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Roy (our boy) & Ryu confirmed for Smash Bros

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He was definitely differentiated from his "base" more than any other, but his specials are just Fox and Falco remixed.

It's hard not to think of him as a clone.
His specials are no more similar to Fox and Falco than Ike's are to Marth. If Wolf is anything close to a clone, than Ike is as well.
Defining a character by their specials has always struck me as odd.
It's just weird. Nobody looks at Jigglypuff in Smash 64 and cries clone, because despite 75% of her moves being ripped right from Kirby, she has unique specials, but heaven forbid a character have some similar specials. Or in Lucario's case, one vaguely similar special. Except Ike. Nobody calls him a clone for some reason.
 

Hatchtag

Banned
Man, I wish this leak didn't happened. Tomorrow's direct would've been so awesome without this knowledge.

it's sakurai
it'll still be awesome
here's hoping he shows ridley for two seconds doing something he normally doesn't, sending many into a frenzy for several months until ridley recieves a slight change in a later patch
 

Pizza

Member
it's sakurai
it'll still be awesome
here's hoping he shows ridley for two seconds doing something he normally doesn't, sending many into a frenzy for several months until ridley recieves a slight change in a later patch


That'd be rad. And I'm a Ridley-wanter! If sakurai could let me down that hard a second time that'd actually be hilarious
 

Fandangox

Member
All these costumes for the miis are making me considering making an ._. faced Mii that shares all the costumes and just name him/her "Cosplayer"
 

Neiteio

Member
Let's talk about why we're really excited:

What kind of shirt will Sakurai be wearing?

Will it be the skin of a cheetah?

Leopard?

Tiger?

Jaguar?

Cougar?

What could it be?
 
I am leaving to a friend's house to carpool to a museum at 11:15 a.m. EST (so 15 minutes after the presentation) ;_;

I'll be staring at world-famous art wishing I was flinging fireballs as Ryu :-(

Do... do you have to go to this museum tomorrow? It's Smash DLC! Priorities, man! Lucas needs you! (And maybe Roy and Ryu too.)

I'm so happy people are still crying about Sonic's inclusion.

I hope he's in Smash forever, nerd tears will always be the most delicious.

Preach on, my man. I'm a Mega Man guy and can't even use Sonic for shit but he's a fucking icon any way you look at it and no matter how you personally feel about his modern games. (Personally, I think a lot of them are at least good and some are damn great, with that incredibly outdated "Sonic Cycle" mentality stopping people from even giving them a chance.)

He's 120% deserving of a permanent spot in Smash, and the anti-Sonic fanboys saying he's "washed up" or a "has been" or whatever are hilariously out of touch.
 
Let's talk about why we're really excited:

What kind of shirt will Sakurai be wearing?

Will it be the skin of a cheetah?

Leopard?

Tiger?

Jaguar?

Cougar?

What could it be?
It's gonna be tiger, Ryu's cinematic trailer is an actor dressed as Ryu walking into frame and upper cutting Sakurai.

I have to work until 2 tomorrow and then go on a trip to order scrubs, but after that it's just me and Ryu. Nothing's gonna stop me now!
 

Neiteio

Member
It's gonna be tiger, Ryu's cinematic trailer is an actor dressed as Ryu walking into frame and upper cutting Sakurai.
I like this theory!

Do... do you have to go to this museum tomorrow? It's Smash DLC! Priorities, man! Lucas needs you! (And maybe Roy and Ryu too.)
I'll just have to henpeck from my phone. I will vicariously experience the new character smell through you guys. :-\

Then when I return home in a blaze of glory, I will set up a command station with the DLC downloading on one front and a rerun of the Nintendo World Championship on the other.
 

Regulus Tera

Romanes Eunt Domus
His specials are no more similar to Fox and Falco than Ike's are to Marth. If Wolf is anything close to a clone, than Ike is as well.

It's just weird. Nobody looks at Jigglypuff in Smash 64 and cries clone, because despite 75% of her moves being ripped right from Kirby, she has unique specials, but heaven forbid a character have some similar specials. Or in Lucario's case, one vaguely similar special. Except Ike. Nobody calls him a clone for some reason.
You need to lurk more.
 
