KillerSloth
Banned
OK now I can no longer take you serious. That is some whack logic. The ps4 has been outselling x1 50 bucks more...and we have 18 months of data.
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NPD Sales Results for May 2015
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OK now I can no longer take you serious. That is some whack logic. The ps4 has been outselling x1 50 bucks more...and we have 18 months of data.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I am not talking bundle systems. I am talking "Bogo games" (up to 4 practically free at one point) Sony has never done yet.
Sony has yet to cut the price. And it was your use of "struggling" when the one that is not in the lead shown marketing signs of your narrative use of such a word.
If Sony did exactly what MSFT did, it would have been quite uglier than it is now worldwide, and much more impactful in the States.
Yes, your use of the word "struggling" towards the market leader is just spin, regardless of your "either way" disclaimer.
Square2015
Member
Why is this thread so dead...?
It's in the OP. Unless you mean actual numbers?
Not individual SKUs and yes, numbers too (like last month).
Did we receive a top 10 SKU list?
Square2015
Member
Despite Dreamcast selling a mere 32 units this month it still remains ahead of WiiU...but we're down to a gap of 11,000 units.
DC 4.0m
WiiU 4.0m
GC 7.3m
DC 4.0m
WiiU 4.0m
GC 7.3m
Doctor Professional
Banned
There wasn't that much of a "delay" until the holidays so not sure what your point with that is.
1. You don't know how much that is. There's also evidence that there are "MANY" especially in the US, 360 owners who have not moved on even after all this time.
2. Not that many examples of this, and this is implying MS isn't pushing anything. and is just sitting there.
3. This is assuming that MS will just sit there and do nothing, and also requires a crystal ball to predict what price they will be at, that there will be no reaction, or there will be a large reaction , and in the case of matching prices, most of that reaction only to the PS4.
4. You think Morpheus is going to have building hype BEFORE we are near it's release? The same Morpheous which didn't really have much of a mainstream reaction before? Well you do agree it won't move that many systems at least. Unless they cut that price further down then they probably will.
5. We do not have any info enough for Xbox "brand strength" at the moment. Hasn't even been 2 years yet,. I also like how you have a magic crystal ball that tells you that the majority of Xbox One users are core gamers, because the evidence you have for that is....
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Also compelling game sis subjective.
But again, imo I believe it could go either way.
The Power Of Snap
Member
Despite Dreamcast selling a mere 32 units this month it still remains ahead of WiiU...but we're down to a gap of 11,167 units.
DC 4.0m
WiiU 4.0m
GC 7.3m
Dreamcast was not a homerun for Sega but seeing the gamecube sales, they should have kept the dreamcast going another 1-2 years and release a new console in 2003.
Doctor Professional
Banned
Yes because when Kinect was unbundled, the stigma of the brand from the reveal, along with the games gap TF excluded, along with the high price DID NOTHING to make the drop to THE SAME price as the PS4 less impactful. Wait, yes it did, it's called basic business.
No it's not spin your taking the word to mean more than it is. The PS4, assuming based on the reaction i got for not agreeing with certain opinions, is considered by a few here, to be the more desirable product, that can easily pull away, that the XBox won't catch up, the it will have more for everyone, that it has more value, and it for nearly 2 years still has an 700k gap or so, and even 2 months ago, lost.
Really? That use of the word "struggle" is highly accurate, you're using it like the platform is weak, I'm using it based off a different definition.
A I said, I can see it easily either way, the only things I'm pointing out is some beliefs or assumptions of the Xbox brand don't make much snes, I don't see how that's a narrative, because they don't.
Hmmm you seem pretty convinced Xbox is going to take the US.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
If Sony matched MSFT's free game promotions and price cuts (a sign of market share struggling), there would be a larger gap. Why do you still continue to overlook these cause and effects?
I am not seeing it as "weak" with that use, but a narrative to make it look like it is hurting, yet has still maintained a lead without resulting to actual signs of market "struggle" with what MSFT has been forced to do.
So yes, the word is used to spin some sort of negative woe on Sony. Don't be so disingenuous.
You seem to be ignoring some of my points here.
For example, point 1 is answered in the form of the unified account system on PlayStation Network. When looking at semi casual and casual gamers they will usually get the system where they can play with their friends online. That would be the PlayStation this generation. Of course that's not the only reason why but it's one of them.
