Absolutely, as much as I love mods, they should NEVER be an excuse to overlook the flaws of the base game.
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Fallout 4 Officially Revealed for PC, Xbox One, PS4 [Reddit Rumor = Ban]
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Absolutely, as much as I love mods, they should NEVER be an excuse to overlook the flaws of the base game.
amstradcpc
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Ummm,even if it was crossgen is not like they couldnt implement at least SSAO in PS4/X1 (not even talking HBAO or HBAO+). AC games,Far Cry and other open worlds had it implemented last gen.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
...is clearly something you don't quite understand.
Zenimax don't have shareholders, it's a private company.
Darkstorne
Member
For what it's worth, Todd Howard mentioned in an interview that the new consoles (specifically their RAM) allowed them to stream building interiors as you approached them, allowing you to enter them without loading screens. Coupled with the rumours that the last-gen versions are being released later, with less features, indicates that Bethesda have leveraged the strength of newer hardware where they can from a gameplay perspective, and that the last gen version will lack more than just a full HD resolution.
Hopefully the visuals get beefed up some more over the next 6 months, but Bethesda games have never really been lookers. Oblivion perhaps, for its time, but then Fallout 3 was aged as hell even when it launched (no shadows, terrible animations, low on-screen NPC counts) compared to the other open world competition like Assassin's Creed (full shadows, fantastic animations, huge crowds).
So 2008, Fallout 3 came out.
Disclamer!
All screenshots are off the internet, some with/without mods, crap/mid/high settings, and other such discrepancies. These are visual norms for "the time", and nothing more.
If you spot a bullshot, make it as such, and be sure to let everyone know I failed you all.
FarCry 2
GTA IV
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:Clear Sky
Visually, it did just fine, but wasn't winning any beauty contests.
If we did the same for games that are coming out this year, for PC and consoles, I am sure there would be a similar "lower standard" look versus fallout 4 and this years games.
I would ask people that have played fallout 3 to uninstall and reinstall the game fresh, no changes other than stock visual settings and tell me fallout 4 looks like fallout 3 with a "minor" bump to visuals.
And please, leave the dog argument alone, you all know some awesome modder will give you "real fur" physics, and all sorts of goodies in under a month of release.
What else came out when this groundbreaking game released, with its "awesome for the time" visuals?
Disclamer!
All screenshots are off the internet, some with/without mods, crap/mid/high settings, and other such discrepancies. These are visual norms for "the time", and nothing more.
If you spot a bullshot, make it as such, and be sure to let everyone know I failed you all.
FarCry 2
GTA IV
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:Clear Sky
Visually, it did just fine, but wasn't winning any beauty contests.
If we did the same for games that are coming out this year, for PC and consoles, I am sure there would be a similar "lower standard" look versus fallout 4 and this years games.
I would ask people that have played fallout 3 to uninstall and reinstall the game fresh, no changes other than stock visual settings and tell me fallout 4 looks like fallout 3 with a "minor" bump to visuals.
And please, leave the dog argument alone, you all know some awesome modder will give you "real fur" physics, and all sorts of goodies in under a month of release.
DC1
Member
I'm guessing that MS has some sort of marketing deal and/or timed DLC on this one, as the XB1 version is sitting in the front of the set. Am I reading too much into the placement of the various boxes?
Who are you? Are we relegated?
Oh.. and with respect to your question. Yeah. you are probably right.
In addition to PC? Probably.
Would it make as much money as they'd like, following Skyrim? Probably not.
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I'm guessing that MS has some sort of marketing deal and/or timed DLC on this one, as the XB1 version is sitting in the front of the set. Am I reading too much into the placement of the various boxes?
That and it's been the case for previous Bethesda titles
Oh fuck please no. Disappointment of the gen so far if true. Fuck graphics, it's the core designs and features that are going to be neutered, making sure that a game two years or more into the next gen isn't doing anything that couldn't be done on 10 year old hardware. Fuck no.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I would hate that to the point of being a dealbreaker. I spent hundreds of hours in Fallout 3 and Skyrim playing men AND women. The "roleplaying" aspect there is what kept me coming.
Yeah the motivation behind it is not difficult at all to understand. If it is crossgen then I'm hoping that the last-gen versions bomb horribly, sending message to other devs that no, at this point it is no longer worth it. Talking a little hyperbole over here because the thought makes me so frustrated. Finally a new, next-gen fallout game and it would not be the best it could be. Then it is "oh well let's wait for the next one" that will propably come to PS5. I want a fallout 4, not fallout 3.5. Not even talking about visuals. The Witcher 3 really has raised the bar for open world games.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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IMO that Footage yesterday already showed that its a cross gen game. It doesnt look so hot. Yes its an improvement over F3 and NV, but cmon.
He's had things spot on so far, please no....
Cross-gen rumour won't die.
That reddit post is some kind of shit though.
Lets not forget Skyrim has hugely inflated numbers because it's been available for years on PC for as little as £3-5.
The current gen install base is more than enough to sustain a title of this size.
F4 is releasing in a post Witcher 3 world, if the game is limited in scope and technically die to being crossgen I expect it will suffer when it comes to review time.
Felsparrow
Neo Member
Whether it's cross gen might actually be up in the air depending on reception. And another difference may be the farming out of last gen versions as ports to 2nd party developers.