Let's talk about why we're really excited:

What kind of shirt will Sakurai be wearing?

Will it be the skin of a cheetah?

Leopard?

Tiger?

Jaguar?

Cougar?

What could it be?

It will have the faces of the hackers. If you stay quiet long enough and listen real well, you can hear the faces uttering the words "worth it!"
 
Well, the reality is that Fire Emblem is currently one of the popular Nintendo's IPs, so that's that.
The sales most recent and most popular Fire Emblem release is somewhere on the level of an above average Metroid title. Its popularity on the rise, but I dunno if its current status warrants representation almost comparable to Zelda.
 
I would honestly consider Roy to be a Smash character at this point, in the same vein that Captain Falcon and Jigglypuff are. Like when I see Captain Falcon, my first thought is "Smash Bros", not "F-Zero". So it doesn't really seem like overload that Roy is here.
 

Neiteio

Member
It will have the faces of the hackers. If you stay quite long enough and listen real well, you can hear the face uttering the words "worth it!"
Sounds like the opening act to the hit new sitcom, That's So Sakurai

*cut to title montage with yellow font on screen — "STARRING" — followed by a shot of Sakurai walking through a door and looking surprised as he notices the camera, followed by a shot of Sakurai waking up, yawning, and smiling at the camera, followed by a shot of Sakurai holding a door open for someone carrying groceries, and waving at the camera. For each shot it says, "Masahiro Sakurai."*

FIRST SCENE: Sakurai's office at the Bandai-Namco HQ. Sakurai is leaning back in his chair, rubbing his chin thoughtfully. His brow is furrowed as he considers something.

FEMALE VOICE: "Well... What do you think?"

*cut to shot of Female Designer, wearing lacy lingerie*

FEMALE DESIGNER: "I worked extra hard designing the Smash Bra and Smash Panties you said were necessary research for DLC."

*Sakurai says something incredibly long in Japanese*

SAKURAI (subbed): "Nice."

*At that moment, Sakurai notices his wife pull into the office parking lot. She wasn't supposed to be working today, but it appears she's surprising the employees with bagels! Sakurai shoots a glance at Female Designer. How would he explain this?*

*In his panic, Sakurai starts rifling through design documents on his desk. There must be something he could say to justify this. "DLC research" will not pass muster with the waifu.*

*In his scramble, Sakurai accidentally hits the giant red button on his desk.*

GLADOS FROM PORTAL: "The Roy and Ryu patch has gone live."

*Sakurai lets loose a long string of words in Japanese*

SAKURAI (subbed): "Dammit!"
 

Platy

Member
Is there really a Akira/Heihachi Mii Outfit coming or am I getting tricked?

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Red Devil

Member
The sales most recent and most popular Fire Emblem release is somewhere on the level of an above average Metroid title. Its popularity on the rise, but I dunno if its current status warrants representation almost comparable to Zelda.

My guess is that Zelda gets enough love in other places too, for the same reason I doubt we'll get another Pokémon, like it gets its own spin offs and Metroid has been dormant for a while.

Is there really a Akira/Heihachi Mii Outfit coming or am I getting tricked?

Yes, the ones that were just posted above are real, also Isabelle, Jackie, MegaMan.EXE and Zero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZkzBCbsWrE
 
Sounds like the opening act to the hit new sitcom, That's So Sakurai

*cut to title montage with yellow font on screen — "STARRING" — followed by a shot of Sakurai walking through a door and looking surprised as he notices the camera, followed by a shot of Sakurai waking up, yawning, and smiling at the camera, followed by a shot of Sakurai holding a door open for someone carrying groceries, and waving at the camera. For each shot it says, "Masahiro Sakurai."*

FIRST SCENE: Sakurai's office at the Bandai-Namco HQ. Sakurai is leaning back in his chair, rubbing his chin thoughtfully. His brow is furrowed as he considers something.

FEMALE VOICE: "Well... What do you think?"

*cut to shot of Female Designer, wearing lacy lingerie*

FEMALE DESIGNER: "I worked extra hard designing the Smash Bra and Smash Panties you said were necessary research for DLC."

