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[SmokyDave]

Super troubling, super gross, super problematic, super toxic. Got to add that 'super' modifier nowadays or nobody will listen.

I'll be honest, I really don't get what she's on about. Childbirth is dehumanising? Using it as a mechanic perpetuates widespread sexist ideas about pregnant women?

It's almost as if a bot is spitting out some 'random outrage generator' stuff and then posting it to Twitter. I used to read their tweets and either agree or disagree, but I increasingly find myself pulling a rictus grin and then backing away baffled.

 

[Mman235]

When the game came out I saw multiple people complaining that pregnant woman becoming useless during certain circumstances was annoying, but apparently someone talking about it from a perspective that isn't purely mechanical is suddenly worthy of outrage?

 

[Leafhopper]

If it isn't her tweeting I think they should get a better Twitter picture for this account if multiple people are using it.

I think Anita has an issue with confirmation bias.

A bit.

Why do people try and push real life ideals and values into works of fiction? Just stop.

Especially when something isn't being 100% realistic.

 

[rexor0717]

Holy shit, she's turned into a caricature of herself.

Yeah, her recent twitter output has made me do some hard eye-rolling. She has a particular view of how media should be that I just don't share that seems to be detached from feminism.

 

[Linkark07]

The thirst for attention is real.

Was checking Sarkeesian tweets, and found this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610286429390811136

I mean... really?

 

[fantomena]

The more women you impregnate the bigger is the chance you get a baby in the game? Disgusting.

 

[plasmawave]

Yet she wants pregnant women to blow up mutants in fallout shelter? OK....

Obviously not, because that would be totally "guy stuff"

 

[espher]

Because since they are immortal it makes sense gameplay wise otherwise you'd just have an army of immortal pregnant women defending your vault.

I'd imagine we'd have an argument of "the best strategy is to make sure you have a harem full of pregnant women all the time" at that point, which I think would send a far more problematic message.

 

[Zakalwe]

Because it's violent, and a feminist agenda that is supported by pillars of violence is something she doesn't want to be a part of.

Fiction with a strong focus on violence will likely always exist, knowing that how would she like us to represent women in those stories? Or does she believe we shouldn't write violent fiction at all?

 

[Brawndo Addict]

Actually, you can send the pregnant women out to the wasteland armed and armored. This depicts them as strong and resilient. Both spectrums of pregnancy are depicted in this game, and I find no issue with it.

Especially when I have them equipped with power armor and miniguns, and the only threat are raiders with swords or large cockroaches. Social implications aside, the whole thing is poor gameplay wise.

Weird that you can send them into the wasteland but not have them help in emergencies. Can they die when they're sent out or are they just full health forever? If the latter, then yeah, probably should have just let them help in emergencies but never die.

calmly exit when your life is in danger and you can't/don't want to fight back?
I'm a man and in a situation like that i would run like the devil itself is chasing me

People fight the raiders/fires/roaches calmly enough, not sure why they can't retreat in the same manner too.

 

[Inferno313]

She has a non stop barrage of criticism levied at the handling of women almost everywhere.

Maybe not a call to censorship but close.

She's a media critic focused on the treatment of women in games. I mean, I don't always agree with her, but it's kind of her paid position to be a non-stop barrage of criticism levied at the handling of women.

 

[Oersted]

She has a non stop barrage of criticism levied at the handling of women almost everywhere.

Maybe not a call to censorship but close.

Not maybe and not close. She critizes. Thats it.

 

[Leafhopper]

Was checking Sarkeesian tweets, and found this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610286429390811136

I mean... really?

That was a fun one.

 

[Riposte]

Credit to Sarkeesian for not actually saying "super troubling". It's super annoying when game journos add super to phrases like that. I blame California.

EDIT: SmokeyDave beat me lol

EDIT: I'm an idiot, she does say it. Well, it's all trash I guess.

 

[PSqueak]

So, the Fallout Series is like Anita's Kryptonite now? Because she keeps saying dumb things regarding it.

 

[axisofweevils]

I do think she's really gone off the boil recently, which is a shame, because it makes it harder to take her seriously when she does make a good point and just gives the trolls ammo.

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

So Bethesda made the design decision to not allow pregnant woman to die to raiders, etc., thus making them immortal and forcing the AI to remove them from dangerous situations as being immortal would be game breaking and they are penalized in the eyes of some for it?

If they allowed them to die, then people would be condemning this as a baby killing simulator.. Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

Pretty much. I respect her cause but its she's starting to sound loony. You would think Video Games are simply at war with women listening to her and that simply not true.

Its not perfect but the state of women representation in video games is 1000 times better than how it used to be.

