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Media Create Sales: Week 43, 2015 (Oct 19 - Oct 25)

Game Guru

Member
The highlighted would make more sense if:

1) There were actually any competition in the dedicated handheld market. There's none.

2) If the west (mainly developers) cared anything about dedicated handheld devices. Right now they don't care much about them. Then there's the general public and how happy they are using smart devices for gaming on the go.

Regarding the public reaction to the device and time for adjustments. i think the MS blunder is affecting your judgement here and in any case it had more to do with a politic than anything related to the console itself. Historically Nintendo is less influenced by public reactions, that's why we have devices that tend to defy market trends from them more than the other 2 hardware manufacturers.

I think Nintendo knows that so long as their handheld is on par in power with the Vita, is able to run UE4, and is easy to port to, they will be able to get whatever is left of Japanese support on dedicated devices. Any Japanese developer that doesn't want to support Nintendo's next handheld would be better off just imitating Konami and go all-in on mobile as soon as possible. Their gimmick and what they hope is going to help them is that these handheld games will also appear on their console because of the shared OS. It's actually quite similar to MS's plan actually. MS is focusing on a single Windows ecosystem which PC, Xbox and mobile will share in and Nintendo is focusing on the NX ecosystem they are making which includes their handheld, console, and mobile. This is also them both taking advantage of a major flaw that Sony has as their PlayStation ecosystem will eventually just consist of only the PS4 since both PS3 and Vita will die natural deaths and Vita will have no successor. Sony doesn't even have any real mobile division as well. Yes, Sony's sold the most consoles, but that could very well be a Pyrrhic victory as MS makes effectively Windows HTPCs under the Xbox brand in the future and Nintendo's console can also run their handheld games.
 
nintendo has been sacrificing marketshare for profitability for years now, look the wii u's price, we can be certain they'll try to squeeze as much as they can out of them, especially when this buys them time to get nx as ready as possible, it makes the most sense
 

horuhe

Member
Talking about NX, there is a new article by Nikkei Business.

The most intersting part, in my opinion:

従前のゲーム専用機の概念を超えた次世代機が、ナイアンティックの技術も活用する可能性は十分にある。

Possibly NX could take advantage from Niantic technology, it seems.
 
Talking about NX, there is a new article by Nikkei Business.

The most intersting part, in my opinion:



Possibly NX could take advantage from Niantic technology, it seems.
wasn't this pretty much a given when they announced the funds they raised from google/pokemon/nintendo? why else would they give them the money

oh crap completely missed the nx part of it, my bad!

still i think nintendo would be using them for nx support eventually either way if pokemon go does well

nintendo seems to be very experimental these days i feel, from ip leveraging to partnerships with technology companies that they usually don't associate with like DENA and Niantic

i think they'll be trying their luck with bigger players like google in the near future as the market is so diverse these days with the technologies used to create new types of experiences, this harkens back to the wii/ds philosophy that they're so keen on

even just things like the emphasis on unified os architecture to true account-based system when the consoles and games have yet to be released shows they're starting to understand the core concerns of the consumers, it's about time they started fixing the stigma of outdated hardware or policies that makes them a joke to the core gamers, i hope their next big focus is on western third party support as that has to be the longest and biggest stigma they've faced than anything else besides maybe the kiddy games image, even though that is their main market
 

horuhe

Member
Splatoon up and SMM down. Will be interesting to see how much it will reflect in actual sales.

Well, last week I said that Splatoon even being higher than Mario Maker, that wouldn't say anything to us. However, I'm pretty much sure Splatoon will sell better this time.

I think it has more to do with the fact that Wii U is getting low sales due to the Splatoon Bundle wait and October being a bad month overall, so it could affect, of course, to software sales (Mario Maker).
 
last week


Splatoon up and SMM down. Will be interesting to see how much it will reflect in actual sales.

04./03. [WIU] Super Mario Maker # <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.09.10} (¥6.156) - 15.817 / 337.039 (-26%)

06./05. [WIU] Splatoon <ACT> (Nintendo) {2015.05.28} (¥6.156) - 13.159 / 737.478 (-10%)

splatoon take over is certain this week

Well, last week I said that Splatoon even being higher than Mario Maker, that wouldn't say anything to us. However, I'm pretty much sure Splatoon will sell better this time.

