seen on a console. Actual gameplay was mediocre, but not bad. I played it on hard and some of the fights were pretty tough. The last major gunfight in particular took me a few tries.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
The video game version of blue balls.
This is Far Cry 3 levels of bad in mishandling narrative and characters, but it's worse because they were doing a fantastic job up until the 2/3 point.
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
What was your score for Dying Light?
8.0. Damn good game, considering I wasn't even going to pick it up at all, until the lucky Gamestop pricing error. Enjoying the basic gameplay mechanics enough, I went for the Platinum Trophy, so I definitely got my money's worth and then some out of it.
shinobi602
Member
I have to disagree with this...there are so many war veterans fucked up in ways you can't imagine. War is terrible. No matter how desensitized Galahad is to war and death, it takes on a different face when it's one of your best friends. It wasn't just any Joe shmoe off the streets, he's been a close friend of Galahad's for centuries....the bonds you build over a time period like that can run truly deep. I mean he's not a machine...
ArkkAngel007
Member
Finished the game a bit earlier today with an 8 1/2 hour completion time on Hard and taking my damn sweet time reading and listening to everything. Just finished up the Platinum by getting the few collectibles I missed due to two easy to miss spots even when looking (Ch. 3 and 9), as well as the Ch.11 ones that are missed when the cutscene triggers from a timer in The Archives.
Will do a proper write up in a bit or sometime tomorrow, but the tl;dr of it is a heavily flawed title that I still recommend.
Will do a proper write up in a bit or sometime tomorrow, but the tl;dr of it is a heavily flawed title that I still recommend.
I'm a war veteran and Galahad's grief seemed believable enough, to me.
I don't disagree with the real world issue of war veterans and PTSD. But we aren't talking about normal human beings here but knights who are jaded by violence and death for centuries. Anyway. Point taken.
Whoa! Did not know that. Proud to know someone who has served!
flipswitch
Member
Love how the light reacts to different types of material.
Game has that CG look at times.
Game has that CG look at times.
I think the takeaway from the ending, is that
they're all traumatized as fuck, given their unusual circumstances
It was basically Galahad losing the only thing he had, at that point. The only thing in a looooooooooooooooong time
Agreed. I can see this being justified now
Yeah, I'd say it'd be a lot more emotional for him due to not only living centuries and seeing people/civilizations rise and fall but also seeing someone who has been with him through that period who is borderline immortal die as well. The game does expect us to empathize with his loss. And it worked for me because it made sense a guy losing his mentor/best friend of hundreds of years would obviously take the death badly. It didn't really need to show us that for it to work.
My only real gripe with the game is that the the collectibles and audio things are terrible. Oh here is a piece of paper with some shit written on it that you can't read, and a random number scribbled on the back. Yay?
Oh here is an audio tube that is literally the evacuation instructions for the airship....why do I give a shit?
Oh right, I don't.
Other than that I really liked the rest of the game.
Oh here is an audio tube that is literally the evacuation instructions for the airship....why do I give a shit?
Oh right, I don't.
Other than that I really liked the rest of the game.