 

[Platy]

Doesn't the Fallout series satirise the culture, politics and tropes of the 1950s pretty heavily? This seems like it.

A "separate but equal" mechanic would be interesting for a strategy game like fallout shelter looks to be and fits perfectly with the satire of culture, politixs and tropes of the 1950s....

Do I create a white bathroom or a black bathroom ? =O

 

[benicillin]

How about we stop making threads every time Anita tweets something? Just because she expresses an opinion doesn't make it newsworthy - if she puts out a video or something go ahead, but otherwise it just feels a bit unnecessary.

 

[Uno Venova]

Oh I get it, she's like the 9th season of Seinfeld.

 

[Taker34]

I think those tweets are actually super troubling. There's so much wrong with those statements that I don't know where to start... It's tiring... And it's not the first time either (her Fallout 4 "criticism").

 

[Chariot]

Was checking Sarkeesian tweets, and found this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610286429390811136

I mean... really?

I have similiar issues with Call of Duty and Battlefield. Did you never think "boy, this is a lot of war. This game would be much cooler without kiling nazis."

 

[kunonabi]

This isn't censorship, or even a call to censorship, this is criticism. Show me which tweet says that the game should be removed?

It doesn't have to be a direct call since people now realize that that if they start a big enough whinefest on twitter/tumbler there is a very good chance the material will get changed. It's essentially a call for censorship in practice even if it isn't outright demanding it.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

Weird that you can send them into the wasteland but not have them help in emergencies. Can they die when they're sent out or are they just full health forever? If the latter, then yeah, probably should have just let them help in emergencies but never die.



People fight the raiders/fires/roaches calmly enough, not sure why they can't retreat in the same manner too.

They can die, if I'm not mistaken. I've also seen lower-level, lower-skill workers flee from emergency fires.

So I feel like her intentions were fine, but she probably didn't play enough of the game or explore enough of the options to craft a working criticism.

 

[PumpkinSpice]

Welp, can't argue with that. Pack it up guys, she's right.

It's nice to see something other than Anita hateposts in these threads. I get tired of the only other type of post being "she's not wrong" when "she is right" is more accurate and supportive.

 

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[SerTapTap]

Well that's kind of the thing, isn't it? I mean, I don't disagree that she goes overboard sometimes specifically in that way, but I also see a hell of a lot of people justifying kind of awful or just regressive shit because its "historically accurate" or whatever without regard for the actual, interesting larger conversation about the tone and framing around both individual elements and a piece as a whole. Just because something is "historically accurate" (it probably isn't) doesn't mean that it necessarily "works"

Here's the thing though--not all historical works deliberately show the bad. The Order 1886 had no need to show racism, it's totally not about that. Fallout is entirely about the bad of the 1950s. The xenophobia, paranoia, recklessness. Fallout is 100% a case where they deliberately make use of the shitty aspects of the past.

To my mind, the general lack of female NPCs in the mainline games is more of a problem. It's really noticeable, so much so that even the gendered skills make it obvious--the male targeted ones have far more effects due to the fact you'll be meeting way more of them. There weren't less women in the 1950s or anything so it's not really "historical" or anything like this case either, just a writing problem.

 

[stephen08]

The pregnant women not helping out is probably a balance thing as I don't think they can die so if you had a raider attack for example you could just send all the pregnant women in with no risk.

I don't think the claim about it being reflective of 50's value is a good defense though. The game correctly has it so women and men can perform the same jobs with the same efficacy. In fact, I would argue that female dwellers are more valuable as they can be both workers as well as bear children.

 

[Obliterator]

She's a media critic focused on the treatment of women in games. I mean, I don't always agree with her, but it's kind of her paid position to be a non-stop barrage of criticism levied at the handling of women.

Not maybe and not close. She critizes. Thats it.

To each their own. I'm bouncing the F out of this thread because it will go nowhere and lead to bans soon. No ones opinions will be changed and we will all argue and get hard feeling for like 15 pages before the mods lock it down. Its how this always goes.

I should have never came in honestly but the thread title was so surprising I had to check it out.

Anyways peace and love catch ya all in another more chill thread

It doesn't have to be a direct call since people now realize that that if they start a big enough whinefest on twitter/tumbler there is a very good chance the material will get changed. It's essentially a call for censorship in practice even if it isn't outright demanding it.

Yep, you get it

 

[TechOne]

Was checking Sarkeesian tweets, and found this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610286429390811136

I mean... really?

Killing enemies with your house confirmed?

