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Splatoon Datamined: Future Weapons, Maps, and Mode information leaked
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Why did you pay it then?
Then buy it when that content is unlocked. This isn't rocket science.
I've already explained why the content isn't just rolled out to sustain player activity (setting aside the whole fact that people complaining about the rollout seem to have no problem with the elephant in the room of lacking population being an issue) - Splatoon is constantly introducing more advanced gadgets and complicated designs that in time would create a huge barrier of entry for a newcomer considering how new of a concept it is and how reactionary people are to any new set of combinations and how it changes the meta game.
The developers have been as transparent as it gets in regards to what has been there on launch. I've had my fair share of reservations towards some of Splatoon's content management but if you paid $60 in spite of knowing fully well how the rollout was going to work, then I'm sorry but that is sorely on you.
It would be great if people would stop calling this Anti-Consumer when it isn't
Making you pay for stuff thats on the Disc is Anti-Consumer
Making you pay for stuff that was supposed to be in the Game is Anti-Consumer
Complaining about not everything being available at once when stuff is being unlocked in a steady pace is being impatient.
It's completly fine to be against this practise, but calling it Anti-Consumer is BS.
At best this is Anti-Completionist.
Making you pay for stuff thats on the Disc is Anti-Consumer
Making you pay for stuff that was supposed to be in the Game is Anti-Consumer
Complaining about not everything being available at once when stuff is being unlocked in a steady pace is being impatient.
It's completly fine to be against this practise, but calling it Anti-Consumer is BS.
At best this is Anti-Completionist.
Yep. Not only that, but everything is online related, no actual downloads. So, even if they allowed for every weapon and map to be used on day one, is not like you'll be able to use any offline, or whenever the servers are shutdown.
Some are disappointed and even raging, because of the idea that when they shutdown the servers, they won't be able to use said content, when even if everything was unlocked day one, they still won't be able to use them after the shutdown.
One thing I didn't see mentioned that was on the guy's twitter is that he found references to S and S+ ranks.
Hell yeah baby. ....
S ranks would be awesome. I feel that even in A+ rank there's often a huge discrepancy in skill, leading to really one sided matches. Close back and forth matches are the most exciting moments in this game for me.
victreeb3l
Member
Thats true. I've been trying out the snipers whenever Bluefin Depot is on with decent success.
GloriousBagel
Banned
So all of the content is on disc and they're making it sound like they're giving away free dlc?
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
BlueSilver
Member
Hence the "minor issues" comment I put there. I realize what may be minor issues for me may be major issues for others, but you have to realize that the Wii U has an abysmal install base for its age. Yeah, it's mostly Nintendo's fault, but the game was released and it has to deal with it. I can't speak for PC since I only own weak ones, but I imagine they have a community comparable to the PS4 or better. Aren't shooters one of the more popular games to play on PC? It's up there IIRC.
Yeah, I've heard the argument about the game being good should keep the community going, but have you seen how shooters do on the Wii U? It's not pretty. Combined with the risk of launching a new IP on a console that isn't selling great, can you blame them for having some fears?
I'm not saying the solution is the best solution, but it's a decent one. The voice chat and personal lobbies are legitimate issues that affect people differently, but the content rollout is so that people don't abandon the game too fast and go back to Mario Kart, Smash, etc. Some people have issues with this, but I don't, especially since we can get pseudo-GAF rooms going. Those are always fun.
...Maybe I'm explaining myself wrong. I dunno.
They're not. You don't download anything. You get online, and said maps are added to the rotation.
So, even if a million maps were in the rotation, you'll only see and use them online.
My suspicion of those complaining is that they have not actually played the game and do not have a full understanding of Nintendo's implementation of these ideas.
I think constantly adding to the experience has engendered a great sense of community that could not have been accomplished any other way.
I think constantly adding to the experience has engendered a great sense of community that could not have been accomplished any other way.
freethoughtbubble
Member
So, wait, I have a question for all the anti-consumer folks in this thread: how is this benefiting Nintendo exactly?
If anything the game's critical reception suffered because of the lack of content at launch. Had they rolled all this stuff them, I'm certain the game would have received a much higher metacritic score, which we all know impacts sales.
You might say that this gradual roll-out keeps players engaged. However, these are the same players that felt the game was worth full-price at launch. Considering the content is "free," this benefit doesn't offset any lost sales due to the perceived lack of content/good-but-not-great reviews.
The most you could say about this is that it's a bone-headed business decision on Nintendo's part. I mean, I wouldn't go that far personally, but I think they could have struck a better balance between pre- and post-launch content. To call this "anti-consumerist," "shady," or the like is just disingenuous in my eyes.
As for me, I honestly don't see what the big deal is. The game has kept me satisfied since launch. The slow roll-out has encouraged me to try out new weapons, and truly master each map. I honestly get excited when they announce new stuff. I guess I'm just a sap?
