Well i am playing with everything on ultra without gameworks with a 970, and i have pretty much solid 60fps through the entire thing so far( played 11hrs)
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Witcher 3 downgrade arguments in here and nowhere else
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Well i am playing with everything on ultra without gameworks with a 970, and i have pretty much solid 60fps through the entire thing so far( played 11hrs)
Here are the same scenes as VGX in-game Ultra settings. What do you think? Personally i am satisfied it is very similar. This scene is not downgraded as we thought it was, the comparison screens released last week on PS4 was really different and bad quality. Here difference between VGX lies in some photo effects, i think the same quality on VGX can be achievable if you want it, with some added colors and filters such as increased sharpness etc.
You need to remember that ACU doesn't have dynamic TOD or weather so it's easier to achieve amazing lighting.
icecold1983
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thats an overclocked model to boot
Here are the same scenes as VGX in-game Ultra settings. What do you think? Personally i am satisfied it is very similar. This scene is not downgraded as we thought it was, the comparison screens released last week on PS4 was really different and bad quality. Here difference between VGX lies in some photo effects, i think the same quality on VGX can be achievable if you want it, with some added colors and filters such as increased sharpness etc.
lol seriously?
solokazama
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You set just ONE option from ultra to high (foliage) and rock solid 60 FPS (with almost same looks)
But bots from bencharking sites doesnt bother to find bootleg and tell you
PS4 version:
Yup, clear downgrade.
How far into the game is that, by the way?Here are the same scenes as VGX in-game Ultra settings. What do you think? Personally i am satisfied it is very similar. This scene is not downgraded as we thought it was, the comparison screens released last week on PS4 was really different and bad quality. Here difference between VGX lies in some photo effects, i think the same quality on VGX can be achievable if you want it, with some added colors and filters such as increased sharpness etc.
Difference is end of the day Witcher 3 is a good game and Watch_Dogs isn't.
PS4 version:
Woooowww.
ss_lemonade
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GOG has been adding what looks like predowngrade images to their facebook page. Does that count?
icecold1983
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how people can view it as a side grade and just diff art and no sharpening filter is beyond me
First mission in the No Man's Land, not far after you leave White Orchard.
PS4 version:
Massive downgrade.
A visual downgrade is a visual downgrade, also sites and journalists who covered the Watch Dogs downgrade were mostly talking about the graphics downgrade and the shady marketing practices from Ubi, not the gameplay or how good or bad Watch Dog is. (Forbes, ArsTechic ,Vg247, Eurogamer, Jimquisition and TotalBiscuit )
these and more sites were all talking about Watch Dogs graphics and false advertising (and parity theories), not if the game is good or bad, now Giving CDPR a free pass ( Witcher 3 downgrade is far worse than Watch Dogs by the way, and CDPR showed the 2013 version as "in game footage" and gameplay) is just weird.
I know that TotalBiscuit just said he will not talk about Witcher 3 because CDPR/GoG sponsor him, but where are the other who were up in arms against the evil of vertical slices, false advertising and parity (or is it bad only when Ubi or do it?).
icecold1983
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its going to look almost identical to the ps4 version with better lod
Still would be interesting to see it. Sure, horse won't cocaine anymore and the foliage will still be rather green than golden, but it still will look better. Isn't the sky more beautiful, the light not brighter, the life not better on PC?
anothertech
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We need someone to unlock the 2013 shaders and effects like they did in watchdogs. Would be hilarious if they were in there somewhere and could be hacked.
People think it's okay because:
1.) Its CDPR and not some evil big company like Ubisoft/etc.
2.) The game is "still gorgeous."
3.) It's a good game.
When you try to tell these people it's not about the company, or the game, etc. it's about being lied to they won't listen. You'll hear bullshit like its optimization, etc.
What do you think what's it about? CDPR getting together drunk and giggeling deactivating the megaton option to prank the players?