*Sakurai says something incredibly long in Japanese*

SAKURAI (subbed): "Nice."

*At that moment, Sakurai notices his wife pull into the office parking lot. She wasn't supposed to be working today, but it appears she's surprising the employees with bagels! Sakurai shoots a glance at Female Designer. How would he explain this?*

*In his panic, Sakurai starts rifling through design documents on his desk. There must be something he could say to justify this. "DLC research" will not pass muster with the waifu.*

*In his scramble, Sakurai accidentally hits the giant red button on his desk.*

GLADOS FROM PORTAL: "The Roy and Ryu patch has gone live."

*Sakurai lets loose a long string of words in Japanese*

SAKURAI (subbed): "Dammit!"

A+ post.
 
The sales most recent and most popular Fire Emblem release is somewhere on the level of an above average Metroid title. Its popularity on the rise, but I dunno if its current status warrants representation almost comparable to Zelda.
While I completely agree about FE overepresentation and am disappointed in Metroid and DK's representation(and also feel Zelda could use a new character); I don't mind it. Sakurai started development of DLC after the game was finished. At some point he decided to bring back cut characters and I'm fully expecting Wolf back and possibly Pichu(please don't suck again if it is brought back). It does seem a bit excessive but at this point it seems obvious that sakurai won't cut fighters with a unique playstyle(which is why we have Ike and Marth returning) then he came up with a unique playstyle for Robin and awakening was popular. Lucina was just a last minute for the fans thing.

I think Sakurai is just in touch with what is popular in Japan a bit more than the western side. Rosalina, Palutena, Lucina, Villager, and Greninja were all pretty popular both in Japan and worldwide. However, he hasn't done nearly the same level of fan service for Metroid or DK. Metroid Prime is on Galaxy tier in the west(quality wise). Yet it gets little representation in characters, stages or music. DK also same applies to the DKC series.
 

Red Devil

Member
While I completely agree about FE overepresentation and am disappointed in Metroid and DK's representation(and also feel Zelda could use a new character); I don't mind it. Sakurai started development of DLC after the game was finished. At some point he decided to bring back cut characters and I'm fully expecting Wolf back and possibly Pichu(please don't suck again if it is brought back). It does seem a bit excessive but at this point it seems obvious that sakurai won't cut fighters with a unique playstyle(which is why we have Ike and Marth returning) then he came up with a unique playstyle for Robin and awakening was popular. Lucina was just a last minute for the fans thing.

I think Sakurai is just in touch with what is popular in Japan a bit more than the western side. Rosalina, Palutena, Lucina, Villager, and Greninja were all pretty popular both in Japan and worldwide. However, he hasn't done nearly the same level of fan service for Metroid or DK. Metroid Prime is on Galaxy tier in the west(quality wise). Yet it gets little representation in characters, stages or music. DK also same applies to the DKC series.

But are DK and Metroid as popular currently, specially the former, serious question.

I mean I can think of K. Rool and Dixie being added(in fact I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them is added later) but who from Metroid? And don't say Ridley because he's already in the game.
 

Hatchtag

Banned
But are DK and Metroid as popular currently, specially the former, serious question.

I mean I can think of K. Rool and Dixie being added(in fact I wouldn't be surprised if either one of them is added later) but who from Metroid? And don't say Ridley because he's already in the game.

*Ridley's clone who also happens to share the name Ridley is in the game
(Ridley is not in the game)
 
It just seems odd that everything seems to be swinging Fire Emblem's way while some of the other series are left in the dust. Maybe all circumstantial, but when Fire Emblem has both of its Brawl veterans back, one new unique character, a new clone, a heavily modified returning clone as DLC, and a new stage in both versions, it stings when other series like Donkey Kong, Metroid, and Star Fox essentially gained nothing and only have one new stage in one version. There's definitely an imbalance there, and whatever reason it is, I think it's absolutely fair for it to leave a bad taste in some fans mouth.
I would like to see Dixie Kong, Ridley, and Wolf added. Then I would be happy. They could do K. Rool, too, but then those series feel pretty tapped out.
 