If anything the game's critical reception suffered because of the lack of content at launch. Had they rolled all this stuff them, I'm certain the game would have received a much higher metacritic score, which we all know impacts sales.
You might say that this gradual roll-out keeps players engaged. However, these are the same players that felt the game was worth full-price at launch. Considering the content is "free," this benefit doesn't offset any lost sales due to the perceived lack of content/good-but-not-great reviews.
The most you could say about this is that it's a bone-headed business decision on Nintendo's part. I mean, I wouldn't go that far personally, but I think they could have struck a better balance between pre- and post-launch content. To call this "anti-consumerist," "shady," or the like is just disingenuous in my eyes.
As for me, I honestly don't see what the big deal is. The game has kept me satisfied since launch. The slow roll-out has encouraged me to try out new weapons, and truly master each map. I honestly get excited when they announce new stuff. I guess I'm just a sap?
Rush2thestart
Member
Do we have any proof that the content is complete?
Why it's disgusting?
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Deleted member 126221
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What? Have they ever said that?
Several of the stages that have been added have already been used in the single player campaign and none of the unlocks so far have required additional DLC or patches to download. Only one patch so far has updated the version of the game.
The game probably checks for an online trigger/alarm and if it's detected, a new stage/weapon etc. becomes available.
Nope. They've only described it as "free content / update events". It's never been advertised as DLC.
The content released so far has just been unlocked, without the need to download anything.
But I doubt that the additional modes are already on disc. They had nothing to show for the Rainmaker in the Direct. And the other one was barely shown.
Rush2thestart
Member
Im not sure how it works, but perhaps the coding wasnt finished? Maybe thats part of the reason they staggered the updates.
This never happened.
So wait, in the online portion of Splatoon, you can only play the maps that Nintendo lets you? And they change it every four hours?
And they're also telling me I can't use content in the game that I paid for until they're ready to let me? Yeah, that sounds like a really great game.
How is the single player? Or is single player mode only available when Nintendo feels like it?
And they're also telling me I can't use content in the game that I paid for until they're ready to let me? Yeah, that sounds like a really great game.
How is the single player? Or is single player mode only available when Nintendo feels like it?
Khaos_Knight
Banned
Only for used copies, if you bought it new then you didn't have to pay for the access. They eventually made it free for used copies.
SatoAilDarko
Member
This isn't all the free content though. There are still additional maps that are being worked on.
Will be my main weapon.
Yeah I'm not about to dispute that. For one thing, the Splatoon Direct seemed to imply that by the end of the summer there should be at least 14 maps, and if 10 is all there is on the disc then there should be more. So there's probably a lot more to it in terms of what's complete there and what isn't.
freethoughtbubble
Member
It really is, that's the scary part o_o
nintendo was very clear from the start that the "complete experience" would involve waiting for maps and game modes to come into the rotation. You and everyone else were armed with the knowledge necessary to make the purchase decision. what's the problem?
this game isn't for you.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
You don't like TV shows too? Because seasons has been finished before they show them weekly.
But if you want you can buy the full season after all episodes have been shown, it is the same with Splatoon.
Yes, it is! And it's extremely addictive. Soon 100 hours in that game.
It's really great, but a bit on the short side. The last boss battle is epic.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
I really wish they gave us all on disc maps and features to us at launch rather than ease them out. I would probably still be actively playing the game. Also wish they'd get rid of the map rotation, it's dumb.
You can play the single player just 2 hours per day. For the rest you play 2 maps that Nintendo chooses, but you don't see them. It's really scary.
It's Nintendo being Nintendo. Hand-holding and controlling. How would you feel if you paid for a bag of Oreo's but the grocery store only gave you a couple from the bag a week? No it's not as bad or anti-consumer as paying for on-disc content or DLC taken from complete games. It's still artificial and annoying though.
POWERSPHERE
Banned
I like the drip feeding. It's keeping me coming back and getting to have some good, solid time with the weapons & levels before new ones are introduced. I don't feel like i'm missing out at all
Nintendo can do this because their games are good. It's not just some any typical Oreos you can find at any store.
The map rotation works due to how the load-outs are handled.
So people think this is news. This has been known since the launch. All major reviews focused highlighted the amount of content at launch as a negative.
Personally Splatoon has been something I wanted to play since it's reveal last year and one of the reasons I bought a Wii U. It's a brilliant game where mechanics are the main selling point.Sure there are maps I don't like but I either don't play those or adapt different tactics.
I think unless you are excited by the concept the way I was when it was revealed you might look at it differently. But I believe that it was made pretty clear from Nintendo and Reviewers that the game won't have much content at launch. If you were in doubt just wait till August, there is no need to be an early adopter unless you are like me. I personally thought this quirky game might have the type of mechanics I've been craving for in an online multiplayer. I could play Port Mackerel for hours in ranked without growing tired of that map.