I think it has more to do with the fact that Wii U is getting low sales due to the Splatoon Bundle wait and October being a bad month overall, so it could affect, of course, to software sales (Mario Maker).
that would mainly affect splatoon sales not smm, yet splatoon is set to overtake it anyway, splatoon relies more on hardware sales as it is new buyers mainly now, while smm still has a large pool of wii u owners to sell to

any potential loss sale of smm due to people waiting for splatoon bundle affects both games equally at worse and only splatoon at best
 
I think Nintendo knows that so long as their handheld is on par in power with the Vita, is able to run UE4, and is easy to port to, they will be able to get whatever is left of Japanese support on dedicated devices. Any Japanese developer that doesn't want to support Nintendo's next handheld would be better off just imitating Konami and go all-in on mobile as soon as possible. Their gimmick and what they hope is going to help them is that these handheld games will also appear on their console because of the shared OS. It's actually quite similar to MS's plan actually. MS is focusing on a single Windows ecosystem which PC, Xbox and mobile will share in and Nintendo is focusing on the NX ecosystem they are making which includes their handheld, console, and mobile. This is also them both taking advantage of a major flaw that Sony has as their PlayStation ecosystem will eventually just consist of only the PS4 since both PS3 and Vita will die natural deaths and Vita will have no successor. Sony doesn't even have any real mobile division as well. Yes, Sony's sold the most consoles, but that could very well be a Pyrrhic victory as MS makes effectively Windows HTPCs under the Xbox brand in the future and Nintendo's console can also run their handheld games.
When do you see all of this coming into play? How many years from now? I think Sony would be fine with continuing to sell millions of consoles over the course of this generation.
 

horuhe

Member
that would mainly affect splatoon sales not smm, yet splatoon is set to overtake it anyway, splatoon relies more on hardware sales as it is new buyers mainly now, while smm still has a large pool of wii u owners to sell to

any potential loss sale of smm due to people waiting for splatoon bundle affects both games equally at worse and only splatoon at best

I think that Mario Maker sales are directly related to Wii U hardware sales, since if Wii U sells better Mario Maker also will sell better, and if it sells bad I don't think Mario Maker software (without bundle) could absorb the drop. In this case, is selling worse than last week, and next week numbers will be lower than this week numbers, so we could assume Mario Maker selling worse than last week.
 
I think that Mario Maker sales are directly related to Wii U hardware sales, since if Wii U sells better Mario Maker also will sell better, and if it sells bad I don't think Mario Maker software (without bundle) could absorb the drop. In this case, is selling worse than last week, and next week numbers will be lower than this week numbers, so we could assume Mario Maker selling worse than last week.
smm barely raised wii u sales, it's been mainly splatoon thats driving the hardware sales, which shows splatoon is the one thats gonna be the hit the hardest if wii u hardware sales are slow

just based on raw numbers alone splatoon is stretching out the wii u userbase whereas smm numbers are only half of that and still has a larger pool of wii u owners to sell to

splatoon is carrying smm, not the other way around so theres no way smm will be affected more than splatoon

if new wii u owners are buying the system for smm then splatoon would drop harder than smm with lower wii u sales, but that isn't the case
 
if their aim is to maximize profits then it should be out by now, as every other third entry has released after 2 years, by delaying it til next year they'll just have less time to sell the game before nx comes along, all for the sake of what? 10th year anniversary?

There's notable reasons to believe that Z was indeed intended to be coming out at the end of the year, and didn't make it for whatever reason- the heavy promotion of Z with the anime and Tretta despite no Z game having been announced is the big one.

I don't understand why you'd think it's more likely that there's no Z game at all, though- yes, a release at the end of this year would probably make more money than at the start of the next, but even that's still a large amount of sales for a comparatively small amount of work.
 

horuhe

Member
smm barely raised wii u sales, it's been mainly splatoon thats driving the hardware sales, which shows splatoon is the one thats gonna be the hit the hardest if wii u hardware sales are slow

just based on raw numbers alone splatoon is stretching out the wii u userbase whereas smm numbers are only half of that and still has a larger pool of wii u owners to sell to

splatoon is carrying smm, not the other way around so theres no way smm will be affected more than splatoon

I think you misunderstood my point, haha.