Sounds like the opening act to the hit new sitcom, That's So Sakurai

*cut to title montage with yellow font on screen — "STARRING" — followed by a shot of Sakurai walking through a door and looking surprised as he notices the camera, followed by a shot of Sakurai waking up, yawning, and smiling at the camera, followed by a shot of Sakurai holding a door open for someone carrying groceries, and waving at the camera. For each shot it says, "Masahiro Sakurai."*

FIRST SCENE: Sakurai's office at the Bandai-Namco HQ. Sakurai is leaning back in his chair, rubbing his chin thoughtfully. His brow is furrowed as he considers something.

FEMALE VOICE: "Well... What do you think?"

*cut to shot of Female Designer, wearing lacy lingerie*

FEMALE DESIGNER: "I worked extra hard designing the Smash Bra and Smash Panties you said were necessary research for DLC."

*Sakurai says something incredibly long in Japanese*

SAKURAI (subbed): "Nice."

*At that moment, Sakurai notices his wife pull into the office parking lot. She wasn't supposed to be working today, but it appears she's surprising the employees with bagels! Sakurai shoots a glance at Female Designer. How would he explain this?*

*In his panic, Sakurai starts rifling through design documents on his desk. There must be something he could say to justify this. "DLC research" will not pass muster with the waifu.*

*In his scramble, Sakurai accidentally hits the giant red button on his desk.*

GLADOS FROM PORTAL: "The Roy and Ryu patch has gone live."

*Sakurai lets loose a long string of words in Japanese*

SAKURAI (subbed): "Dammit!"

So good haha!

I'm just looking forward to Lucas really, Ryu will be interesting to try out but I'm not bothered about Roy if I'm honest
 
Regarding Fire Emblem "oversaturation", one must consider the fact that there's really only three original movesets at play, with Lucina and Roy being derivatives of Marth (Even if Roy might be "Luigified"). That said, five slots are still being occupied, even if 1 of those slots is circumstantial due to it being DLC. That's still 4 slots on the disc.

Zelda has five characters counting both Links and Zelda/Sheik separately, with three unique movesets, Ganondorf's moveset being a pretty significant retool of Falcon's moveset, and Toon Link being a moveset-clone but not so much of a stat-clone. All that said, 5 slots on the disc. Barely more than Fire Emblem without DLC, and on-par with Fire Emblem after DLC.

Zelda as a series has enjoyed more games, more sales, and more popularity than Fire Emblem by and large. One could argue, however, that Zelda is already perfectly represented in terms of Zelda characters. It has the core trio, as well as a couple "bonuses" in Sheik and Toon Link.

Fire Emblem has the original lord, a fairly recent lord, and a lord from the most recent entry, as well as two derivatives, one that was added to Melee to advertise an upcoming game, and another that was added because of how easy it was to make them a clone.

As an aside, Mario is Nintendo's biggest franchise, and has a number of reps that reflects that. Some people are complaining about DK being under-repped (A somewhat valid complaint, all things considered), but maybe the reason it's stuck at two reps is because Nintendo considers Wario, Yoshi, and the DK's as part of the greater Mario series despite different series icons? I mean why else would they not add Dixie Kong and/or King K. Rool? Or a WarioWare character like Ashley or Mona?
 
Sounds like the opening act to the hit new sitcom, That's So Sakurai

*cut to title montage with yellow font on screen — "STARRING" — followed by a shot of Sakurai walking through a door and looking surprised as he notices the camera, followed by a shot of Sakurai waking up, yawning, and smiling at the camera, followed by a shot of Sakurai holding a door open for someone carrying groceries, and waving at the camera. For each shot it says, "Masahiro Sakurai."*

FIRST SCENE: Sakurai's office at the Bandai-Namco HQ. Sakurai is leaning back in his chair, rubbing his chin thoughtfully. His brow is furrowed as he considers something.

FEMALE VOICE: "Well... What do you think?"

*cut to shot of Female Designer, wearing lacy lingerie*

FEMALE DESIGNER: "I worked extra hard designing the Smash Bra and Smash Panties you said were necessary research for DLC."

*Sakurai says something incredibly long in Japanese*

SAKURAI (subbed): "Nice."

