Thanks for the clarification. This explains a lot
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Sony's outdated Trophy policies are affecting achievement parity with other platforms
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Thanks for the clarification. This explains a lot
The examples you provide sounds more like a developer/publisher either not knowing/caring about getting trophy/achievement parity. The Yu-Gi-Oh trophies all being bronze have to be just out of spite than anything else.
I wish MGS V Ground Zeroes was getting a Platinum though -- it would look nice with a full PS3/PS4 set of Platinums for MGS series.
Speaking of Mega Man, I'm surprised that Mega Man 10 doesn't have a Platinum, just for Mr. Perfect trophy alone.
I wish MGS V Ground Zeroes was getting a Platinum though -- it would look nice with a full PS3/PS4 set of Platinums for MGS series.
Speaking of Mega Man, I'm surprised that Mega Man 10 doesn't have a Platinum, just for Mr. Perfect trophy alone.
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Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Agreed. This was particularly annoying with $15 PSN releases las gen. Some games you could get almost all achievements in 30 mins, there was no challenge.
Viruz
Member
Thank you for the insight.
maniac-kun
Member
Freedom of speech.
The problem with Sony now is since they're the market leader they don't seem to really feel the need to react as much as MS.
There's a whole lot of stuff that should be improved with the PS4 like the poor quality of the controller, online only trophy list, no playing from external hd support and so on, but nothing has been done.
There's a whole lot of stuff that should be improved with the PS4 like the poor quality of the controller, online only trophy list, no playing from external hd support and so on, but nothing has been done.
The Baron Count
Member
Nobody ever does dude, nobody ever does.
Well complaining while continuing to give them your money doesn't send any message at all. Your complaints fall on deaf ears until it impacts their bottom line.
In these case at least the OP is misleading.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
As a Sony fan and owner of a PS4, I definitely feel that Microsoft's system is better. Every game deserves a platinum trophy. Can't believe Galak-Z has like 11 trophies and no plat...
Pandora012
Member
I don't understand the big deal about trophy's/achievements. Do they do something, if you get alot of them?
How did you ever play games before achievements? Yes, they're there now so having a better system is better than a bad one, but damn. People used to play games to play games. If a meaningless trophy list is what gets you excited about a game, there's something wrong.
Andrefpvs
Member
This is interesting, and goes against what FuturLab said a few years ago:
http://www.futurlab.co.uk/velocity-2x-will-include-a-platinum-trophy.htmlVelocity 2X will include a Platinum Trophy
by James @ FuturLab on January 30, 2014 in Game Design, PS Vita, PS4, Tease, Velocity 2X
In case there was any doubt, Velocity 2X will feature a Platinum Trophy, confirmed today by Sony. We haven’t thought of a name for it yet. Perhaps you could suggest one in the comments. Good luck trying to top ‘Show Thumb Respect’
Three cheers for Ben Andac for putting together its case within Sony, and a retrospective thanks to Lorenzo Grimaldi who managed to secure the Platinum for Velocity Ultra =)
They had to have people within Sony appeal for the Platinum.
See above
Jawmuncher
Member
I agree OP. With all of the improvements Sony has made, for some reason Trophies seem to be behind in terms of progress. A game is a game and the idea that only certain ones qualify for a platinum trophy is behind the times.
Even with different packages apparently at this point platinum should be the standard.
Even with different packages apparently at this point platinum should be the standard.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
So what developer is complaining?
Achievements/Trophies are the least of their worries.
Achievements/Trophies are the least of their worries.
Then how about reading the OP.
If you don't care about trophies/achievements, know that I truly respect your opinion (I even partially agree), but please consider not participating in this thread. Or, at the very least, please try to contribute more than a simple "Who cares?"
Or is that to difficult for you?
((Hades Hotgun
Banned
I find the lack of support for couch co-operative trophies to be another issue which displays lack of parity.
My wife and I played lots of games together on 360 and we both unlocked achievements, but on PS3 and now continuing on PS4, only the first player gets trophies in most games we play. It is needlessly annoying to have this only work on a game by game basis with PS4 given how it always worked on 360.
My wife and I played lots of games together on 360 and we both unlocked achievements, but on PS3 and now continuing on PS4, only the first player gets trophies in most games we play. It is needlessly annoying to have this only work on a game by game basis with PS4 given how it always worked on 360.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
The Baron Count
Member
I don't get how people don't get this at this point.
Games themselves have increasingly become very completionist-centric. Trophies are just another fun way to scratch that itch. People were 100 percenting games before just for fun, this just gives them a universal checklist for their library and in the case of Trophies in particular, you get to see your level go up.
It's just satisfying.
I'm not going to avoid buying a game without a platinum, but it is pretty disappointing when games don't have one. Especially with digital games moving into the $19.99 bracket; I was surprised when I saw Galak-Z didn't have one.
Is your wife logged into her account on PS4? Nearly every game I've played co-op has earned trophies for both players, even when the other player was set to Guest.
Is your wife logged into her account on PS4? Nearly every game I've played co-op has earned trophies for both players, even when the other player was set to Guest.
