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June 2015 NPD (U.S. Hardware) Predictions - Closes July 14th

Tsosie

Member
I am just curious. I know the gap is currently about 700k between the systems, what did the gap look like going into June NPD last year?
 

GnawtyDog

Banned
Too predictable a month.

PS4>XB1>Wii U
Batman Arkham Knight > than all.

Interested in the gap between PS4 and XB1. 100K+ gap and we shouldn't be far from pre-November 2014 #s.

The gap shrank by about 550k-600K in those two months.
 
What's your opinion of SuperData?

Chartz of the Digital space.

They seem to do a good job when it comes to creating a view of the digital landscape worldwide and they work with a number of organisations in the industry to help determine their results. They claim to have POS data as well.

I can claim to have climbed Mt. Everest and have a Ferrari.

From what I've seen they're good at providing a general overview but I'm not sure how accurate they are for each individual title/publisher.

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ZhugeEX

Banned
Chartz of the Digital space.



I can claim to have climbed Mt. Everest and have a Ferrari.



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Haha, I guess that's one way to put it.

Although I wouldn't say it's as bad as Chartz. There is clearly some work that they've put in. But it's clear that they don't have enough data to create accurate data at a detailed/individual level.

Their general overview of total digital sales revenue does seem to add up though. The core issue is though that none of the big 3 provide sales data to SuperData and so the overwhelming majority of what they have in their reports is estimates based on limited data/extrapolation and not POS data like they claim.

My personal stance is they are good for a general overview, but not to be taken seriously for tracking individual game/publisher sales/revenue.
 
It was about 600k

Makes me wonder why all the pubdentry seem to favor MS's approach then when the last 12 months have shown that focusing just on holidays is not going to close the gap. If anything they are losing more and more ground.

Generally I would say comparative sales are not important so long as each company is hitting their forecasts. However, MS relied on being tops in the territory last gen to leverage externally developed exclusives, and was able to do that early this gen as well. Take that away and you have a far less enticing product.
 

ZhugeEX

Banned
Seriously though. At the title level, it is as bad if not worse.

Well I'm bias against Chartz so nothing is worse then them in my eyes haha.

Especially since they messed up the Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires sales numbers by claiming the game had sold 15,000 in the USA BEFORE THE GAME EVEN CAME OUT!

You don't try and fool a musou fan like me haha.

Makes me wonder why all the pubdentry seem to favor MS's approach then when the last 12 months have shown that focusing just on holidays is not going to close the gap. If anything they are losing more and more ground.

Generally I would say comparative sales are not important so long as each company is hitting their forecasts. However, MS relied on being tops in the territory last gen to leverage externally developed exclusives, and was able to do that early this gen as well. Take that away and you have a far less enticing product.

Both the PS4 and Xbox One are tracking higher than their predecessors and will want to continue that + be the cumulative sales leader. Hence why MS are fighting for it.
 

Miles X

Member
Well I'm bias against Chartz so nothing is worse then them in my eyes haha.

Especially since they messed up the Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires sales numbers by claiming the game had sold 15,000 in the USA BEFORE THE GAME EVEN CAME OUT!

You don't try and fool a musou fan like me haha.



Both the PS4 and Xbox One are tracking higher than their predecessors and will want to continue that + be the cumulative sales leader. Hence why MS are fighting for it.

Shame there are certain people here that believe their numbers! They're totally guess work.
 

ZhugeEX

Banned
iirc Aqua had similar thoughts on Superdata also.

Yup, her thoughts were pretty much in line with mine and Cosmic's.

It's a bunch of estimates at an individual title level (as they don't get data from the big 3 in regards to digital downloads), but for the overall digital market it uses a lot of publicly available data and other research to be quite accurate.
 
I have no idea who the alts are referring to, but it looks like I chose poorly (I've used Dr Bass for years though, it's my Xbox Handle and my license plate has a variation of this).

No real guesses on my part for this month in terms of numbers but I do expect PS4 to "win".
Doctor fish
Garra rufa, also called doctor fish, nibble fish, kangal fish, and bonefish is a species of fish that lives and breeds in the pools of some Turkish river systems and hot springs.