Maybe in lighting, but overall The Witcher 3 is better, at least than Ground Zeroes( i played it on Xbone and then PC) Texure quality, foliage, details are better in The Witcher 3, indeed Ground Zeroes looks great at night with rain and lighting effects, but in day time isn't so good
BigTnaples
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Nah. I own both copies. Night and day.
I'm actually getting sick of it now.
Despite the criticisms aimed at Nintendo at least they release games that are generally more polished than the state of "AAA" games released on consoles nowadays.
Even using driveclub as an example, that game today is very good, but the state it was in when it was released is eye opening. Things that to me are basic essentials in a racing game like replays missing, online broken etc
I wonder if this now common trend in releasing games with the "we'll patch it later" mentality is ever going to stop? Unlikely if we just bend over with our money out.....
Yes the frame rate is awful. Cut scenes are in the 20's and in a battle when using magic effects like fire with a few enemies on the screen it turns into a slideshow. Throw in the way Geralt controls into the mix and you're left with a mess in my opinion.
I played a few hours last night and the game looks gorgeous. Also runs well on PS4.
Really impressed, especially after seeing how big this thread got thanks to a vocal minority.
Does it look different than what they projected back in 2013? Yeah. But there has been so much footage since it's not an issue.
Really impressed, especially after seeing how big this thread got thanks to a vocal minority.
Does it look different than what they projected back in 2013? Yeah. But there has been so much footage since it's not an issue.
Hate to say it, but you are right. I'm not screaming conspiracy. Its likely those folks aren't covering it because they don't care or because it's Ubisoft's long laundry list of issues that caused the downgrade of Watch Dogs to be a 'last straw' scenario. But there is absolutely no doubt that Witcher 3 was visually downgraded, and its not being harped on the way Watch Dogs was. And there are a ton of people making excuses for it, when those same excuses were shouted down when trotted out for Ubisoft.
Fair is fair guys. C'mon.
icecold1983
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no its really not.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/The-W...rafikvergleich-PC-vs-Xbox-One-vs-PS4-1159421/
just played it for myself, got it for free since i own a titan x. it looks worse once theres no compression to hide the flaws. the vegetation just looks yucky and the IQ is awful. think bf4 w/ only post aa.
Ehh, sounds far fetched. I think VeeP nailed it:
A mid sized studio isn't "the man" and they simply aren't a good target for consumer outrage, unlike the big publishers. And yeah, the game itself is good, so complaining about deceitful trailers sounds like nitpicking (but isn't).
Basically, I think CD Projekt Red didn't handle this as well as they should have and I'm slightly disappointed because they have always been fighting for consumer rights.
Going from there to "they probably paid to get good reviews" seems like a bit of a leap.
tamaster92
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that 970 benchmark is fucked up.
I'm playing with a 970, and i5 4670k at 3.4ghz
everything maxed including hairworks @1080p
other than some stutter during cutscenes so far I have a locked 30fps and if i unlock it it move between 35-50. If i turn off hairworks its solid 60fps constantly.
I'm 8 hours in.
I'm playing with a 970, and i5 4670k at 3.4ghz
everything maxed including hairworks @1080p
other than some stutter during cutscenes so far I have a locked 30fps and if i unlock it it move between 35-50. If i turn off hairworks its solid 60fps constantly.
I'm 8 hours in.
chromatic9
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Probably going to repeat myself but Watch Dogs was a headline reveal at e3 2012, a first marker for next gen and was a huge story. Not only that it was GTA like and got everyone hyped.
Witcher 3 reveal was very low key compared to Watch Dogs and was kind of lost in the shuffle. It's at this point a not very well known game from a smaller team publisher. I just don't think most people started looking at the game until recently, not many got a sense of the game before and after and is difficult for the average site/person to wade in without really studying it.
Seems its just some hardcore CDPR fans and PC guys right now. With all the recent hype of reviews, not many other games out and being open world Skyrim like it's garnered a lot of attention only recently and people are liking what they see. You start retroactively showing them bits and pieces from 2013 and it seems more like concept rather than false advertising. The 2014 stuff mostly looks like colour grading with some small changes that the average person just won't see or care.