AuthenticM
Member
agreed
funkystudent
Member
Achievement / trophy spam is super annoying so I am ok with this. If anything I just with Sony was clear on what games get full lists versus smaller lists since its super scatershot right now.
Some downloadable games give you one for every little action. So dumb.
Some downloadable games give you one for every little action. So dumb.
lazer_bean
Member
read the OP and edit your post because it makes you look stupid as it is.
I never really went after trophies except for the games I really liked so I never noticed that. It seems weird now that you point it out and, yeah, it must be annoying if you like trophies
Jawmuncher
Member
It better if it's just a matter of choice.CSD2 with a platinum trophy maybe
That's where I sit with it. I'm not here dying over this, but i'll call it out.
The Albatross
Member
Apparently you care enough to enter a thread and post about it.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Wasn't really aware of this until I read the (fantastic) OP. 100% agree
This really bothered me with Resident Evil 4 HD on PS3/360. 1000 points on 360 and only a few bronze trophies on PS3. I wanted a platinum in one of the best games of all time!
People that don't read OP's and reply based on a thread title are the worst thing about GAF. The OP specifically aimed the topic at people that do care, and even bothered to include a 'TLR'.
This really bothered me with Resident Evil 4 HD on PS3/360. 1000 points on 360 and only a few bronze trophies on PS3. I wanted a platinum in one of the best games of all time!
People that don't read OP's and reply based on a thread title are the worst thing about GAF. The OP specifically aimed the topic at people that do care, and even bothered to include a 'TL
R'.Pandora012
Member
Sorry, I just never payed attention to things like that. I guess it can be fulfilling to know that you've done everything.
Trigonometrize.
Member
Whatever dude.
This needs to be posted a million times in most threads. I'm not a huge trophy/achievement fan myself but I know lots of people who do, one of my friends loves trophy hunting. Why shit up a thread about something you don't care about? Find one you do care about and post there instead.
Quick related question. Outside of the number and type of trophy awarded, are most trophies pretty much analogous to their Xbox achievement counterparts, or do developers have to put in something different on the Sony version?
I agree.
E.g. Civilization V has 287 achievements and I think that's justified, given how long you can play that game.
darkblade77
Member
You have reading into a tweet from the beginning of 2014, versus a developer directly stating on record how it goes, today. I'd go with the latter.
For games released simultaneously, achievement and trophy lists usually have the same number (+1 platinum for PS) and the same requirements.
giant_frying_pan
Member
They could discontinue trophies and I wouldn't care. I get that they're neat/useful/important for a lot of people, but there's other PSN stuff I'd want improved first.
Shining Sunshine
Banned
Well, I'm with Chubigans on this one. I've made trophy pack files, and it's as easy as flipping a switch from a plat game or a non-plat game.
I'm sure the devs wanted to, they can have their games have a platinum and Sony won't object.
The thing is that trophy bugs can easily fail your game at certification. If I had a choice with my games, I would make as few trophies as possible, and that's why Sony is giving the choice.
I'm sure the devs wanted to, they can have their games have a platinum and Sony won't object.
The thing is that trophy bugs can easily fail your game at certification. If I had a choice with my games, I would make as few trophies as possible, and that's why Sony is giving the choice.
The Baron Count
Member
Yeah, not everyone cares about it obviously. But it's fun for me to do things like set out to get all the platinums in a series like GoW and watch my level go up. The fact that there are different values for the different kinds of trophies with the platinum being the highest value makes it even better. I even platinumed Ascension which I kind of hated a lot of the time.
I stopped caring about achievements years ago honestly after my score started to get to a certain point, Trophies were designed with a smaller overall value so it's much easier for me to feel like I am making progress.
Best excuse for thread shitting: but muh freedom!
Wow I never even knew this was a thing. Come on Sony fix this!
Maybe I'm wrong, but this is a private forum. I don't think freedom of speech applies.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this is a private forum. I don't think freedom of speech applies.
MegamanPoweredUP
Member
I approve this message.
I do remember hearing about having to "fight" for your chance at a Platinum back in the day, but it's definitely not like that anymore.
Yeah I can see the Mega Man managers who are in charge of the cert account ticking off the "smaller game" box and thereby restricting their options for trophies as a result.
InsaneTiger
Member
Sony has that problem of not communicating for a long period of time, then suddenly burst forth with a ton of info that addresses most complaints but pass over a couple minor requests.
Becomes pretty annoying.
Becomes pretty annoying.
Clearly you since you posted.
drotahorror
Member
I'm not sure how Sony does their trophies.
Some small indie games have platinums. Rogue Legacy, Sound Shapes, Resogun, Geometry Wars 3, N++ to name a couple.
Then games like Galak Z which is hard as balls doesn't have one.
Some small indie games have platinums. Rogue Legacy, Sound Shapes, Resogun, Geometry Wars 3, N++ to name a couple.
Then games like Galak Z which is hard as balls doesn't have one.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Then you also haven't read the OP. Congrats on being a borderline shit-poster.
Captain Smirk
Member
So Trine 2 takes 30 minutes to platinum...thank OP will do at some point