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New 4K-Capable PS4 And Xbox One Consoles Coming This Year, Predicts Netflix

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Garrus Vakarian

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I hope the revision comes with 4K blu-ray support. It'd sway me on a PS4 purchase.

truth411 said:
Yup, Resolution is not the end all and be all of picture quality.
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We'll probably have to wait until fiber is widespread before content providers stream even 1080p blu-ray bitrate, and by then who knows what resolution we'll be at. Though I guess that is a discussion for another thread.
 
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MajorTom

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Theonik said:
Which is also largely because almost every smart TV regardless of expense has been poo so far. I am hearing good things about the smart TVs LG is releasing this year though.
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Not sure that is true. I bought a Samsung smart TV a few weeks ago. It seems great. The Netflix app actually seems to work better than it does on my ps4.
 
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Mr. Wonderful

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Garrus Vakarian said:
I hope the revision comes with 4K blu-ray support. It'd sway me on a PS4 purchase.


We'll probably have to wait until fiber is widespread before content providers stream even 1080p blu-ray bitrate, and by then who knows what resolution we'll be at. Though I guess that is a discussion for another thread.
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Netflix could do Blu-ray quality with HEVC at their Super HD bitrate.
 
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jeff_rigby

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Went back through my posts in this thread for this from 2011 some speculation (the GE disk is wrong): http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=30764910&postcount=820

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The Blocked out picture of the 4K Media server could be the PS4. Notice behind the block it's on it's side standing upright (Don't know of any other Sony products designed to be placed upright). Why block out the image of the PS4 if it's some other Sony media Player...because it's a PS4 and the final design is not locked, it's a mockup and 2011 too early to start the hype as it would impact PS3 sales.

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The PS3 can support 4K IPTV streaming at 24Hz but doesn't yet support Playready or HDMI 2 so it likely won't be used for 4K commercial video content just pictures and home movies.
 
Croatoan

Croatoan

They/Them A-10 Warthog
I think I got a lemon PS4. My wife and I have two identical tvs next to each other, each with a ps4, and mine always has a worse framerate on BF4/Borderlands. If a revision or a star wars themed PS4 showed up I would likely replace my current one.
 
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gatti-man

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Garrus Vakarian said:
I hope the revision comes with 4K blu-ray support. It'd sway me on a PS4 purchase.


We'll probably have to wait until fiber is widespread before content providers stream even 1080p blu-ray bitrate, and by then who knows what resolution we'll be at. Though I guess that is a discussion for another thread.
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This. Please PLEASE include 4k bluray support. Streaming 4k is half ass. I want the whole ass. Give me 4k bluray support.

AmyS said:
Posted?



http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertc...-one-and-ps4-dont-need-to-make-4k-a-priority/
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If Sony released a 4k variant of its ps4 it would sell large numbers for a premium sku. This would be the smartest move as plenty of people are hungry for 4k. Not enough for it to replace existing skus but certainly enough for a variant and with 4k bluray coming this Christmas it's the perfect time.
 
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mocoworm

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Woah. Massive necro-bump.

I was super excited when I made this thread, but not so much now. Would be a nice addition for new owners.
 
Journey

Journey

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dork said:
I thought they could play Netflix already with 4k just not games?
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They technically can, and other apps may not be as strict, but Netflix wont do it unless they see HD copy protection version 2.2 hardware which both X1 and PS4 lack. At least that's my understanding. Boo Netflix!
 
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brokenwatch

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Journey said:
They technically can, and other apps may not be as strict, but Netflix wont do it unless they see HD copy protection version 2.2 hardware which both X1 and PS4 lack. At least that's my understanding. Boo Netflix!
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I don't know the technical details but it is correct that the xbox one netflix app only allows up to 1080p even if you have a 4k TV. It may be a limitation of the Xbox OS as you can't even display the dashboard in 4k currently.
 
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scitek

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brokenwatch said:
I don't know the technical details but it is correct that the xbox one netflix app only allows up to 1080p even if you have a 4k TV. It may be a limitation of the Xbox OS as you can't even display the dashboard in 4k currently.
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As far as I know, only TV apps and the new Shield console can actually stream 4K from Netflix.
 