What I was trying to say, (sorry, for my bad english) is that Wii U sales drive Mario Maker sales, not the opposite. I know Splatoon drove Wii U hardware sales. My relation stuff was refering to the opposite direction. The hardware influencing the software.
 

hiska-kun

Member
Tsutaya's Ranking Week 44 2015

01./00. [PSV] God Eater: Resurrection <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)
02./00. [PS4] God Eater: Resurrection <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)

03./01. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: TriForce Heroes <ADV> (Nintendo)
04./00. [PSV] Yomawari <ADV> (Nippon Ichi Software)
05./03. [3DS] 7th Dragon III Code: VFD <RPG> (Sega)
06./05. [WIU] Splatoon <ACT> (Nintendo)
07./04. [PS3] Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami)
08./06. [WIU] Super Mario Maker <ETC> (Nintendo)
09./15. [3DS] Picross 3D 2 <PZL> (Nintendo)
10./00. [PS4] NBA 2K16 <SPT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan)
11./07. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch Busters: White Dog Squad <ACT> (Level 5)
12./08. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Mojang AB)
13./10. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team <ACT> (Level 5)
14./02. [3DS] PriPara Mezase! Idol Grand Prix No.1! <ACT> (Takara Tomy)
15./00. [PS4] God Eater: Resurrection (Crossplay Pack & Animation Vol.1) <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)
16./11. [3DS] Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon <RPG> (Nintendo)
17./12. [3DS] Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King <RPG> (Square Enix)
18./09. [PS4] Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami)
19./14. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer <ETC> (Nintendo)
20./16. [3DS] Famista Returns <SPT> (Bandai Namco Games)
20./13. [PSV] Tokyo Xanadu <RPG> (Nihon Falcom)
 
ds was a beast and when dslite came around it was still in shortage, people were glad to even buy one, 3ds isn't in the same situation

dslite was like the second coming of jesus whereas 3ds is the crucifixion

DSLite came out from nowhere, if they would have announced before year's end people would have been waiting
I think people who bought a DS and after 3 weeks they heard about a new and better version were not so happy
nintendo surely maximized profits but from a consumer point of view it was not so fair, especially when the product was selling like hotcakes
 
I think you misunderstood my point, haha.

What I was trying to say, (sorry, for my bad english) is that Wii U sales drive Mario Maker sales, not the opposite. I know Splatoon drove Wii U hardware sales. My relation stuff was refering to the opposite direction. The hardware influenting the software.
oh i get u, sorry my bad, theres been alot of smm vs splatoon talk lately, so that was my fault i interpreted ur post differently

There's notable reasons to believe that Z was indeed intended to be coming out at the end of the year, and didn't make it for whatever reason- the heavy promotion of Z with the anime and Tretta despite no Z game having been announced is the big one.

I don't understand why you'd think it's more likely that there's no Z game at all, though- yes, a release at the end of this year would probably make more money than at the start of the next, but even that's still a large amount of sales for a comparatively small amount of work.
i never said there will be no z game, i said if 3ds version isn't out by end of the year it'll be a nx title instead as driving the nx userbase is a better choice than maximizing profits but i guess since we're dealing with gamefreak here who also has their say might opt for maximizing profits instead

either way, i just think if it isn't out by the end of the year then it looks like they've changed their plans in some way, as i don't see a good reason why they would delay it to next year rather than releasing it this year if it is 3ds bound, i dont see a good reason for them to do that
 
Tsutaya's Ranking Week 44 2015

01./00. [PSV] God Eater: Resurrection <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)
02./00. [PS4] God Eater: Resurrection <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)