Lighting and art direction seem great. Textures, animations, models are from what we see a 2009 standard. The tree screenshots look like Red Dead Redemption with a little more foliage.
At least they did not try to bullshot everyone, so there's hope for better footage until release. But I fear that the vanilla won't look great in 2016.
Also being cross-gen in 2016 is not really smart, just look at the numbers of third-party AAA games in 2014, they sold well, the cost/benefit doesn't worth it imo.
At least they did not try to bullshot everyone, so there's hope for better footage until release. But I fear that the vanilla won't look great in 2016.
Also being cross-gen in 2016 is not really smart, just look at the numbers of third-party AAA games in 2014, they sold well, the cost/benefit doesn't worth it imo.
Darkstorne
Member
Chances are it's so far along in development by this point that they may as well release it anyway and get some small profit for their work, rather than scrapping that version altogether. Sounds like it's a slightly different game to current gen Fallout 4 anyway (loading screens in particular), so it's not like dropping support at this stage would see the current gen version benefiting in any way.
In Service
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I'm reading all of this thread and reddit and just soaking it all in. Will be nice to get the impressions from the floor at E3 before I commit to any opinion.
Of course, this reddit thread is interesting too: Spoiler Warning
Reddit Spoiler Thread
Of course, this reddit thread is interesting too: Spoiler Warning
Reddit Spoiler Thread
Someone posted earlier that Gamebryo was looking into Dx12.
So you're saying, it continues to print money years down the line? Sounds like a good deal from an industry that expects all of its sales to be frontloaded.
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He's saying it shouldn't be about last gen install base
kingkenny76
Member
Yeah, I feel the same from the 1:30 mark it looks like gameplay and it looks a lot better graphically.
If this game plays exactly like Fallout 3 and New Vegas and looks like that, I'll be extremely disappointed after playing The Witcher 3. But I will be okay with the games look if the gameplay pushes the envelope. I will have to wait until E3 before I decide whether or not to give this attention.
Not a fan of the Boston aesthetic unless they make it look very unique. Tired of destroyed cities as a game setting.
Not a fan of the Boston aesthetic unless they make it look very unique. Tired of destroyed cities as a game setting.
Oh interesting. So no gameplay at this year's E3, october 2015 release and and spinoff in 2016.
Or because, you know, you can't read half of the Xbox One logo if you place it behind the PS4 one.
It's the only box with a centered logo.
Microsoft, you cunning bastards.
Dude, this has been posted so many times, Nirolak had to post this.
That was posted 11 months ago, in July 2014.
Most of it is based off of this 2013 Kotaku article, with only a couple things changed, such as gender option, and the random DLC schedule plus Naughty Bear people spin-off: http://kotaku.com/leaked-documents-reveal-that-fallout-4-is-real-set-in-1481322956Unless you have something better to back it up, keep it out of the thread please.
The textures should be better than all last gen games.
In Service
Member
I liked the sound of the top down manner of playing although that might have been cut in the 11 months since that was posted.
Seems accurate so far though.
Quavillion
Banned
Fallout 4 was finally announced. Instead of crying over graphics people should be rejoicing. Plus, visually the game looks stellar. The art direction is beautiful and most importantly can run on current-gen consoles. Both the Xbox One and PS4 are not the powerhouses people perceive them to be.
Back to my fangirl reaction.
Back to my fangirl reaction.
And you can change your gender after the main storyline is over? Last gen versions ship A YEAR after Fallout 4 current gen releases, so in late 2016? A spin off by Behaviour Interactive? That seems ridiculous. If that's what GAF is getting all of its information from, I am disappointed.
BacklashWave534
Member
Why does every game have to be a graphical masterpiece? RPGs have never been about graphics and they never should be. A good story, likable characters and a strong musical score makes a great RPG. I don't get the new generation and their constant bitching about graphics, resolutions and frame rate.
Akiyama_AE
Member
I hope the way the game opens is more like F3 than NV
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don't forget that they are adding Fallout 3 save imports for the last gen versions because that sounds really worth it
RPGCrazied
Member
Who is replaying the Fallout games to build more hype? I am. This weekend its mostly Fallout.
Turin Turambar
Member
Funny how in the end Witcher 3 raised the standards, after all the downgrade debate.
Even people rioting about graphics of Witcher 3 have to admit that gameplay design (world building, quest design...) is brilliantly done. imo
Admiral Woofington
Member
Witcher 3 is my goty. Unless p5 comes out 2015 in the west. It'll be a tougher choice then.
CDProject set themselves an impossibly high bar and just barely failed to clear it. Witcher 3 still looks incredible, just not as incredible as some early trailers made it out to be.
Bethesda certainly aren't making that mistake.
VicDaMoan03
Member
Now that graphics are bad I'm kind of hoping for cross gen. It would explain the graphics and restore my faith in Bethesda delivering a true current gen great looking TESVI. Does that make me a bad person?
*assuming TESVI is current gen only
*assuming TESVI is current gen only
Portugeezer
Member
It won't be on last gen.
Besides, Skyrim looked a whole generation better than Oblivion, don't worry too much.
Kingpin Rogers
Member
Any chance this was actually legit?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/28v2dn/i_played_fallout_4/?sort=new
Includes possible fallout 4 spoilers so be warned.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/28v2dn/i_played_fallout_4/?sort=new
Includes possible fallout 4 spoilers so be warned.