The Smash Ballot was never meant to be an election, it's a glorified suggestion box. Not once did Sakurai or Iwata ever imply that the winner of the ballot would get in the game. That being said, I'd be willing to bet that Sakurai would at least seriously consider the Top 10-20 characters. But winning the ballot doesn't mean that said character is guaranteed to be in the game. It's a common misconception, so I can get why you'd jump to that conclusion.
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In a curious development, was Professor Layton just leaked for Smash 4 DLC? [Rumor]
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Dr. Buni
Member
And as I said, I disagree. I think Alucard is far more iconic.
Wait, that thing about the Chorus Kids was legit? Were they considered to be playable in Smash 4?
I'd love this very much.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yes, it's legit. They found the spaces that are designed for Ice Climbers and Rhythm Heaven in Emblem list.
Why yes, yes they were. Granted, we don't know for sure if it was the Chorus Kids or not. But considering the Gematsu leak & the fact that we have evidence that Chrom was planned for a while to be playable (or at least for longer than Sakurai originally implied), the Rhythm Heaven rep in question being the Chorus Kids isn't that much of a stretch.
Nice pick! I never considered Style Savvy before. Personally I would love a playable rep from Paper Mario and/or Chibi Robo, but those are probably more of a stretch than the others I listed.
Dr. Buni
Member
Interesting. I would love to know why the idea of a RH representative was scrapped. I want to believe they went back to it and developed the character to release it/she/he as DLC, but I also don't want to be disappointed again.
Edit:
Shin Onigashima, Code Name S.T.E.A.M., Famicom Detective Club and Yūyūki.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
For Relia,
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/01/26/smash-4-wii-u-data-discoveries/
Chibi Robo definitely have a lot of potential since he could draw so much from his own game, and he actually got his own amiibo before most of the franchises did. Hopefully his chance would be better for DLC or Smash 5.
http://www.sourcegaming.info/2015/01/26/smash-4-wii-u-data-discoveries/
Chibi Robo definitely have a lot of potential since he could draw so much from his own game, and he actually got his own amiibo before most of the franchises did. Hopefully his chance would be better for DLC or Smash 5.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Nobody outside of Nintendo knows the actual poll numbers.
I don't even like Alucard more than Simon though. You were just assuming things about me. ^_~ The thing is that I rarely even see Simon being mentioned outside of Smash discussions, while Alucard (as well as Soma Cruz) are often mentioned when the subject is Castlevania. That said, I don't think Alucard would be the Castlevania rep should there be one. I think it would be either Simon or Soma Cruz, but I think it should be Dracula
Sorry if I made a faulty assumption but then if it isn't a personal a preference thing, why then? Ryce dropped a bunch of truthfacts and your counter is basically "I disagree". Ostensibly, the story of the Castlevania series is the struggle of the Belmont family versus Dracula and the forces of Evil that serve him. Different allies and adversaries jump in and out of the spotlight over time but the Belmonts are still where the fight started and they are involved either directly or indirectly in the narrative of basically every (canonical) game of the series. Of the Belmonts, Simon and Richter get the most reoccurring roles and between those two Simon is not only the progenitor of the series (though technically not of the bloodline) but he has had more overall exposure than Richter. The Belmonts and the Vampire Killer are quintessential Castlevania and Simon stands above all other Belmonts.
Your personal experience is not that of the entirety of the video gaming population nor does it counter the points Ryce has brought up. Even if you started with SOTN, neither Alucard nor the Igavania formula represent the entirety of the series, especially the classical aspects of the series Sakurai would want to tackle if Castlevania ever made it into Smash.
Professor Beef
Banned
Can't say I'm pleased since I'm not a Layton fan in the slightest, but hey. More characters is more characters.
WiiRevolution1
Member
Its mainly because there is only one game that plays like Smash. If Indies/niche Japan studio/Capcom/Namco got together and made a Indies/niche Japan studio/Capcom/Namco Smash crossover where anything goes most Smash picks would move pver to that game. Prople love Smash, but in a odd twist of fate Smash is it. Noone else wants to make a Smash game for some reason. I really wonder why. Does anyone know if Smash costs more or less to make than other fighting games? I've always wondered. With Hazards and all items/assists/Pokeballs I guess Smash costs more, but on a fighter to fighter stance I wonder which costs more.
Coffee Dog
Banned
Because the actual answer is just the opposite: smash is the only thing like smash, because nobody cares about the gameplay. The gameplay has been attempted to be replicated in other titles but unless you have an all star cast like smash nobody will give it the time of day.