I wouldn't call the game incomplete - I could have easily played 200 hours online with the current content before growing tired of things. I will take a break at some point and when I return there would be a lot of content to catch up on.
I just don't understand what people are complaining about - everyone playing Splatoon is aware of the amount of content there is for the game. Perhaps some people bought it but are waiting for August to play it, for me playing it with it's current content and more being gradually rolled out is not a problem. I've not paid additionally for that content and was OK with paying $60 for what was released at launch.
The dev had made a decision after probably discussing the game launch internally within the company. I think we are only going to see the dev's true intentions when the August update releases. Personally I can't wait till August - just thinking what an organized team could do on this game is making me excited.
A lot of people play a lot of PC games with very little "content" A LOT because of the depth of the gameplay. Well I think Splatoon is pretty deep.
Personally Splatoon has been something I wanted to play since it's reveal last year and one of the reasons I bought a Wii U. It's a brilliant game where mechanics are the main selling point.Sure there are maps I don't like but I either don't play those or adapt different tactics.
I think unless you are excited by the concept the way I was when it was revealed you might look at it differently. But I believe that it was made pretty clear from Nintendo and Reviewers that the game won't have much content at launch. If you were in doubt just wait till August, there is no need to be an early adopter unless you are like me. I personally thought this quirky game might have the type of mechanics I've been craving for in an online multiplayer. I could play Port Mackerel for hours in ranked without growing tired of that map.
I wouldn't call the game incomplete - I could have easily played 200 hours online with the current content before growing tired of things. I will take a break at some point and when I return there would be a lot of content to catch up on.
I just don't understand what people are complaining about - everyone playing Splatoon is aware of the amount of content there is for the game. Perhaps some people bought it but are waiting for August to play it, for me playing it with it's current content and more being gradually rolled out is not a problem. I've not paid additionally for that content and was OK with paying $60 for what was released at launch.
The dev had made a decision after probably discussing the game launch internally within the company. I think we are only going to see the dev's true intentions when the August update releases. Personally I can't wait till August - just thinking what an organized team could do on this game is making me excited.
A lot of people play a lot of PC games with very little "content" A LOT because of the depth of the gameplay. Well I think Splatoon is pretty deep.
Yeah, I guess not. I was actually thinking about getting it even though I don't play shooters. I was trying to get a feel for what its all about.
I wonder what the COD community would do if Activision started telling them they can only play a certain map online and then in four hours we'll change it for you.
No, it's because their arrogant fanbase always does what Nintendo tells them to do and they like it.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
I wish we could save costume sets and pick the ones we want to use when the map is selected.
Currently it's like this for me, " oh cool, I have some time to play Splatoon!" *I hop on* " great it's two maps I dpn't really want to play with no chance of maps I want to play showing up for a few more hours. Screw it"
Or
"Oh cool! I have some time to play Splatoon." *play for a few matches* "alright, well I'm tired of these maps, I'm off"
It's a silly structure for online play.
But have you tried the Red Velvet Oreo's?
You call Yoshi anemic, bro?
Gold Coins for Cats
Member
To be fair, there always will be a greater outcry for freedoms taken away then freedoms never given in the first place.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
That's true, but for people coming from other competitive shooters to it might feel the same.
Right, you're the smart one and everyone who bought Splatoon is teh dumb.
Where's the arrogance now?
Gold Coins for Cats
Member
I don't think Splatoon is geared towards competitive shooter players, though. Else it would have launched with pre-made teams and voice chat.
Just because its free doesn't make it exempt from criticism. Waiting for Nintendo to unlock game content for me is not a good experience compared to it being available from the start. That's it. From my point of view its poorly thought out and I'd prefer playing the content that's there right now.
I'd like to play the content that's on the disc instead waiting for the arbitrary unlock. Pretty reasonable right?
Here is an extreme scenario: The next Mario comes out and you can only play the first world. Every week the next world is unlocked by Nintendo's servers despite the data being on the disc. They rushed the game out so the last 2 worlds are downloadable for free, but that doesn't really matter because they'll be available months from now, as per the weekly schedule. It's free so why complain right? I am not saying this will happen, just an exaggeration so that you might see the problem, why someone can have criticism for locked on-disc content for a $60 game.
I'd like to play the content that's on the disc instead waiting for the arbitrary unlock. Pretty reasonable right?
Here is an extreme scenario: The next Mario comes out and you can only play the first world. Every week the next world is unlocked by Nintendo's servers despite the data being on the disc. They rushed the game out so the last 2 worlds are downloadable for free, but that doesn't really matter because they'll be available months from now, as per the weekly schedule. It's free so why complain right? I am not saying this will happen, just an exaggeration so that you might see the problem, why someone can have criticism for locked on-disc content for a $60 game.