*At that moment, Sakurai notices his wife pull into the office parking lot. She wasn't supposed to be working today, but it appears she's surprising the employees with bagels! Sakurai shoots a glance at Female Designer. How would he explain this?*

*In his panic, Sakurai starts rifling through design documents on his desk. There must be something he could say to justify this. "DLC research" will not pass muster with the waifu.*

*In his scramble, Sakurai accidentally hits the giant red button on his desk.*

GLADOS FROM PORTAL: "The Roy and Ryu patch has gone live."

*Sakurai lets loose a long string of words in Japanese*

SAKURAI (subbed): "Dammit!"

Oh my god the intro segment with his name. All you missed were the laugh tracks
 
Regarding Fire Emblem "oversaturation", one must consider the fact that there's really only three original movesets at play, with Lucina and Roy being derivatives of Marth (Even if Roy might be "Luigified"). That said, five slots are still being occupied, even if 1 of those slots is circumstantial due to it being DLC. That's still 4 slots on the disc.

Zelda has five characters counting both Links and Zelda/Sheik separately, with three unique movesets, Ganondorf's moveset being a pretty significant retool of Falcon's moveset, and Toon Link being a moveset-clone but not so much of a stat-clone. All that said, 5 slots on the disc. Barely more than Fire Emblem without DLC, and on-par with Fire Emblem after DLC.

Zelda as a series has enjoyed more games, more sales, and more popularity than Fire Emblem by and large. One could argue, however, that Zelda is already perfectly represented in terms of Zelda characters. It has the core trio, as well as a couple "bonuses" in Sheik and Toon Link.

Fire Emblem has the original lord, a fairly recent lord, and a lord from the most recent entry, as well as two derivatives, one that was added to Melee to advertise an upcoming game, and another that was added because of how easy it was to make them a clone.

As an aside, Mario is Nintendo's biggest franchise, and has a number of reps that reflects that. Some people are complaining about DK being under-repped (A somewhat valid complaint, all things considered), but maybe the reason it's stuck at two reps is because Nintendo considers Wario, Yoshi, and the DK's as part of the greater Mario series despite different series icons? I mean why else would they not add Dixie Kong and/or King K. Rool? Or a WarioWare character like Ashley or Mona?
"DK appears in Mario spin-offs therefore the DKC series doesn't actually exist or deserve representation."

No. The original Donkey Kong Country on SNES alone outsold the entire Fire Emblem franchise. Sakurai playing favorites is nothing new. That being said, complaining about Roy's inclusion isn't going to make him go away, so it doesn't phase me.
 

FSLink

Banned
There's no way they space them out this far. It would have been pointless to release such a late patch where the content is unused for montes

This isn't a new thing in fighting games to have content that's time locked though. Namco-Bandai ones especially.

It's also possible they aren't actually finished, they might still need balance tuning.

But honestly they look pretty much done so I doubt it, I actually think they'll all show up pretty soon and not that spread out.
 

Teknoman

Member
The Ryu challenger trailer has to have him teaming up with Lucario. It has to.

I'm so happy people are still crying about Sonic's inclusion.

I hope he's in Smash forever, nerd tears will always be the most delicious.

Him, Pac-Man, and Megaman should be locked in on every Smash. They're video game staples as much as Mario.
 

foxuzamaki

Doesn't read OPs, especially not his own
The Ryu challenger trailer has to have him teaming up with Lucario. It has to.



Him, Pac-Man, and Megaman should be locked in on every Smash. They're video game staples as much as Mario.

I actually hope its him teaming up with lil mac or fighting lil mac. or maybe some joke about how he and ike looks alike.
 
Heres hoping tomorrow we get the reveals officialy from nintendo about ryu and roy and they get released along with lucas. Only one can dream for this. Im going to scream like a little girl. Also, so many stuff from Nintendo this year at E3. Theyre going to kill it. GAF is going to crash this week.
 

Zomba13

Member
So what are the odds of the Smash Ballot being discussed tomorrow? I think that would at least give us something interesting to look forward to tomorrow, besides Ryu and Roy's release dates.

Smash ballot "discussed", Ryu won the vote, please look forward to seeing him in August. To tide you over we're planning on brining back a fan favourite in July. Please take a look.

*roll Roy reveal trailer*
 
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