Smash isn't smash because it's a hybrid fighting/action/platformer game, it's smash because it's all your favorite nintendo characters duking it out.
Karsticles
Member
Who else has replicated the gameplay successfully?
PASBR was an enormous failure in this regard.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Jump Ultimate Superstars is pretty fun, although it works a bit differently.
And has a roster of iconic characters like Goku and Luffy, so maybe it doesn't rely on its gameplay much either.
And has a roster of iconic characters like Goku and Luffy, so maybe it doesn't rely on its gameplay much either.
WiiRevolution1
Member
The gameplay has never attempted to be replicated, no other games has a percentage that goes up that increases your chance of getting knocked off the stage. There is literally nothing like Smash except for fan games.
And while I love the characters, I wouldn't have played over 300 hours on Smash 3DS if I didn't like the gameplay. The gameplay is so good that its actually stopping me from beating other games.
Edit: Now I must youtube some Jump Superstars video because I wanna see of theres actually anther game in the Smash genre. Would be great just to see that it exists. Thanks for the heads up ^^.
Please show me witch titles because I even made OLD threads about smash bros clones and all of those failed to replicate the gameplay of smash.
They always try something diferent because whatever and usualy fail (SPECIALY Sony Smash Bros)
Lord Azrael
Member
Uh, definitely not. The gameplay is a huge draw. The reason there is nothing else like Smash is because even if you did replicate the gameplay perfectly, though, there would be no reason to play that game over Smash because Smash also has its cast ON TOP OF the gameplay.
While a HUGE selling point is the cast and PS All-Stars was certainly hurt by some key cast omissions, I feel gameplay is super important too. The issue is that a lot of developers have tried the "smash formula" but because they were afraid of being called copycats, they changed it up for the sake of variety. Unfortunately, those changes are almost always for the worse. Having worse gameplay (or just gameplay people like less due to preferences) AND having a weaker cast is what kills things.
OricWindstar
Member
Sure it's been mentioned, but perhaps most importantly, we would be getting some of the fucking amazing soundtrack. Layton's Theme is one of my favorite video game pieces of all time.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yeah, I mean this is anecdotal but I know I loved smash before I knew who even pikachu was because it's fun. Then you see people loving Lucas/Marth/Falcon despite never nearing of them before because they like using them in Smash. The roster and especially the gameplay work to make smash what it is.
Dr. Buni
Member
My sole argument here was that Alucard is the character I see mentioned the most when it comes to Castlevania. It is probably because Castlevania only got really huge with Symphony of the Night on the PlayStation (and the fact said game is the most popular in the series certainly helps). I don't think there are ways of gauging the "iconicness" of a character, so what I am supposed to use as argument? All I can say is that this has nothing to do with my preference, otherwise I would have said Shanoa is the most iconic Castlevania protagonist, since she is my favorite.
Thanks.
(It is Reila, though)
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
I think Dissidia: Final Fantasy has successfully made a different but unique character action fighter. These games are really underrated and have just as much content as Smash WiiU.
PASBR was a fail before it even came out. They tried so hard to justify the super only kill mechanic and nobody was buying it.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
My apologies! I didn't realized that I spelt it wrong! >.<
I wonder if they could make the moveset out of Famicom Detective Club or Hotel Dusk as PhoenixWright-ish moveset like he had in UMVC3?
Professor Layton would be a great addition to Smash Bros.! Though I haven't really played any of his games (I own Professor Layton and the Miracle Mask but I've barely played it), I've always thought he should be in Smash post-Brawl. I didn't think there was much of a realistic chance of that happening, though, since he's kind of in that weird gray area between third-party and first-/second-party. I mean, yes, technically he's third-party, but he's essentially a Nintendo character regardless of that, having only appeared on Nintendo systems with his games being published by Nintendo outside Japan. It's kind of comparable to Mega Man on the NES, but even more closely related to Nintendo.
If you compare him to the other third-party characters in Smash, no, Professor Layton isn't quite on the same level in terms of being iconic. To be fair, though, Professor Layton is a much newer character and franchise than PAC-MAN, Ryu, Mega Man, or Sonic, and you could argue that Professor Layton is a modern gaming icon. But regardless, maybe we shouldn't be comparing Professor Layton to other third-party characters, but rather to other Nintendo characters, since he essentially is one in many ways. In that regard, I think he definitely fits in and deserves a place in Smash.