If anything, Watch Dogs is an exception due to the timing and wave of news it generated, most games get away with it and just seen as looking different and screenshots are almost always bullshit.
Aliens CM was different.
Far Cry 3 got a away with a very fancy first trailer as most just don't see the changes. I don't see the gaming press laying down Ubi on that.
Same here. 970 with some i5 CPU. Everything on the highest level, except sharpening filter and Hairworks (which ia completely off). 1080p with smooth 60 fps, with small dibs to 50+ sometimes. Nevergoy below 50, be it in settlements, Oxenfurt or some damn swamp with Drowners swarming me.
Yes im sure CDPR bought out pretty much every single major review site...
Cave Johnson
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This is the kind of music that I hear when I see this epic gif below:
https://youtu.be/S9zqXmraFKQ?t=73
This is the kind of music I hear when I see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q
https://youtu.be/S9zqXmraFKQ?t=73
This is the kind of music I hear when I see this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q
This is a pretty major downgrade, moreso than other games which have had more backlash, but the final game still looks amazing so its not so bad.
vpance
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It really is. I hope the people behind it stick with Kojima wherever he ends up.
MGSV runs at 60 so comparing other aspects doesn't make sense. Overall I'd still give it to Fox Engine because lighting is so important to the look. Just see the gif above and it's like LoTR vs an episode of Xena.
With correct PBR and color grading like from ACU, The Order, and Ryse, the lighting looks so much more realistic.
It Really is not...This thread is full of salt, parody and crazed hyperbole to the max.
The game is no where near the level that DF have made out here at all, and many just want to jump on a bandwagon, moan or snipe at each other.
..i'm out
I think I'm the only person who thinks Ground Zeroes looks worlds better in the daytime. I actually hate the night missions because the lighting doesn't feel natural. It's way too light to be night time.
cripterion
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This is a pretty major downgrade, moreso than other games which have had more backlash, but the final game still looks amazing so its not so bad.
I agree it, still looks great and I'm satisfied with performance as it's a solid 60fps on my rig (just the occasional crashes that are annoying). But people defended CDPR way toomuch, I played this scene yesterday and it's nowhere near how it was in the VGX trailer.
The fact that they still reused the scene, even with the Wild Hunt king's old assets in a recent trailer (I think it was the Monsters) one, is pretty disingenuous.
PS4 version:
Here it is PS5 version vs PS4...
Game looks pretty good though, maxed out with HairWorks on with my GTX 980, i'm enjoying it a lot(besides few crashs)
Raven77
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I've been playing this game for a few hours since the release date and I've noticed something.
The atmosphere in this game changes literally every 5 minutes. Clouds cover the sun, wind picks up or dies down, rain storms roll in. Sometimes it is hazy and "atmospheric" and sometimes it clears up and is very "clean" looking.
If you're going to try and do a comparison of something (the one above this post) like with the horse riding gif vs the PS4 horse riding gif in the same area of the game, please try to match all the conditions. I rode through that section last night and paused the game to compare it to the old trailer. It was party cloudy, hazy, and honestly it looked pretty similar to the old footage. The gif of it darker and cloudy doesn't look like what I experienced and compared last night because the conditions are drastically different. Also, in the old footage above, i'm pretty sure that castle / town in the far bacground including that river are pre-baked / just a photo and not somewhere you would actually be able to ride off to, unlike in the final game.
The atmosphere in this game changes literally every 5 minutes. Clouds cover the sun, wind picks up or dies down, rain storms roll in. Sometimes it is hazy and "atmospheric" and sometimes it clears up and is very "clean" looking.
