There's an exploit in OoT3D?
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Ironfall Invasion temporarily removed from European 3DS eShop
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There's an exploit in OoT3D?
Technoweirdo
Member
Nintendo enforced region restrictions in the first place. It's also Nintendo who pulled Ironfall off eShop, not smea. If Nintendo was the one who found the exploit, it'd still be pulled.
It's not smea's fault.
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If the worst thing Ironhax (or any variant) enables is SNES emulation via homebrew and thus potential SNES ROM piracy, I'd say it was unreasonable of them to remove it when you consider that there are far easier and better avenues for SNES piracy, avenues that Nintendo has little control over, avenues that have been around for a pretty long time. The impact should be negligible.
Meanwhile, best thing about Ironhax is enabling importers to play the games they legally own copies of. Way I see it, it's like they don't want people buying games i.e. missing oppurtunities to easily make back any losses created by the small niche that wants SNES piracy specifically on 3DS. The importing community can't be -that- small.
It's not smea's fault.
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If the worst thing Ironhax (or any variant) enables is SNES emulation via homebrew and thus potential SNES ROM piracy, I'd say it was unreasonable of them to remove it when you consider that there are far easier and better avenues for SNES piracy, avenues that Nintendo has little control over, avenues that have been around for a pretty long time. The impact should be negligible.
Meanwhile, best thing about Ironhax is enabling importers to play the games they legally own copies of. Way I see it, it's like they don't want people buying games i.e. missing oppurtunities to easily make back any losses created by the small niche that wants SNES piracy specifically on 3DS. The importing community can't be -that- small.
PumpkinSpice
Banned
Ninjhax enables homebrew, which enables CFW hacks, which enable direct 3DS piracy. Ironhax will do the same.
I have a Ninjhax hacked 3DS but it doesn't get much use. It'll be nice if the homebrew community picks up and there are more interesting things to do with it at some point.
Dunnymeister
Member
Does it matter who did it? It was going to happen eventually since the code was exploitable. Prevention is better than cure, if you want your product to remain available for sale you make sure it works.
As a side note - I wonder how many extra sales the exploit pulled in?
Yeah, but they just got thousands of download over the last week and hopefully some sales off of that.
Pokemaniac
Member
That's not really how this works. Being able to directly run unsigned code on the system vastly increases the attack surface which could be used for other more unsavory things. Security flaws are serious business and Nintendo/VD-dev are taking the correct course of action by trying to fix this.
According to pre release trailers, the engine for IronFall is written 100% in assembly. Considering the code works at all, it probably is at least somewhat clean (as clean as assembly can get, at least), but fixing this issue could really suck.
Technoweirdo
Member
Yeah, digging around, CFW does allow running pirated 3DS games, but said CFW doesn't seem to like running on 3DSs with system versions higher than 9.2 -- and Ironhax is designed specifically for those on 9.9.
Might do so in the future (I hope not) but, at least for now, Ironhax won't allow 3DS piracy. I stand corrected on the variants though.
Region restrictions with the 3DS aren't going to go away, simple as that, since there are likely numerous contracts behind it with retailers and markets. No matter how much people poke and prod at the code.
All this did was get a dev's hard work pulled from the store front. (Also looks like he might have actually gotten himself into trouble... that or Nintendo decided to hire him, lol.)
Worthintendo
Member
The big thing I worry about with this is that its going to make it harder for games to get on the eShop and we'll see even less stuff.
Glad I upgraded to the full version earlier today before it all got taken off.
Glad I upgraded to the full version earlier today before it all got taken off.
It's a free game and they got a couple hundred thousand downloads on the first day the exploit was announced. That's as much as in the entire lifetime of the game before.
They know what's happening and they're happy about it.
They likely made more money from being the exploit game than as a forgotten, mediocre game on the eShop if even a tiny fraction of those who downloaded IronFall now bought some DLC.
Hitoribhoshi
Member
one word : Sky3DS.
1. Sky is not very effective against latest games. (or so they say in the "scene")
2. Ironfall exploit is actually looks like the same thing with Cubic Ninja exploit.
3. Before Ironfall exploit was found, they also found that Ocarina of Time 3D also has the same exploit.
So there are three games now that produces same exploit thus enabling to run homebrew code, custom themes and most importantly region free gaming on the 3ds/n3ds.
2. Ironfall exploit is actually looks like the same thing with Cubic Ninja exploit.
3. Before Ironfall exploit was found, they also found that Ocarina of Time 3D also has the same exploit.
So there are three games now that produces same exploit thus enabling to run homebrew code, custom themes and most importantly region free gaming on the 3ds/n3ds.
Hitoribhoshi
Member
yeah the 2 newest games, FE Fates and Animal Crossing Home Designer don't work...but every other imported games on the 3DS does. (and a new sky3DS or assimilated with an updatable fw will come out eventually in order to fix that AP scheme)
(that being said I don't own a sky3ds)
(that being said I don't own a sky3ds)
thisIt's a free game and they got a couple hundred thousand downloads on the first day the exploit was announced. That's as much as in the entire lifetime of the game before.