03./01. [3DS] The Legend of Zelda: TriForce Heroes <ADV> (Nintendo)
04./00. [PSV] Yomawari <ADV> (Nippon Ichi Software)
05./03. [3DS] 7th Dragon III Code: VFD <RPG> (Sega)
06./05. [WIU] Splatoon <ACT> (Nintendo)
07./04. [PS3] Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami)
08./06. [WIU] Super Mario Maker <ETC> (Nintendo)
09./15. [3DS] Picross 3D 2 <PZL> (Nintendo)
10./00. [PS4] NBA 2K16 <SPT> (Take-Two Interactive Japan)
11./07. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch Busters: White Dog Squad <ACT> (Level 5)
12./08. [PSV] Minecraft: PlayStation Vita Edition <ADV> (Mojang AB)
13./10. [3DS] Yo-kai Watch Busters: Red Cat Team <ACT> (Level 5)
14./02. [3DS] PriPara Mezase! Idol Grand Prix No.1! <ACT> (Takara Tomy)
15./00. [PS4] God Eater: Resurrection (Crossplay Pack & Animation Vol.1) <ACT> (Bandai Namco Games)
16./11. [3DS] Pokemon Super Mystery Dungeon <RPG> (Nintendo)
17./12. [3DS] Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King <RPG> (Square Enix)
18./09. [PS4] Winning Eleven 2016 <SPT> (Konami)
19./14. [3DS] Animal Crossing: Happy Home Designer <ETC> (Nintendo)
20./16. [3DS] Famista Returns <SPT> (Bandai Namco Games)
20./13. [PSV] Tokyo Xanadu <RPG> (Nihon Falcom)

Wow, 7th Dragon somehow holding even better than last week? I mean without the new games it'd actually be #2. It's a lot lower in the comgnet chart at 11 and the chart on Rakuten is a bit all over (PriPara is a lot higher and 7th Dragon isn't on it at all).

Hopefully Sega restocked (it'd have been practically OOS last week at over 90% sold so likely it was restocked) and hopefully it'll have legs.
 

Maniel

Banned
Wow, 7th Dragon somehow holding even better than last week? I mean without the new games it'd actually be #2. It's a lot lower in the comgnet chart at 11 and the chart on Rakuten is a bit all over (PriPara is a lot higher and 7th Dragon isn't on it at all).

Hopefully Sega restocked (it'd have been practically OOS last week at over 90% sold so likely it was restocked) and hopefully it'll have legs.

Hopefully it can at least outleg 7th Dragon 2020-II.
 
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3ds left, phone right

comparison images between phone and 3ds

really wasn't expect the 3ds version to look less clearer than the mobile's

maybe better in motion :/
 

horuhe

Member
Wow, 7th Dragon somehow holding even better than last week? I mean without the new games it'd actually be #2. It's a lot lower in the comgnet chart at 11 and the chart on Rakuten is a bit all over (PriPara is a lot higher and 7th Dragon isn't on it at all).

Hopefully Sega restocked (it'd have been practically OOS last week at over 90% sold so likely it was restocked) and hopefully it'll have legs.

Sorry for not updating Rakuten with more info. 7th Dragon is 17th, there. So yes, I think Tsutaya is having more 7th Dragon sales than the other two.
 
DSLite came out from nowhere, if they would have announced before year's end people would have been waiting
I think people who bought a DS and after 3 weeks they heard about a new and better version were not so happy
nintendo surely maximized profits but from a consumer point of view it was not so fair, especially when the product was selling like hotcakes
ds and dslite plays the same games

wii u/3ds and nx is a whole different generation, it doesn't matter when nintendo unveils the nx, everybody knows the nx is a next-gen console, u can't blame anyone for buying a previous gen console if a next-gen console gets announced, it's not like nx will get surprise released the way dslite did

and no even if nintendo did announce the dslite earlier, it wouldn't have changed anything, the ds was experiencing severe shortages that people would still be buying the original ds

u know how theres still a few thousand people buying consoles despite a price-drop announcement? theres no shortage and yet they still buy it

now imagine a console being out of stock for years, where thousands of people are waiting in line every week just to get a hold of one, do u think they will be willing to wait longer?

they want to play the games, it doesn't matter if it's a dsphat or dslite, it's simply just hardware, nothing more

DSL Launch:

Week 1
DSL 68000
DS 49000

Week 2
DS Lite: 83,000
DS: 49,000

Week 3
DS Lite: 99,372
DS: 56,216

Week 4
DSL 119,986
DS 39,307

Week 5
DSL 149,371
DS 59,903
look at all those burnt people buying DS when the DSL is out

if u worried less bout the psp you would have payed more attention to the overall market =]
 
i never said there will be no z game, i said if 3ds version isn't out by end of the year it'll be a nx title instead as driving the nx userbase is a better choice than maximizing profits but i guess since we're dealing with gamefreak here who also has their say might opt for maximizing profits instead

either way, i just think if it isn't out by the end of the year then it looks like they've changed their plans in some way, as i don't see a good reason why they would delay it to next year rather than releasing it this year if it is 3ds bound, i dont see a good reason for them to do that
There's absolutely zero chance that Z moves to the NX. The whole point of the third versions is that they make heavy use of extant assets and mature knowledge of the console's development process to make some quick and easy money- if you're putting a game on a whole new platform, then you make it a new generation. This is, of course, not to mention that they wouldn't be starting up the promotion now for a title that's coming to a platform that hasn't even been officially announced yet- even if it was delayed, it'd be late enough in the day that there wasn't enough time to change publicity plans.

As for why it isn't making this year... Maybe development's taking longer than expected? Maybe they've tried to smooth the engine out and have hit difficulties? Maybe they're hoping to spur larger sales by tying the release into a year-long anniversary publicity drive? Maybe they were spooked by comments about XY and ORAS and delayed the game to stuff more content in? There are many possible explanations that don't involve Game Freak throwing their standard business model down the toilet.
 

Game Guru

Member
When do you see all of this coming into play? How many years from now? I think Sony would be fine with continuing to sell millions of consoles over the course of this generation.

The next generation... Sony's already won this generation in terms of consoles. However, various players are setting up shared ecosystems for games that include a set top box as well as their major platform. Not just MS and Nintendo, but companies like Apple, Google, and Valve as well. They are all coming at it from different directions, but the same result of being more concerned about active paying users in regards to games instead of mere hardware or software sales. All Sony has now is consoles and the hope that PSNow and PSVR will ultimately be successes.
 
There's absolutely zero chance that Z moves to the NX. The whole point of the third versions is that they make heavy use of extant assets and mature knowledge of the console's development process to make some quick and easy money- if you're putting a game on a whole new platform, then you make it a new generation. This is, of course, not to mention that they wouldn't be starting up the promotion now for a title that's coming to a platform that hasn't even been officially announced yet- even if it was delayed, it'd be late enough in the day that there wasn't enough time to change publicity plans.

As for why it isn't making this year... Maybe development's taking longer than expected? Maybe they've tried to smooth the engine out and have hit difficulties? Maybe they're hoping to spur larger sales by tying the release into a year-long anniversary publicity drive? Maybe they were spooked by comments about XY and ORAS and delayed the game to stuff more content in? There are many possible explanations that don't involve Game Freak throwing their standard business model down the toilet.
what if they had plans for it to be on the nx and developed for it from the get-go? who says it was a 3ds game in the first place? nothing stops them from using the same assets as x/y and maybe upressing it a bit, pokemon isn't exactly known for leaps in the graphics department

when their standard business model of third version every 2 year is no longer happening, doesn't it make more sense to believe something has changed bout it?
 
what if they had plans for it to be on the nx and developed for it from the get-go? who says it was a 3ds game in the first place? nothing stops them from using the same assets as x/y and maybe upressing it a bit, pokemon isn't exactly known for leaps in the graphics department

when their standard business model of third version every 2 year is no longer happening, doesn't it make more sense to believe something has changed bout it?
If they ever intended it for the NX, the publicity push would not have already started.

I'm not so convinced that taking an extra couple of months to get a third version out of the door represents as big an abandonment of Game Freak's business as ignoring a platform's fan base for no good reason.
 
If they ever intended it for the NX, the publicity push would not have already started.

I'm not so convinced that taking an extra couple of months to get a third version out of the door represents as big an abandonment of Game Freak's business as ignoring a platform's fan base for no good reason.
well it's not like i think nx is a bigger possibility, just that if it isn't 3ds bound by end of the year then it seems more likely, as nx feels too close if they really wait til the anniversary to release it, which isn't good for maximizing their profits

now watch it come to both systems and ill have the moral victory
 
The next generation... Sony's already won this generation in terms of consoles. However, various players are setting up shared ecosystems for games that include a set top box as well as their major platform. Not just MS and Nintendo, but companies like Apple, Google, and Valve as well. They are all coming at it from different directions, but the same result of being more concerned about active paying users in regards to games instead of mere hardware or software sales. All Sony has now is consoles and the hope that PSNow and PSVR will ultimately be successes.
Sony still has ample time to adjust than. Given the strength of their console brand, they may not have to do as much as Nintendo and MS.
 