 

[Kyzer]

Yeah so sexist. Damnit why aren't these pregnant women empowered enough to risk their lives with me

 

[lensoftruth]

God these people are boring

 

[Moff]

Because it's violent, and a feminist agenda that is supported by pillars of violence is something she doesn't want to be a part of.

ouch. I used to agree with her a lot and I am still glad she does her job the way she does. you don't need to agree with her on every issue she brings up.
but she is dead wrong about fury road and some of her comments about violence here make me question her bigger picture.

 

[Skele7on]

FYI Antia they also get 100% happiness when pregnant..

Also wouldn't an expectant mother want to protect her unborn child from harm?

 

[stupei]

lol

I guess she doesn't realize the goal is to "repopulate this great country"

the children also run away from fires, roaches and raiders. so I guess this game is also child-ist?

Wait, your argument is to compare adult women to children? That's what makes it less problematic?

Really?

I don't actually think she's wrong, but it also didn't trouble me especially because of the overall tone of the setting. But this defense is really off base and misses the point by about a mile.

 

[Aaron D.]

She has a non stop barrage of criticism levied at the handling of women almost everywhere.

Maybe not a call to censorship but close.

Umm...

 

[Nugg]

Pregnant women can't die. Just like kids. And it's a ESRB rating thing, not a statement nor a choice. Even games like GTA won't go down that road. So, as a result, to avoid exploiting that fact, they also cannot take part in any activity where losing health can happen.

 

[galvatron]

It's beginning to seem like you need a little "/s" watermark in the corner of any digital depiction of parody that when clicked displays the author's actual world view and artistic goals of the project in plain language...

 

[SmokyDave]

Killing enemies with your house confirmed?

Eh, it worked for Dorothy, why not?

 

[ThreePiMatt]

She's gone full-PETA. In theory everyone would agree with her base ideas, but after years of saying the same thing people stop paying attention and she has just spout of craziness to get people to listen again.

 

[pants]

I have similiar issues with Call of Duty and Battlefield. Did you never think "boy, this is a lot of war. This game would be much cooler without kiling nazis."

I've always wanted to play a call of duty game where your duty is to run down to the local grocer and buy milk while avoiding pitfalls such as the pub, the chip shop and or a round of pool with the mates. .

 

[backflip10019]

Was checking Sarkeesian tweets, and found this:

https://twitter.com/femfreq/status/610286429390811136

I mean... really?

Imagine if instead of using it to survive in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, Fallout 4's crafting system could be used to create Rosie the Riveter buttons.

 

[Majukun]

Because it's violent, and a feminist agenda that is supported by pillars of violence is something she doesn't want to be a part of.

aaand now I'm unable to take her seriously anymore,thanks gaf..
I just needed the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back..you gave me an haystack

 

[Opto]

She has a non stop barrage of criticism levied at the handling of women almost everywhere.

Maybe not a call to censorship but close.

pffffttt hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Mesoian]

Fiction with a strong focus on violence will likely always exist, knowing that how would she like us to represent women in those stories? Or does she believe we shouldn't write violent fiction at all?

If I had to speak for her, which I can't, I can only assume, but if I did, I would assume that she would want violent stories to not be glorified, the act of violence itself not held up as the core foundation of the story you're telling. In real life, violence is something that we are attracted to, but ultimately chastise in society, and there's very little representation of that in games, movies, tv, etc, or if there is that, it is usually because the focus of the story is somewhere else so far removed from the act of violence that the act itself isn't important enough to focus on.

TLR - she wants more stories that are specifically interesting not because of the violence but because of how people react to violence.

That being said, Fury Road was fucking rad and everyone should see it.

 

[Aztechnology]

Because it's violent, and a feminist agenda that is supported by pillars of violence is something she doesn't want to be a part of.

So violence is a male thing by nature? Also as fun as it is to watch her burn the last bit of credibility she has, it's probably a good idea to stop talking about her on GAF. Eventually someone better will come along to continue the cause that isn't quite so... Irksome. In the meantime we're just keeping her IV attached by doing these things.

For those who say it may not actually be Anita running the twitter, isn't it still technically her twitter. If she doesn't support what the crazy is saying, she should probably lock him out of it.

 

[-tetsuo-]

It is almost as if fallout is based on a different time period

 

[MartyStu]

She is not entirely wrong. The entire idea behind the game is kind of weird, and a little icky.

And even if you disagree with her, I do not think any of what she says is so unreasonable that the reactions some give her would be warranted.

Then again, I really do not follow her work, so maybe she has been unreasonable in the past?

 

[Interfectum]

Sheesh... she really needs to learn to pick her battles or her message is going to get muffled by crying wolf way too often.

 

[Supermanisdead]

The game depicts people, women and men, as these weird inhuman parodies of the 50s. They all act stupid and like lemmings. It's basically you running an ant farm.