They know what's happening and they're happy about it.
They likely made more money from being the exploit game than as a forgotten, mediocre game on the eShop if even a tiny fraction of those who downloaded IronFall now bought some DLC.
people forget this is a free game
many people here didn't even bother to try the game , that game is not very good
but thanks to the exploit , they gain alot of download
my guessing they gained more then 500000 downloads from the announcement of the exploit to yesterday , that about 12 days ?
sixteen-bit
Member
the fear is real
So you think people downloading a dev's free game and then never playing it is... a good thing?
They only get money if users go on to spend $10 on either single player or multiplayer, which none of the people interested in the exploit are doing.
Going by the overall reception of the game no one else was doing so either so I don't see what your point is.
People are trying to pass this off as a good thing for the devs. I don't think there's a horde of people wanting to get in on spending $20 on this game in the future, but it being removed from the eShop limits whatever legitimate audience this title might have had left. There isn't any way you can spin this as being a good thing for the dev team.
you should try playing the game
i downloaded the game day one , played the first level , never opened the game again
i also tried the game with the circle pad pro , it was better , but still not good
people forgot this game even exist , don't worry
the game will be back om the eshop soon
redmetal86
Member
I should have downloaded the update. Now I can't try the multiplayer. :/
The devs literally thanked everyone who downloaded the game after the announcement of the leak. YOU are the one trying to spin this here.
And if you read their thank you, the devs ask the new users to spend $10 for the multiplayer. Which they did not, since its not needed for the exploit. I'm sure the devs are having a ton of fun with the zero dollars they just earned. They can take that money and spend it on salaries for the time they'll need to patch the game so it can go back on sale.
you can play mutiplayer for free
the 10$ for the full mutiplayer maps and full single player
The game will be unavailable for a week or two, you are acting like it will never come back.
Ironfall released to little to no fanfare and was entirely forgotten a couple weeks after launch. It's a game that already was at the end of its lifespan - and now got a tremendous amount of exposure due to the exploit. Will it result to a huge amount of actual sales? Probably not. But they likely still have sold more copies in the last few weeks than they had before and being unavailable for a short time won't change this.
The biggest sales problem of Ironfall is still rooted in the fact that it is a game people only ever cared for due its graphics and yet they made it F2P. I know a lot of people who downloaded the game when it launched, and yet I know no one who wanted to continue playing after the first level... I'm sure they would have made more money if they actually charged a couple bucks for the download.
Doczu
Member
Please tell me how much money would they earn if all those people wouldn't download that game during those 12 days. The same amount. So if 300.000 (or more) people downloaded the game and some of them paid 10 or 20 bucks to unlock the singleplayer/multiplayer because they tested it and found it fun, then made money. And we don't know how many of these people bought the dlc.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Well that's a shame.
The Red Wizard
Member
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tkscz
Member
I played the game, it isn't that bad. It's not amazing, but it's not horrible. It's an ok handheld TPS that I did pay the $10 for. But honestly, if the multiplayer is anything to go off of, I'm the only one who did.
As for the hack, I agree that while a massive amount of people downloaded it, VD Dev won't see a cent out of it. Unless these people start feeling sorry for VDD, no one will pay for it, just use the exploit.
Technoweirdo
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Learning new things every day...
stan423321
Member
It is a little more complicated. There is a save file ROP exploit known, but unlike Cubic Ninja and presumably Ironfall there is no in-game method of installing it, so eShop version is safe unless you already have some sort of attack vector (with a cartridge, you can buy a save "cheat" device). And then, there are rumours of multiple versions of the game with varying vulnerability, but I can't verify this.
The exploit has been used by Gateway team in firmware 9.2 to launch a kernel mode exploit, and apparently remains operable, since smealum announced a port of ninjhax2 to it.
Junahu
Member
More than one person can exploit a vulnerability. Someone with honest intentions getting to it first does not stop anyone else from making a more nefarious exploit out of it.
No one, for whatever reason, should be persuaded to download that app.
True. Cannot believe they even bothered. Was it fully done by Factor V or does it just use their streaming technology?
The YouTube app is just a rebranded original 3DS browser. Its exploitability has been known for quite some time. You can literally exit YouTube by clicking on any link that points outside its walled garden. For example, in the Licences and Terms section of the app there's a link to Google itself.
Why tell people not to download it, though? It's only 100 blocks, so telling people not to download it is rather counterproductive. At most, they can delete it if the exploit doesn't work.
Actually now that Ironfall can't be downloaded, it kind of does. Only Smealum followers who downloaded the game will be able to make use of any future exploits from other people. He's severely limited the future audience of people who want to use Ironfall for piracy.
Hitoribhoshi
Member
Exactly.
YT will probably let ppl install ironhax without Cubic Ninja or ZeldaOOT3D (and let you launch homebrew with wifi on)
My guess is iron hax will be the offline thing.
isn't the YT app thing thread worthy over here ?
You do realise that was just a tongue in cheek dig at the awfulness of the app right?
Hitoribhoshi
Member
Might be related : https://github.com/yellows8/3ds_browserhax_common/blob/master/README.md