Scum

Junior Member
i really think they'll use nwc as an opportunity to showcase the new 3d mario game, which may be super mario galaxy 3, and that way they have their screaming fans segment. the digital even the next day should focus on things like release date and the lineup. any system features can be demonstrated with little fear of technical difficulties or other flubs that are possible in a live conference. i expect the attitude to be more like when the gamecube was first shown off versus when the wii u was first shown off, with known franchises and lots of them to get the right people excited, and vague release dates accompanying them. one of the biggest issues with nintendo's 2012 e3 is that they weren't showing off 2014, 2015, or 2016 titles like microsoft and sony were, and instead saved that information for a nintendo direct in january when the wii u was already dead.

oh and no one will like the names and want them to go back to 'nx' because it was cool.

Oh, I don't know. I quite like the Nintendo Thundercougarfalconbird.
 

sörine

Banned
now watch it come to both systems and ill have the moral victory
Pokemon Co did it for the first Mystery Dungeon way back when, I could see it.

I'm half expecting all 2016's major 3DS games to end up NX crossgen. Pokemon Z, MH Stories, DQXI, YW3, any or all of them could I think.
 
sörine;183827948 said:
I'm half expecting all 2016's major 3DS games to end up NX crossgen. Pokemon Z, MH Stories, DQXI, YW3, any or all of them could I think.

Monster Hunter Stories at least seems incredibly likely. I'd be shocked if it wasn't cross-gen. You either release bullshots or regular screenshots, not both at the same time.

3DS:
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Wat:

Don't know about the others. I hope it happens with Youkai Watch 3.5. It would help both the game and the system and what helps the system will help the franchise in the future.

Devs really need to rally behind the system. All the systems bar the PS4 are dead or on their way out and the PS4 will probably never set the charts on fire, so the NX is incredibly important for Japanese developers to help succeed.
 
Game Freak don't care... If you think they would put the 3rd 6th gen game on NX instead of 3DS just to boost NX popularity or whatever..... hello B&W2
 

Oregano

Member
Nirolak: I'm not sure investors will be happy if Nintendo's goal is just to match the failure of the Wii U and underperformance of the 3DS. If they don't think they can rebound at all they should go mobile only and save the R&D cash because that's what they will be forced to do. They will face a lot of pressure anyway if they wait too long to reveal NX because their mobile stuff might be very profitable and their dedicated devices will be dead and in the public's eyes they'll effectively be mobile only anyway.

I'm not sure they can just keep their existing strategy and assume they'll get Japanese third party support. The 3DS makes up 50% of the market with only 25% of the titles. It should have the majority of titles and that's definitely something they need to change.
 
well it's not like i think nx is a bigger possibility, just that if it isn't 3ds bound by end of the year then it seems more likely, as nx feels too close if they really wait til the anniversary to release it, which isn't good for maximizing their profits

now watch it come to both systems and ill have the moral victory
Maximising their profits didn't seem like too much of a concern when they were releasing Emerald a month and a half before the DS came out, not to mention releasing BW2 a year and a half after the 3DS came out.

If Game Freak was at all inclined to do cross-gen releases, we wouldn't have had to wait nearly three years to get a Pok&#279;mon RPG on 3DS.
 
sörine;183827948 said:
Pokemon Co did it for the first Mystery Dungeon way back when, I could see it.

I'm half expecting all 2016's major 3DS games to end up NX crossgen. Pokemon Z, MH Stories, DQXI, YW3, any or all of them could I think.

Pure speculation:

Remember Nintendo's patent about including 2 versions of the same game on a cartridge ?

Back then, we speculated that it would be used for the same game on the handheld and console NX-systems.

I wonder if it'd make business sense to include the 3DS and NX version of the same game on a cartridge.