Plus, Professor Layton would finally bring some good Nintendo DS representation to the roster. For Nintendo's most successful system, the DS sure is underrepresented in Smash Bros., at least when it comes to fighters. Currently, Lucario is the only character born on the DS in Smash Bros., and it's not even from a franchise that originated on Nintendo DS. While I've been (and still am) hoping for Chorus Kids as a DS rep, Professor Layton fills that role even better, coming from a franchise that debuted on the DS. Actually, I can't think of a better character to represent the Nintendo DS than Professor Layton.
If you compare him to the other third-party characters in Smash, no, Professor Layton isn't quite on the same level in terms of being iconic. To be fair, though, Professor Layton is a much newer character and franchise than PAC-MAN, Ryu, Mega Man, or Sonic, and you could argue that Professor Layton is a modern gaming icon. But regardless, maybe we shouldn't be comparing Professor Layton to other third-party characters, but rather to other Nintendo characters, since he essentially is one in many ways. In that regard, I think he definitely fits in and deserves a place in Smash.
Plus, Professor Layton would finally bring some good Nintendo DS representation to the roster. For Nintendo's most successful system, the DS sure is underrepresented in Smash Bros., at least when it comes to fighters. Currently, Lucario is the only character born on the DS in Smash Bros., and it's not even from a franchise that originated on Nintendo DS. While I've been (and still am) hoping for Chorus Kids as a DS rep, Professor Layton fills that role even better, coming from a franchise that debuted on the DS. Actually, I can't think of a better character to represent the Nintendo DS than Professor Layton.
There's no way you actually believe this.
I've been waiting for this, but where's the discussion?
Currently the video is unlisted because they are making an update to it. I'd say it's coming soon.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Yo Derick fucked up. He didn't know about the original response.
Edit: Ah, if they're updating the video I guess somebody already pointed it out. He's still gonna be super skeptical though like always.
Bought the first Layton, never finished it, sold it, and haven't touched the series since because it's always too pricy. I prefer Ace Attorney for this kind of game, but there's no doubting that Layton's visual style would make him a perfect fit for this game. If you consider him "2nd party" there's basically no problem with him being there.
Anyone in 2015 still thinking a character will or won't make it based on anything in their heads need a reality check. Sakurai does not have a formula for who is on what "level" to fit in smash or any of that. In fact he will go out of his way to surprise you just because people are dumb enough to think they figured out sakurais "formula" for which characters can or can't be in smash
The inner workings of Sakurai's thought process is an anomaly. So much so that I gave up trying to figure it out.
woopWOOP
Member
I have no clue how Layton would fight, much like I had no idea how they'd handle the Duck Hunt dog pre-reveal.
For that reason alone I kind of want it to be true.
Simon Belmont would be the 3rd party newcomer that'd make me stand up and do a fistpump however. None of those fruity Metroidvania characters will do.
But really, to me the roster's pretty complete already, I'm almost fine with anything else that'd get added at this point.
For that reason alone I kind of want it to be true.
Simon Belmont would be the 3rd party newcomer that'd make me stand up and do a fistpump however. None of those fruity Metroidvania characters will do.
But really, to me the roster's pretty complete already, I'm almost fine with anything else that'd get added at this point.
XxSlasherMcGirkxX
Member
Dr. Buni
Member
https://twitter.com/LaytonSmash/status/635547308357230593/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
The first one. Professor Layton and the Curious Village
It is okay.
Famicom Detective Club sure, but for Kyle Hide I think a less goofy moveset would be more suitable. Is Kyle Hide a first party character btw?
Yea, Gamexplain doesnt know what they are doing. They need to stop making so many discussing and news 'videos' and stick to analysis >_>
Release order, so Curious Village first.
Beelzebufo
Banned
It's all Derick's fault.
balladofwindfishes
Member
Well there's that I guess.
Maybe he had to make grunts and funny sounds and assumed it was for Smash?
Yeah, their take on it doesn't jive with the order that the tweets went out. Why deny it first and then confirm it a month later?
Hardly a guarantee that Layton's in, of course.
Welp, there it is.
https://twitter.com/LaytonSmash/status/635547308357230593/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
The first one. Professor Layton and the Curious Village
It is okay.
Famicom Detective Club sure, but for Kyle Hide I think a less goofy moveset would be more suitable. Is Kyle Hide a first party character btw?
Beelzebufo
Banned
So he recorded the lines for Smash Bros but he doesn't know if they'll actually be used. Level 5 must be bugging Sakurai to put him in
Dr. Buni
Member
Or he recorded voices for Layton but he wasn't told for what game the voice work is. He must know it isn't for an actual Layton game, at least.
He did? My bad then.
Beelzebufo
Banned
No but he said he recorded lines for Smash, just that he doesn't know if he's in Smash or not