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Missouri collegiate Football team starts strike over racism at school

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Jerm411

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Jesus Christ....scary times...
 
My guess is it is a hoax inspired directly by the Oregon posting, but yeah, you have to take it 100% serious. Disgusting.
It's unfortunately hard to tell how much of this is trolling and how much is serious.

More stuff keeps popping up.
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An email supposedly from the head of the occupational therapy department too
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I do wonder how many, if any, of these people aren't really students and are coming from off-campus.
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It's damn near impossible, which sucks.
If the PD are smart, I'm pretty sure I've heard that Yik can be tracked back to a phone number. Don't know if that's really true or how long it'll take to get done.
Do not take any chances on this being a hoax.
Can't speak for how the authorities are handling it, but I won't take a chance. I've only got one class tomorrow so I'm not pressed to attend anyways.
Are there pics and videos of this stuff posted yet?
Only one I've seen so far is this one: https://twitter.com/Jordan_Ashley0/status/664286091558567936

For reference for all unfamiliar with our campus, the circular area he's walking around is called "Speaker's Circle." It's supposedly our "free speech zone," and you'll see everything from Christian fundamentalists to the Fire Department to Greek Life Chapters to local businesses set up there through the year.

Here's the view of our Yik. People are pretty upset classes haven't been cancelled yet.
 

devilhawk

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What's your point? This kind of feels like when people say Obama is proof there's no more racism in America.
I think you majorly missed the point.

It is to show how drastically different the situation at KU and MU are. How the MU protestors demanded the firing of their head administrator. How KU's chancellor is leading an open forum and town hall on race tomorrow to discuss issues. How KU and MU are and have always been worlds different. This difference goes back to Bleeding Kansas. It is a cultural thing, always has been.
 

TS-08

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I think you majorly missed the point.

It is to show how drastically different the situation at KU and MU are. How the MU protestors demanded the firing of their head administrator. How KU's chancellor is leading an open forum and town hall on race tomorrow to discuss issues. How KU and MU are and have always been worlds different. This difference goes back to Bleeding Kansas. It is a cultural thing, always has been.

You didn't make these points, so I'm not sure how I missed them.

The students in the article say they have voiced complaints that have gone unheard, so this forum is reactionary just like the leaders at Mizzou were accused of being. They also have the benefit of seeing what has happened at Mizzou and reacting to that. You're giving your school too much credit.
 
Re: the people harassing the photographer - one of the lessons people forget is that while MLK and Gandhi were non-violent for personal, ethical reasons, the reason this was effective was not because of the admiration we in the modern era feel for that philosophy, but because it ensured there could be no ammunition they would give to those who opposed them.

In general, the slapdash nature of modern progressive activism seems to me a primary reason why it lacks the efficacy and dignity of the 1960s. They're not wrong, but without charismatic and calculating coordinators, there's no real focus, and you get nonsense like that mucking up the works.
 

devilhawk

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Fuck those people who are sending threats. Hopefully nothing happens.
Following twitter and some reporters of the two local papers the only threats that are confirmed (as in existing not verified) are the yikyak ones. Twitter is full of rumors about the KKK sightings but reporters have been quick to debunk that so far - seems to be a crap ton of cops everywhere.

Just search KKK on twitter. It's nuts.
 
Jesus fucking christ, stay safe Mizzou. The first yak posted here is directly quoting that Oregon shooter but as others have said, it's nothing to take lightly. Sigh
 

devilhawk

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To be fair, MUAlert is notoriously terrible here on campus. I'm sure there's a lot of baseless rumors flying right now, but MU Alert has issues.
I wouldn't take any risks if I went there though.
Completely fair.

But spamming baseless (hopefully it stays that way) rumors is pretty dangerous in it's own right.

And here we go: from the student president's facebook

Payton Head
3 mins ·
I'm sorry about the misinformation that I have shared through social media. In a state of alarm, I was concerned for all students of the University of Missouri and wanted to ensure that everyone was safe. I received and shared information from multiple incorrect sources, which I deeply regret. The last thing needed is to incite more fear in the hearts of our community. In the future, please receive emergency updates from MUalert.missouri.edu or @MUalert on Twitter ONLY.
 
I think you majorly missed the point.

It is to show how drastically different the situation at KU and MU are. How the MU protestors demanded the firing of their head administrator. How KU's chancellor is leading an open forum and town hall on race tomorrow to discuss issues. How KU and MU are and have always been worlds different. This difference goes back to Bleeding Kansas. It is a cultural thing, always has been.

It is hardly a surprise that after one university president and chancellor get taken out for being non responsive to students that other universities take note and head off comparable situations before they spiral out of control. