Aaronrules380
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I did. I still don't see how this is that damning for X
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Media Create Sales: Week 19, 2015 (May 4 - May 10)
- Thread starter hiska-kun
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I did. I still don't see how this is that damning for X
Oh I'm sure MS initially expected it to do better, but obviously they have lowered expectation to extremely low number (I see no ads outside of stores still handling XB1).
When XenoX was originally announced I think Nintendo expected bigger sales too, but then lowered it later. However as for this we still have Western market to help it (I hope).
Aaronrules380
Member
Honestly, I'm not convinced that these Xbone sales aren't just excess stock that's been sitting in stores for months
Well if we compare to a successful console the attach rates are all pretty impressive given how low the grand total is.
That said here's the million sellers on the platform: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/software/wiiu.html
Notably things like Donkey Kong and Pikmin 3 and Bayonetta 2 aren't there, which is more the realm of this game.
Now, half that number? It's not impossible, but like I don't think the difference between 300K and 500K is all that meaningful in the grand scheme of things for the type of game this is.
Aaronrules380
Member
I'm assuming he was only talking about consoles, and not portables. Although it still strikes me as odd when it was 360 sales that were in question
Davey Cakes
Member
MK8 chasing that million. So close!
Fixed, thanks
Your assertion is that Xenoblade X is performing notably better than anyone could expect, or even notably at all.
I'm pointing out that there are everyday console games doing about these numbers on PS4, duckroll is pointing out that it's about the same as the last game, other people are pointing out it's doing about the same as you saw with Xbox 360 JRPGs.
The people who bought all these games didn't fall off the face of the earth. There is software crossing the million mark on Wii U in Japan, and the userbase at 2.3 million copies is around where the Vita was when it was having smaller games hit into the 200K+ range to boot.
Even if we just look at the Wii U itself, Pikmin 3 started at 102,188 and ended at 232,313.
Looking at smaller titles to establish a floor, Fatal Frame was a debut of 32,476 and an LTD of 52,360, with Bayonetta 2 doing almost the same. Lego City Undercover had an LTD of 74,734. This isn't miles ahead of them.
The reason you feel you're being made fun of is because there's nothing that's standout about this performance. It's not notably bad. It's not notably good. It's bowling pretty much exactly what people expected.
What platforms are these numbers for? PS3/4?
I wouldn't expect those dudes to own Wii Us personally.
1st Course
Member
Hardware declined from last week. I thought this week is supposed to be the real golden week?
Style Savvy
Minecraft Vita
Code:
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| | Style Savvy 3 | Style Savvy 2 | Difference |
| | [3DS] (2015/04/16)| [3DS] (2012/09/27)| |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|Week| Weekly | LTD | Weekly | LTD | SS3 SS2 |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
| 1 | 55.179| 55.179| 65.908| 65.908| -10.729|
| 2 | 23.724| 78.903| 34.288| 100.196| -21.293|
| 3 | 20.103| 99.007| 22.195| 122.391| -23.384|
| 4 | 21.764| 120.791| 14.282| 136.672| -15.881|
| 5 | | | 11.446| 148.119| |
| 6 | | | 9.699| 157.818| |
| 7 | | | 8.599| 166.416| |
| 8 | | | 6.696| 173.113| |
| 9 | | | 7.364| 180.476| |
| 10 | | | 7.528| 188.005| |
| 11 | | | 11.286| 199.291| |
| 12 | | | 17.179| 216.470| |
|----|---------|---------|---------|---------|--------------|
|Total -| 120.791| -| 381.000| -260.209|
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| | Minecraft PSVita | |
| | [PSV] (2015/03/19)| |
|----|---------|---------|--------------|
|Week| Weekly | LTD | Variation |
|----|---------|---------|--------------|
| 1 | 36.151| 36.151| //|
| 2 | 21.069| 57.220| -42%|
| 3 | 15.880| 73.100| -25%|
| 4 | 11.842| 84.942| -25%|
| 5 | 12.175| 97.117| +3%|
| 6 | 12.667| 109.784| +4%|
| 7 | 16.166| 125.951| +28%|
| 8 | 18.025| 143.976| +12%|
|----|---------|---------|--------------|
|Total -| 143.976| |
-----------------------------------------BadMediaKarma
Banned
So Xenoblade bombed and dropped faster than I realized it would.
To the guy spinning and making this out to be less of a flop than it is idk how you do it.
To the guy spinning and making this out to be less of a flop than it is idk how you do it.
Considering the marketing push in Japan and the surprising amount of Japanese people who seemed to partake in the Testfire I think your estimate might not be that unrealistic.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
And this is why I'm surprised at the amount of people surprised that DQVIII got ported to 3DS.
That was for the eternal optimists.
Being a bear in the modern Japanese market is the true road down easy street.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Definitely wouldn't say XCX was a "flop". It seems to be doing within expectations. But it did have a steeper drop than anticipated.
I think you are the one spinning this. Xenoblade basically just performed exactly as everyone expected. Not a bomb, not a hit.
I wouldn't say that though. It's doing what it can "all thing considered", no more , no less. There's nothing to really discuss here, save the "lol" and bland jokes. It sold consoles, it will sell its low initial shipment without price drop.
Moor-Angol
Banned
above Mario Kart Double Dash (700k), almost around Mario Kart Advance (900k), below all the rest
w/o the bundle probably would have been around DD levels...
ThatStupidLion
Member
man that vita minecraft - keep trucking. I wonder how it selling elsewhere
DBadMediaKarma
Banned
When you have quite a few vita games having higher debuts tho... Even some PS4 games sold better. When will we accept its not doing well? It can barely hit 200k
There are games that sell really well, omg.
Poetic.Injustice
Member
Truly dreadful sales for Xenoblade.
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
I expected less than 100k, so I'm pretty okay with this.
Puzzle & Dragons has been moved all the way down to #4 on the Japanese top grossing charts, this time due to Square Enix (Dragon Quest) and Namco Bandai (One Piece).
I'm not sure the last time this has happened. Might actually be a few years.
I still see P & D being played in commuter train every day. I wonder who will be next giant that can "overwrite" the current champion.
Mario Jump, of course.
I feel like we need a weekly mobile ranking chart to partner with this data going forward. I'd be interested in the interplay because there's a lot of problems. I don't think mobile could have supplanted the entire market, it just doesn't cover enough of the same ground, but there's probably part of the picture there.
I forgot that WWHD did over a million, and I guess I took the attach rates of the Mario games for granted since it would have been extremely worrying if those didn't sell well.
Then again, I would have expected something like Lego City and DKCTP to be among the lines of something the userbase would be buying. X's opening was more or less what I expected, but I didn't it expect to drop so much for the second week.
Moor-Angol
Banned
Currently P&D and Monster Strike spend a lot of time trading the #1 spot, but P&D is no longer so unassailable that other games can't top it.
Similarly in the West we see Game of War overtaking Clash of Clans from time to time.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Goodness gracious what a terrible week...
Right, while there are certainly individual things to discuss, my immediate whole picture reaction to these results were that they were astonishingly terrible, especially given what time it was.
ToV on 360 was definitely not putting up the normal numbers for the series, which was the point I was trying to get across.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
It's doing about as much as the original Xenoblade release. How is that a "flop"? I guess every single western and small budget Japan title is also a "flop", if we go by your bizarre standard of only comparing LTD, and not doing the reasonable thing of setting expectations?
I'll update my graphs for this week later today, I totally forgot last week!
It can you only go up from here!
It can you only go up from here!
Do we know if this is because the average spend on the top games is decreasing or the ones below it are increasing to the same level? That is, the top line is moving up or down?
Astral Dog
Member
Poor Xenoblade :'(
At least it did better than Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101 combined.
At least it did better than Bayonetta 2 and Wonderful 101 combined.
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
It's difficult to gauge exact numbers for mobile since we don't get hard numbers for anything, only guesses based on correlating rank with IR reports and using download rank metrics from GooP.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
I mean an almost 80% drop to Puzzle Dragons Mario, and software results across the board being quite poor - it's quite bad.
Furthermore, there are almost 19 million 3DS' shipped in Japan in Nintendo's Q4 and hardware results are also weak, even in GW, quite bleak.
Sad
In general the market has been going notably up, but in P&D's case they're making less money than they used to (though still a very healthy amount).
By comparison, Clash of Clans - to my understanding - is still going up.
The overall market is seeing very heavy growth at the top.
http://venturebeat.com/2015/05/06/w...he-deep-end-of-mobile-games-with-big-budgets/