Seems safe enough...
 

Kayant

Member
Yup, her thoughts were pretty much in line with mine and Cosmic's.

It's a bunch of estimates at an individual title level (as they don't get data from the big 3 in regards to digital downloads), but for the overall digital market it uses a lot of publicly available data and other research to be quite accurate.

Yh I remember her rightly correcting me.
 
Well no one wants to be a Lenny, but the thing is if you are a Lenny you will never know it until you finally squeeze your hand tight. So I just plan on staring at my open hand for this evening.

You really shouldn't be afraid to post. It creates an unhealthy community and atmosphere. I can be confrontational as fuck honestly if I believe I'm right. Its all about how you do it. Obviously as a Junior be smart about it but if you have an opinion on numbers or something about performance you want to share do it. Don't let other posters intimidate you.
 
You really shouldn't be afraid to post. It creates an unhealthy community and atmosphere. I can be confrontational as fuck honestly if I believe I'm right. Its all about how you do it. Obviously as a Junior be smart about it but if you have an opinion on numbers or something about performance you want to share do it. Don't let other posters intimidate you.
As long as juniors don't post BS opinions as fact, they should be fine.
Disagreement is okay, making stuff up is not.
 
Here's a fun last minute prediction game.

Batman Arkham Knight: Higher or lower opening number than Arkham City? Go!

As long as juniors don't post BS opinions as fact, they should be fine.
Disagreement is okay, making stuff up is not.

Someone should post whatever they want. If it gets out of hand then they should get banned. If they feel intimidated what does that say about "Sales GAF"
 
It's a bunch of estimates at an individual title level (as they don't get data from the big 3 in regards to digital downloads), but for the overall digital market it uses a lot of publicly available data and other research to be quite accurate.

It's Pachter forecasting. At a total market level it's fine, but get into details and it all turns to shit.
 

Tsosie

Member
You really shouldn't be afraid to post. It creates an unhealthy community and atmosphere. I can be confrontational as fuck honestly if I believe I'm right. Its all about how you do it. Obviously as a Junior be smart about it but if you have an opinion on numbers or something about performance you want to share do it. Don't let other posters intimidate you.

Oh no, I am not actually afraid to post. I am not really tied to one system or the other. I am interested in sales data because of my previous career. The empty hand comment was just me trying to find a clever way to link to the Lenny joke.
 
Here's a fun last minute prediction game.

Batman Arkham Knight: Higher or lower opening number than Arkham City? Go!



Someone should post whatever they want. If it gets out of hand then theu sh9uld get banned. If they feel intimidated what does that say about "Sales GAF"

Higher. I'd be really surprised if it was lower.
 
Oh no, I am not actually afraid to post. I am not really tied to one system or the other. I am interested in sales data because of my previous career. The empty hand comment was just me trying to find a clever way to link to the Lenny joke.

Ah that's good :)
 
Here's a fun last minute prediction game.

Batman Arkham Knight: Higher or lower opening number than Arkham City? Go!



Someone should post whatever they want. If it gets out of hand then theu sh9uld get banned. If they feel intimidated what does that say about "Sales GAF"
Lower. Bundles will hide a lot of sales.
Do we count all platforms combined? City was ps360 too, knight is current gen only, right?
 

Savantcore

Unconfirmed Member
Has this been posted?

While we’re waiting for the full NPD report, we have the first news about last month’s leaders. Sony has announced that it had the lead for both console sales and hardware in June.

The publisher cites popularity of the Batman: Arkham Knight console bundle as a major driving force. “PS4 continues to lead console sales in the U.S. and globally and we would like to thank gamers worldwide for their continued dedication to the PlayStation platform,” a representative told us via email.

We’ll have more on the June United States retail report from NPD as it’s available.
 
My sources are telling me that Xbox One sales increased a 300%, while PS4 sales increased 299%.

The PSVita sales increased 3600%, due to no games. PSVita won the NPD.
 
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