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David Cage is not the sole writer or director of Detroit: Become Human
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dragonbane
Member
Which was likely entirely written by Cage just for this trailer, given that the writers left after finishing their script duties. This is typical trailer voice over that is not part of the actual game script.
Probably not possible considering they left last year after finishing the script. They probably didnt work on the marketing materials that much.
Well, as you can clearly see, its not. Its a 4 man show.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I agree with this.
XANDER CAGE
Member
FWIW, I think I've come down a bit on my opinion of the shower/underwear scene stuff in these games. It's a very French cinema trope, and I think the biggest issue with this series of games is less the existence of nude characters showering and whatnot, it's just the general hammy/trashy vibe those scenes give off when the rest of the games are typically trying to be serious American dramas set in the states. It's a tone thing I guess.
Still, the concepts for these games are so out there I'd rather see QD try and mess up than not try at all, although Detroit doesn't look like it's making any strides in the presentation department even if they are shaking up the writing. It looks mad corny.
Still, the concepts for these games are so out there I'd rather see QD try and mess up than not try at all, although Detroit doesn't look like it's making any strides in the presentation department even if they are shaking up the writing. It looks mad corny.
DangerMouse
Member
Me too.
Also, this has great potential too, mixing in the strengths of three writers with Cage as overall could be great too.
meanspartan
Member
Oh absolutely, especially after Ex Machina did it.
Well not shower I guess, just general nudity.
I've always been thinking Cage should stick to designing his games and stop writing them. I admit the two are closely interwoven in each of Quantic Dream products, but working closely with a good writer would greatly improve what Cage is doing. Now it remains to be seen if he really wants to give away some of his control and if they hired actual good writers.
Yup and Beyond was just as amazing. Cage is fantastic and so are his games
timetokill
Banned
The less writing Cage does, the better. Hopefully this is a situation where they're all coming up with ideas and on the same level, and it's not Cage throwing his weight around and making them make his pervy female character scenes "believable."
KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Didn't Beyond also have multiple writers? Or am I misremembering. Because it didn't save that game.
*mentions the biggest plot hole people have gripes with, and hand waves it away*
"No plot holes!"
*mentions the biggest plot hole people have gripes with, and hand waves it away*
Dragon Puncher
Member
Makes sense after the shitshow that was Beyond: Two Souls.
All the other David Cage games have been at their weakest as soon as supernatural elements started being introduced (and not explained properly). If this sticks to a more straight forward sci-fi plot, I still believe it could turn out pretty great.
Nope. Cage was the sole writer and director of that game.
All the other David Cage games have been at their weakest as soon as supernatural elements started being introduced (and not explained properly). If this sticks to a more straight forward sci-fi plot, I still believe it could turn out pretty great.
Nope. Cage was the sole writer and director of that game.
And what exactly is the plot-hole in those scenes? I saw it as a contrivance but not an impossibility or contradiction which is what plot holes are. too many people think plot hole = unexplained development, when that's never the case. A plot hole is when something happens that can't actually happen because continuity/physics/law is broken.
Okay it is super hokey, but my headcanon was actually that
Ethan's psychological trauma left him mentally ill, and during his blackout/personality twists he goes to that location where he wakes up everytime, and because the killer stalked him for years, he used that to give Ethan the clues.
Sephiroth_VII
Member
I guess you find quite a few movies creepy then?
Vlaphor
Member
Fbh
Member
The character wakes up in the rain, holding the same origami that the killer uses and with no memory of the past few hours. This is shown as a major plot point and also results in both the character and the audience thinking that he might actully be the killer.
Nothing about that plot point is ever explained, the whole thing has no impact on the story and the whole issue is never brought up again. How is that, in any way, NOT a plothole?
Yes, I know it has an explanation and that they made changes to the story late into development. But that's not an excuse!. If you take out a major plot point from the story you take out all of it, you don't leave half of the scenes in there. Imagine if Darth Vader had just disappeared in the middle of Empire Strikes back and never shown up again and then George Lucas was like "yeah we had a whole plot with Vader which involved a hidden relationship with Luke and Leia. But then late into production we decided to take him out"
dragonbane
Member
It didnt. Cage wrote the entire scenario and most of the dialogue. Only some ambient and foreign dialogue was written by other people.
...then you need to re-do pretty much the entire second half of the game though. They should have just kept the explanation tbh. Games are way too costly to re-do a big chunk of it just because of story reasons. Even if its warranted, a game publisher wont be as understanding as a movie publisher would. Keeping it in there seems like it was the best option, but maybe Sony saw the Fahrenheit backlash and decided it was not going to happen and opted to create a massive red herring instead.
Yeah, this only really works if
Shelby has a split personality. The game does hint towards the fact that he is suffering from that, but it should have been spelled out more if thats what he was going for.
That's not even the worst one tho!
What about the fact that you can
read the thoughts of the goddamn killer the whole game, and he's thinking about catching the killer, who is him, TO HIMSELF!
dr_rus
Member
A bit unrelated, but how did David Cage become such a personality within video games? I mean he has only made like three or four games I think, and yet his name is as recognizable as Kojima or Miyamato in the video gaming community. With video games, you don't really know the "director" or the head honcho of a game sans the really big ones like Specter, Miyamoto etc. so how did Cage become so big, seeing as most people don't even like his games?
Its like when someone says "David Cage" around here you immediately know who he is, no google search needed. Heck, I have never even played a game by Quantic Dream but I know who cage is.
Its like when someone says "David Cage" around here you immediately know who he is, no google search needed. Heck, I have never even played a game by Quantic Dream but I know who cage is.
Cyber Caesar
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dragonbane
Member
He was the sole face of his titles for the longest time. Western publishers are generally apprehensive about that and dont like auteurs to emerge and undermine their authority. Hence not many exist. Cage managed to push through by being pretty charismatic, delivering convincing pitches to publishers and actually managed to deliver as well. His work always releases on time and on budget and mostly sees great critical and commercial success for the budget they have. They are vanity products for a lot of publishers and Cage was smart enough to built an efficient studio that can create them on a AAA level while not requiring a mountain of cash. He is still very unique in that aspect and also surrounded by smart business men.
He will continue to get work for quite some time despite his infamous status. Cause he is a good game producer.
Chance Hale
Member
In that both are fake?
Well, yes, but the parallels are there.
SallyIsNow
Banned
David Cage is to video games what Vince Russo is to wrestling.
The shower scenes? What about the forced rape scenes?
Chuck Norris
Banned
What else have these writers worked on?
I only remember that bar scene from Beyond what other scenes?
The Visit was decent so maybe there is hope for dear old Mista Cage.
Soyongdori
Member
That's too bad because David Cage shouldn't be anywhere near anything that has to do with writing a script.
Oh yeah I just had that filed under 90's thriller.