Of course I'm not assuming that Microsoft will sit there and do nothing, but I'm also saying that Sony won't sit there and do nothing in the US if Microsoft are starting to turn things to their favour too much. Especially after how well the PlayStation brand is doing on a global scale, the US is still the biggest console gaming market in the world.
I don't have a crystal ball but I have access to lots of data to help me with my analysis, some of that data is public, other data is not public.
Doctor Professional
Banned
I haven't said one thing implying that. So far the only thing I did was downplay some theories involving the Xbox. Therefore, making the chances of one winning more even.
Unless you could provide where you got this assumption from?
Doctor Professional
Banned
Nope you are literally just making things up with your imagination here. Especially since I never denied Sony's lead.
Also things are more unpredictable then they seem (Batman month Xox One winning second week of june on Amazon and was ahead in the monthly charts during that time) so we shouldn't jump to straight conclusions.
You are basically saying that if MS shows a very high chance of passing them in the US they will do some random action like say $299 PS4?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Doctor Professional
Banned
I didn't ignore anything, I was addressing only one part of your post and that was this part:
Again, so what you're saying is Sony will react if Xbox gets too close?
That's a pretty direct question based on this statement, not sure why you assumed I ignored anything. Or what that has to do with your last 3 posts. Since this statement was not made prior.
For sure budgets are going up and mid-budget games are disappearing, but the demand-side problems are real as well.
And they feed into each other. Mobile games are cheap, and for a lot of people they're good enough to replace a home console or dedicated handheld. That shrinks the market for traditional platforms, which in turn makes publishers even more risk-averse, and less likely to take a chance on a weird idea.
Between Steam and Kickstarter and mobile and indies and consoles and handhelds, we have better games and more variety than ever before, at $60 and $0 and everywhere in between. This is a fantastic time to be a gamer. But it's a very scary time to be a publisher or a platform holder.
Well you need to read my statement carefully. I'm not saying Sony are going to go all out, I'm just saying in the same way that you said that Microsoft won't sit there and do nothing, I am saying that Sony aren't just going to sit there and do nothing either.
I'm not saying Sony will react at a certain point. I'm being quite open really and just saying that Sony will do stuff in order to compete if Microsoft are trying to turn things around as Microsoft are trying to now.
As an example, last gen Nintendo didn't need to do much with the Wii against its competition in the early years. Where as this gen, none of the platform holders are in that position and so actually need to be wary of competition. Now if you go back in read my posts you'll see why I think that Sony will ultimately pull ahead this gen thanks to the advantages that they have and because of the position that they're in right now.
Those two and Destiny.
I thought that it was Sony who had advertising for Destiny.
If anything, it's Xbox One that is. Only the U.S. is keeping the system afloat in sales, & Microsoft had to do many firesales & price cuts just to get people to even pay attention to the console.
Not as much as Microsoft had, & Sony never officially did a price cut.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Sega had to cut Dreamcast short because they couldn't really keep it up for another 1-2 years, it was costing the company a fortune.
CosmicQueso
Member
No one knows what will happen by the end of the gen.
Last gen, the Wii dominated the early to mid-term of the cycle, but the X360 ended up and currently has a larger US installed base than the Wii. X360 dominated the Sony/MS battle at first, but Sony came charging back later in the cycle.
But here's the true secret... it doesn't fucking matter what console sells more than the other. At all.
Games made for PS4 will keep coming out for Xbox One. And vice-versa. The only time when that doesn't happen is for exclusive deals.
So who cares. And if you do, why.
Last gen, the Wii dominated the early to mid-term of the cycle, but the X360 ended up and currently has a larger US installed base than the Wii. X360 dominated the Sony/MS battle at first, but Sony came charging back later in the cycle.
But here's the true secret... it doesn't fucking matter what console sells more than the other. At all.
Games made for PS4 will keep coming out for Xbox One. And vice-versa. The only time when that doesn't happen is for exclusive deals.
So who cares. And if you do, why.
Welfare
Member
Bu-bu-bu-but console wars. X company is x times better than Y company and my purchases are justified when my company is winning. Why even bother playing if I'm not on the winning team??