The modern day equivalent of this

Hmm. Maybe they just want you to double dip on both versions.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
02./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.11.22} (¥7.980) - 197.350 / NEW

02./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 190.631 / NEW

01./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 79.586 / NEW
03./00. [PS4] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 64.060 / NEW

looks like BO3 is a return to form for the series even if it won't hit its peak sales again.

02./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.11.22} (¥7.980) - 197.350 / NEW
06./00. [360] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.11.22} (¥7.980) - 22.177 / NEW

02./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 190.631 / NEW
13./00. [360] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 12.950 / NEW

01./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 79.586 / NEW
03./00. [PS4] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 64.060 / NEW
19./00. [XB1] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition # <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 3.730 / NEW
31./00. [360] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424)

XB1 and 360 versions will sell close to zero again and there aren't 2 editions this time. Things aren't so rosy as they look.
 

Zalman

Member
I think Game Freak would rather make their NX debut with a new gen. It adds to the hype. They will sell 7+ million units of Pokémon Z on 3DS and be happy with it.
 

hiska-kun

Member
XB1 and 360 versions will sell close to zero again and there aren't 2 editions this time. Things aren't so rosy as they look.

Adding a few details.

Call of Duty debuts in Japan since 2010 (Media Create):

[PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2010.11.18} (¥7.980) - 128.922 / NEW
[360] Call of Duty: Black Ops - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2010.11.18} (¥7.980) - 30.279 / NEW
Total Black Ops: 159.201

[PS3] Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2011.11.17} (¥7.980) - 180.372 / NEW
[360] Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2011.11.17} (¥7.980) - 30.467 / NEW
Total Modern Warfare 3: 210.839

[PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.11.22} (¥7.980) - 197.350 / NEW
[360] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.11.22} (¥7.980) - 22.177 / NEW
Total Black Ops II: 219.527

[PS3] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 190.631 / NEW
[360] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 12.950 / NEW
[WIU] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 2.265 / NEW
Total Ghosts: 205.846

[PS3] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 79.586 / NEW
[PS4] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 64.060 / NEW
[XB1] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition # <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 3.730 / NEW
[360] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 1.565 / NEW
Total Advanced Warfare: 148.941

This is just the subtitled version.
 
Nirolak: I'm not sure investors will be happy if Nintendo's goal is just to match the failure of the Wii U and underperformance of the 3DS. If they don't think they can rebound at all they should go mobile only and save the R&D cash because that's what they will be forced to do.

Yeah, I have to agree. Not necessarily that they'll go mobile-only (though that's certainly one possibility for their future), but in the current climate, I find it implausible that their goals are as modest and realistic as what folks like AniHawk and Nirolak have suggested.

Though I don't think even halting the userbase bleeding is that realistic, but I digress.
 

Nirolak

Mrgrgr
Nirolak: I'm not sure investors will be happy if Nintendo's goal is just to match the failure of the Wii U and underperformance of the 3DS. If they don't think they can rebound at all they should go mobile only and save the R&D cash because that's what they will be forced to do. They will face a lot of pressure anyway if they wait too long to reveal NX because their mobile stuff might be very profitable and their dedicated devices will be dead and in the public's eyes they'll effectively be mobile only anyway.

I'm not sure they can just keep their existing strategy and assume they'll get Japanese third party support. The 3DS makes up 50% of the market with only 25% of the titles. It should have the majority of titles and that's definitely something they need to change.

Yeah, I have to agree. Not necessarily that they'll go mobile-only (though that's certainly one possibility for their future), but in the current climate, I find it implausible that their goals are as modest and realistic as what folks like AniHawk and Nirolak have suggested.

Though I don't think even halting the userbase bleeding is that realistic, but I digress.
Oh, to be clear, I think their internal goals are astronomical based on their statement of wanting to exceed DS/Wii era profits within three years.

I just don't think it matters, since retaining 80%+ of their audience strikes me as the most plausible best case scenario.
 
02./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.11.22} (¥7.980) - 197.350 / NEW
06./00. [360] Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2012.11.22} (¥7.980) - 22.177 / NEW

02./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 190.631 / NEW
13./00. [360] Call of Duty: Ghosts - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2013.11.14} (¥7.980) - 12.950 / NEW

01./00. [PS3] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 79.586 / NEW
03./00. [PS4] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 64.060 / NEW
19./00. [XB1] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition # <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424) - 3.730 / NEW
31./00. [360] Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare - Subtitled Edition <ACT> (Square Enix) {2014.11.13} (¥8.424)

XB1 and 360 versions will sell close to zero again and there aren't 2 editions this time. Things aren't so rosy as they look.