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Chippiez

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Wait wait. I know I read that Xbone does support 4K output. It even included a 4K happy HDMI cable (whereas the PS4 supposedly did not, despite also being capable of 4K output). If they don't I'm sure it's something that can be patched in via firmware updates, right? I know neither company would make the mistake of dropping a bomb at E3 .. coming this fall... PS4.1, now with 4K support (but limited to UI/video playback), though I guess they could put it into a new PS4 Slim/Xbone Slim or whatever.

Also, I just bought a 65 inch TV last year. For the money, I could've gotten a 50 inch 4k, but I honestly could not tell the difference between 4k and 1080p at 10 feet away (4k TV has 4k demo content). So I opted for the bigger screen with more pop and bells and whistles. Surely others are making that same decision? I can't see 4K becoming ubiquitous until the 4k premium is a tenner or two over the same size 1080p screen.
 
Fordfx2

Fordfx2

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So if these new consoles are having FPS issues (example - Witcher 3) with new gen games at 1080p and 720p how in the hell are they going to support 4k??
 
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Black Pewter

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Fordfx2 said:
So if these new consoles are having FPS issues (example - Witcher 3) with new gen games at 1080p and 720p how in the hell are they going to support 4k??
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I'm going to assume rendering a game and streaming video in 4K are completely different in terms of performance. I don't know much about displays or anything though.
 
Fordfx2

Fordfx2

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Struct09 said:
We're talking codecs here (for things like streaming video), not in-game rendering
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Codecs and transcoders still use a decent amount of CPU, Take plex for example. When I stream a movie to my living room with Plex, I get shoddy FPS on my computer while its streaming a movie and playing heavy graphical games at the same time bc of the transcoder using my CPU. Plus, with the new PS4 suspend feature that stores 2 apps in the background taking away from the consoles RAM. I dunno, I guess they might be making hardware improvements as well to these 2.0 versions of these consoles.
 
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DSmalls84

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Honestly with data cap Comcast has in place I couldn't stream 4k even if I wanted to. I had to switch Netflix to medium quality because on Auto settings it was already close to exceeding my limit.
 
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jeff_rigby

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Fordfx2 said:
Codecs and transcoders still use a decent amount of CPU, Take plex for example. When I stream a movie to my living room with Plex, I get shoddy FPS on my computer while its streaming a movie and playing heavy graphical games at the same time bc of the transcoder using my CPU. Plus, with the new PS4 suspend feature that stores 2 apps in the background taking away from the consoles RAM. I dunno, I guess they might be making hardware improvements as well to these 2.0 versions of these consoles.
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The blue link brings up this:

Proof the XB1 has, not will have, HEVC codecs (Xtensa IVP processors see OP). The current versions of the XB1 and PS4 will both be 4K blu-ray players.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=916219 said:
Found by onQ123 but he didn't realize what he found. I didn't either till I investigated Kavari supporting h.265 with a Xtensa processor (In Wiki pages). Panajev2001a apparently got it and also that it's likely in the ARM secondary chip as Southbridge " Those slides are very interesting and kind of confirm that the secondary ARM processor and the DPU we see mentioned are quite the same thing basically.".
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Encoding HEVC is much harder than decoding which makes the images on the right amazing. HEVC for Skype and game streaming means the Xtensa IVP in Kaveri can encode as well as decode and older AMD APUs using a combination of older Xtensa processor and GPU shaders can do the same. It does mean that older AMD APUs and all Intel CPU/GPU combinations can't game stream to the XB1 as the shaders are being used for the game. This explains the XB1 to PC but not PC to XB1 being mentioned.

(from Arnold Beckenbauer and Pada on Beyond 3d) If you read the cited Beyond 3D thread, they are clueless in how this is accomplished, it is kinda funny really. onQ123 posted on the Xtensa processors there but no-one read the links and Grail jumped on him without reading the links or thinking about what has to be supported in a Game console for Media.

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Which proves they were working on HEVC in 2012
 
RowdyReverb

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gatti-man said:
Navigating Netflix on a TV is not fun. Plus most 4k Tvs have home theaters attached through receivers. TV apps are no good for this.
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I'd imagine most 4K TV owners have a modern enough receiver to support ARC. I agree though about TV Netflix apps being less stellar than STB apps.
 