If you're going to try and do a comparison of something (the one above this post) like with the horse riding gif vs the PS4 horse riding gif in the same area of the game, please try to match all the conditions. I rode through that section last night and paused the game to compare it to the old trailer. It was party cloudy, hazy, and honestly it looked pretty similar to the old footage. The gif of it darker and cloudy doesn't look like what I experienced and compared last night because the conditions are drastically different. Also, in the old footage above, i'm pretty sure that castle / town in the far bacground including that river are pre-baked / just a photo and not somewhere you would actually be able to ride off to, unlike in the final game.
longdi
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Major downgrade in the lighting as expected. Something as simple as lighting makes a generational looking difference.
I can accept if PS4/One lacks the power, but how about the latest PC? Hope CDPR can patch a ultra+. If not, I'm disappointed how stagnate realtime 3d has become. Or they just pulled a point blank bull shot lie on their fans.
I can accept if PS4/One lacks the power, but how about the latest PC? Hope CDPR can patch a ultra+. If not, I'm disappointed how stagnate realtime 3d has become. Or they just pulled a point blank bull shot lie on their fans.
Dictator93
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What do you mean by lighting?
This phrase is used at nausem in this thread, when what people are complaining about has nothing to do with how engines light and relight surfaces.
longdi
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The real ingame screens look extremely murky compared to the faked trailler
Papacheeks
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And you don't think because of the Strong focus on Consoles, that the Original Engine they had with the current renderer running on high end PC render cards wasn't scaled back and retooled to get it to work on PS4 and Xbox one?
Because that's exactly what I see. Witcher 2 went through some changes for Xbox, but wasn't their main lead platform and they didn't have as big of a PR deal that they did with Microsoft back then.
They actually in Witcher 2 added nice changes and optimizations for Super sampling later on in it's life cycle for PC.
I 'm sure they will update the PC version down the line.
Also take into consideration, WB could have had a hand in what they were going to release for versions. Maybe they didn't want ton's of threads and conversations going around at how superior the PC version was to console.
I love the game so far for it's setting, well animated character models, so far it's story telling and presentation. I think they game runs great and looks great. Does it hold up against the initial reveal trailers? No, but I wonder what they would have to sacrifice to make it work on consoles.
Because more than likely I want to believe that's why this thread exist, is they had to make a decision that would impact flow of work, and stability. I couldn't imagine the 2013 version being able to run let alone look close to it's original state on consoles.
People Bring up watchdogs which isn't even remotely in the same scenario.
Geralt's character hasn't changed, and the gameplay hasn't suffered from it. Watch Dogs was plagued not just by graphical downgrade but fundemental changes made to Aiden, and some gameplay elements that definitely didn't look like original reveal gameplay.
Witcher doesn't get a pass, but it's still a remarkable game, and it's reviews are telling that, maybe they made the right changes, even though it pisses off hardcore PC people.
Latvian Hitman
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I mean, I guess that would be cool and all, but I'm playing the game on a heavily OC'd, underwater Titan X at 3440x1440, and am pushing the card to its absolute limits to hit 60fps. An Ultra+ mode would basically leave me to decide between dropping to 30fps or spend another $1,200 on a second card and waterblock. Oh, yeah- and likely a new PSU. I know there are a few people here running Titan X's in SLI, but come on- how many people can realistically hope to run an Utra+ version of this game at acceptable frame rates?
jim2point0
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Dunno... but I don't think it's just palette and saturation changes that attribute for the differences seen in this shot.
When I look at an in-game shot that's supposedly the best this game can look in a city... it just seems to be a lot more flat. My gut reaction is to attribute this to lighting.
I feel like I'm alone in thinking that shot isn't very impressive looking.
Yeah totally,an example is how drive club can go from looking amazing one minute to terrible the next.
I'm with you 100%. Among other things, lighting seems iron flat in comparison, I think they faked it in pp or enabled some achievable setting in-engine. Must have for all or parts of the VGX in-game footage too.
After AC:U, DA:I and FC:4, this is just okay.
I'm enjoying the game and all (especially for $20), but a downgrades is a downgrade and ought to be called out strongly, especially when they fucking deny it.
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