KillerMan91
Member
As we finally got 3DS numbers
New3DS effect pretty much gone. Still as a whole decent amount ahead of last years numbers thanks to great launch months of 3DS. We shall see will it last.
Code:
3DS 2015 PSP 2009 NDS 2009 3DS 2014
January 74 172 510 97
February 395 199 588 153
March 265 168 563 159
April 116 116 1040 106
May 97 100 633 97
June 163 766
July 123 539
August 140 552
September 190 524
October 174 457
November 293 1700
December 654 3310
Through
May 947 755 3334 612
Total 2492 11182 2567New3DS effect pretty much gone. Still as a whole decent amount ahead of last years numbers thanks to great launch months of 3DS. We shall see will it last.
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Wii dominating really didn't effect PS360 that much in in terms of support, 9 year generation and tons of support in the end anyway. Everyone got to game without something like worring one of vendor dropping their console completely like Sega did with Saturn and Dreamcast after like 2-3 years. Pretty amazing generation.
Doctor Professional
Banned
14 and 22 million (estimate)
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Take out U.S. one is around ~7 million the other would be around ~15
Gap wouldn't really be different (using the above estimate as of May)
Apparently there has to be other countries that are keeping the Xbox One afloat then just the U.S. Although yes, a big portion of it is.
I addressed those points actually. Twice.
Like I said I don't see it the same way based on what I see, and what info I have I think it can go either way. U.S. only of course.
I think the software and the marketing from now till December will be a big deal in which will start to pull away.
The majority of the sales for Xbox One are from the U.S.
Elsewhere, in the beginning of their launches, it has done a bit well, but after that, it's completely tapered off.
It's on life support in the European regions, & is completely dead in the Asian regions as of now.
Exactly what I want to know.
Where'd you pull the 14 million number from for the Xbone? Cause it smells like shit to me.
I'm surprised by how well the PSP was holding up. Wasn't that considered pretty much a failure?
BlowoverKing
Banned
Any hint at what Vita numbers are?
Factually untrue. Sony closed the gap steadily until stalling later.
Edit: or are we writing about us sales only. Not sure about those trends.
Anyway, I'm interested in amazon chart in later part of month. Let,s see how it goes then. I expect most batman bundles to be bought on release day. Also batman bundle charted few months earlier too.
See ya later.
Doctor Professional
Banned
From this website. I recall in a thread where estimates had Xbox One at 14 million for max, 13+ for least, but if you have other numbers or if I had that wrong just link me to a thread with current estimates.
Of course it could go either way.
I'm just stating my reasons why I believe the PS4 would pull ahead as you asked me to haha.
I think end of this year, but also 2016 as a whole will be instrumental in deciding what happens in the future.
Cosmic gave the example of 360 turning around later in the gen but I don't see there being a significant extension peripheral or feature that will do that this gen, in fact I would imagine this gen will be shorter than last gen.
Also I have to ask, where does the 14m and 22m numbers come from?
We talking sold through or shipped?
Because last numbers we know would be shipped as of March 31st which is 22.3m for PS4 and unknown for One. However I have been able to deduce that the Xbox One will have sold in between 12.5m-13.5m (with the total being closer to 13m) as shown in this link below-
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/jabbamk1/WW 313_zpstzm0h8hn.jpg
Doctor Professional
Banned
14 came from here, 22 I just assumed was shipped by the time May came arounf at the very least since 20 million and some change was announced in march and with all the countries the consoles in, I assume that 22 million + shipped by the start of may would be realistic.
We're talking sold, not shipped by the way.
You're mixing sold and shipped numbers.
22.3m was shipped for PS4 by end of March 2015.
We don't have a sold through number for then. Also the Xbox One doesn't have any 100% accurate sell in/sell through number as of end of March. I've been able to work out that Xbox One should be in the region of 12.5m-13.5m sold in as of the end of March with 13m being the average.
Also the 7m you stated in the US is a sold through figure and shouldn't be used to compare to a shipped figure.
The gen is pretty much set worldwide. I still feel that America is a toss up. MS has a huge opportunity this year due to Halo 5. I think the 1 TB Xbox One being $399 is a sign that it will eventually replace the 500 GB Xbox One and thus go down to $349 with the 500 GB going to $299 to eventually be phased out. A current gen console with solid third party support at $299 would do well.