There's no dubbed edition?
 
Here's Yokai Tsum Tsum Shuffle. It's better than Pokemon Shuffle did, but I'm not blown away so far. We'll see how it keeps trending.

kinda feel like its not really surprising to not be the next biggest thing since kids are generally the main audience for youkai watch

I imagine they could make cuckoo bucks by selling youkai watch tsum tsum instead
 

Oregano

Member
Yeah, I have to agree. Not necessarily that they'll go mobile-only (though that's certainly one possibility for their future), but in the current climate, I find it implausible that their goals are as modest and realistic as what folks like AniHawk and Nirolak have suggested.

Though I don't think even halting the userbase bleeding is that realistic, but I digress.

Oh, to be clear, I think their internal goals are astronomical based on their statement of wanting to exceed DS/Wii era profits within three years.

I just don't think it matters, since retaining 80%+ of their audience strikes me as the most plausible best case scenario.

Well I personally feel that they definitely could have a much more successful home console that the Wii U and I even think they could be more successful than the 3DS. I just think it would require a level of competence they haven't displayed in quite a few years.

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're willing to try To do what it actually takes. It remains to be seen though.
 
you think you are brilliant with those kind of replies ?
im kinda joking. u know like most of ur comments that u make regarding the attention given to sony systems vs nintendo.

Maximising their profits didn't seem like too much of a concern when they were releasing Emerald a month and a half before the DS came out, not to mention releasing BW2 a year and a half after the 3DS came out.

If Game Freak was at all inclined to do cross-gen releases, we wouldn't have had to wait nearly three years to get a Pok&#279;mon RPG on 3DS.
hmm u right, getting a pokemon game early on nx isn't necessary anyway, as it is expected that it will eventually appear on nx

sörine;183827948 said:
Pokemon Co did it for the first Mystery Dungeon way back when, I could see it.

I'm half expecting all 2016's major 3DS games to end up NX crossgen. Pokemon Z, MH Stories, DQXI, YW3, any or all of them could I think.
like the pokemon discussion, part of me thinks this is likely, but history shows the opposite is likely the case.

mh stories looks so good, i just wanna play it like that

Don't know about the others. I hope it happens with Youkai Watch 3.5. It would help both the game and the system and what helps the system will help the franchise in the future.

Devs really need to rally behind the system. All the systems bar the PS4 are dead or on their way out and the PS4 will probably never set the charts on fire, so the NX is incredibly important for Japanese developers to help succeed.
i wouldn't worry too much bout that, the handheld market is the market at this point and that is easily nintendo's biggest strength, i dont think they will let that happen easily

Oh, to be clear, I think their internal goals are astronomical based on their statement of wanting to exceed DS/Wii era profits within three years.

I just don't think it matters, since retaining 80%+ of their audience strikes me as the most plausible best case scenario.
they're crazy, it's good to hear that, but ill wait and see, certainly makes it more exciting to see just how they pull off the nx play.
 

AniHawk

Member
they're crazy, it's good to hear that, but ill wait and see, certainly makes it more exciting to see just how they pull off the nx play.

the dedicated market is diminishing so rapidly and games are so expensive that i don't think anyone can make that much money off this alone. it's why they're focusing on making nx a part of a bigger brand. honestly, the focus seems to be the nintendo account/my nintendo stuff they're launching in march which should serve as the hub for not just their dedicated hardware, but additional licensed goods and mobile games.
 
the dedicated market is diminishing so rapidly and games are so expensive that i don't think anyone can make that much money off this alone. it's why they're focusing on making nx a part of a bigger brand. honestly, the focus seems to be the nintendo account/my nintendo stuff they're launching in march which should serve as the hub for not just their dedicated hardware, but additional licensed goods and mobile games.
wasn't mobile stated as the big reason? mobile will be the toughest competitor against nintendo, that is why they're fighting with them, instead of against them.
 
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