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Palette Swap

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jeff_rigby said:
The blue link brings up this:

Proof the XB1 has not will have HEVC codecs (Xtensa IVP processors see OP). The current versions of the XB1 and PS4 will both be 4K blu-ray players.
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Unless I'm missing something, the biggest leap there is the assumption that this custom Panasonic HDMI chipset can be updated (or get new certificates or whatever) to support HDCP 2.x? I mean, the way I understand it, there's no confirmation of this part so far, right?

Super interesting stuff. I could see 4K Netflix (more than BR) being this generation's media feature that meaningfully impacts sales, the way Netflix did past gen (this always seems understated to me).
 
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brokenwatch

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Fordfx2 said:
Codecs and transcoders still use a decent amount of CPU, Take plex for example. When I stream a movie to my living room with Plex, I get shoddy FPS on my computer while its streaming a movie and playing heavy graphical games at the same time bc of the transcoder using my CPU. Plus, with the new PS4 suspend feature that stores 2 apps in the background taking away from the consoles RAM. I dunno, I guess they might be making hardware improvements as well to these 2.0 versions of these consoles.
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I don't think it will be a problem if a simple smart TV can do it. There is no transcoding necessary which is what is using all of your CPU when using Plex.
 
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DrROBschiz

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How are they gonna keep pushing 4K future without the infrastructure to support it

Has there been any indication that broadband providers are looking to upgrade to support this?
 
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jeff_rigby

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Palette Swap said:
Unless I'm missing something, the biggest leap there is the assumption that this custom Panasonic HDMI chipset can be updated (or get new certificates or whatever) to support HDCP 2.x? I mean, the way I understand it, there's no confirmation of this part so far, right?

Super interesting stuff. I could see 4K Netflix (more than BR) being this generation's media feature that meaningfully impacts sales, the way Netflix did past gen (this always seems understated to me).
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No confirmation but the HDCP 2.2 would be done in the PS4 southbridge and why is there a unlisted custom Panasonic HDMI chip if it's not to support HDMI 2 and HDCP 2.2 in a custom way.
 
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LordofPwn

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Doesnt the PS4 have a dedicated chip for video encoding and de-coding? couldnt they just give it a firmware update to support the new 4k format? Plus Sony and Netflix have a close relationship, especially when it comes to 4K. The only hardware update i could see would be to give the new versions HDMI 2.x but that isnt necessary. plus the morpheus hardware could double as a new 4K output module (the little box it comes with not the Headset)
 
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sono

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Consoles with new graphics hardware capable of higher resolutions are new consoles.

PS5
XBox Two
 
Aces&Eights

Aces&Eights

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Chippiez said:
Wait wait. I know I read that Xbone does support 4K output. It even included a 4K happy HDMI cable (whereas the PS4 supposedly did not, despite also being capable of 4K output). If they don't I'm sure it's something that can be patched in via firmware updates, right? I know neither company would make the mistake of dropping a bomb at E3 .. coming this fall... PS4.1, now with 4K support (but limited to UI/video playback), though I guess they could put it into a new PS4 Slim/Xbone Slim or whatever.

Also, I just bought a 65 inch TV last year. For the money, I could've gotten a 50 inch 4k, but I honestly could not tell the difference between 4k and 1080p at 10 feet away (4k TV has 4k demo content). So I opted for the bigger screen with more pop and bells and whistles. Surely others are making that same decision? I can't see 4K becoming ubiquitous until the 4k premium is a tenner or two over the same size 1080p screen.
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Hmm, I dunno man. Every time I go to Huppens and look at the all the new TVs, those 4k are like night and day in picture quality from the 1080p ones. I also have my TV at the for of my bed so a 60 inch for me would be like 6 feet away from me.

Super Rookie said:
Lol friends keeps telling me to watch that show, is it good?
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One of the best shows on TV. The funniest, for sure.
 
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Spectrasonic

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Ugh, this would be upsetting if true. I have a 4K TV and already own both consoles. Guess that's what I get for being an early adapter :/
 
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