But yeah, they don't need to go as crazy with deals as they did last year. The gaming lineup of the Xbox One is far more solid and "move people to current gen"-pushing than last year's. Cheaper console with solid third party support plus current gen entries to franchises that were on the #1 console in the US last gen is going to be very attractive to gamers here who still don't own a current gen console yet.
I guess it depends on whether you are looking at the industry in terms of its survival or terms of it flourishing. For survival the budgets are the issue. Even if smart devices devastate the more casual market for consoles the current budgets are pretty much sustainable with just the current hardcore audience.
In terms of the industry flourishing the demand side issues and competition from smart devices are a very real issue. We can roughly see where Nintendo will stand entering next-gen, around 85% and 60% down from Wii/DS levels and changes to their business model and pricing strategy. However we don't have hard data on the effect convergence will have on Sony/MS consoles. They've done a good job of burning through the hardcore audience so far to get to 30M or so sold through, but they'll be running out of more hardcore gamers and have to start selling to more casual consumers.
If the casual gamers have already left the market then you could find sales of PS4/X1 stall even if there are price cuts to $300 and then to $200. This is the big question that only time can answer. Adults don't have so much leisure time so it's not an easy market to sell to. You could use the rapid decline in last gen as evidence that the casual market has gone, time will tell.
Doctor Professional
Banned
Huh? Didn't Sony announce 20 million sold-through in march?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2477888,00.asp
http://www.polygon.com/2015/3/3/8145025/ps4-sales-20-2-million-units
Also I doubt that they has over 2 million units on shelves when they got to 20 million. I'd say end of April that makes more sense. of course I could be wrong so just let me know.
You need to read my posts with a magnifying glass sometimes haha, it's all in the phrasing. Sony announced 20m sold through at the start of March, not the end of March like I said. The only number for end of March is 22.3m sold in.
22.3m comes from Sony financial report for end of fiscal year.
Also the 14m number hasn't been posted before I don't think. And even if we are looking at sell through the Xbox One won't be at 14m shipped yet let alone sold through.
As before, I believe this is the most accurate representation of sell in for last few console gens including current gen.
http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/jabbamk1/WW 313_zpstzm0h8hn.jpg~original
Doctor Professional
Banned
I think we can expect a 20 million shipped at E3 to- lol.
Yeah ok I seem to have gotten the links mixed up. I wonder if we;ll get some actual numbers at E3, or shipments, or anything. Well, announced to the public.
Maybe, but I wouldn't expect anything
Edit: Um... why have you been banned?
(Of course I'm not expecting you to answer that)
KillerSloth
Banned
Why did Doctor get banned?
michaelius
Banned
Have someone tried to calculate PS4/Xbox sales in USA vs worldwide shipments of those consoles and compared them to PS3/X360 in same period ?
I have a feeling that while USA market for console is shrinking it's at least partially being made up by rest of the world.
I have a feeling that while USA market for console is shrinking it's at least partially being made up by rest of the world.
He did not want to give his Tardis to evilore.
By the end of the generation, the USA accounted for ~30% of PlayStation 2 shipments. PS3 & PS1 are somewhat similar actually. So I'd say that's a good baseline to use at the end of a generation, that around ~30% of the sales from a PlayStation console will be in the USA.
Unlike with Xbox which saw around ~60% of its sales in the USA, 360 which saw about ~49% of its sales in the USA and Xbox One which (using estimates) has seen much more than half of its sales in the USA.
As of March 2015, the sales in USA for PS4 accounts for ~36% of all units sold through worldwide.
I do agree with your final sentence that the console market is becoming more popular outside of the USA.
For more information on this, please see these threads I have written:
PlayStation 4 in the Middle East
PlayStation 4 in China
PlayStation 4 fastest selling worldwide
Melchiah
Member
Huh? There's also Alien, TLOU, REmaster, White Night, and Outlast, with SOMA, Until Dawn, Dead Island 2, The Vanishing of Ethan Carter, and RE: Zero remaster coming this year.
Mister Megative
Banned
........I don't remember him going off the rails or anything. Odd.
I honestly think it's a mistake.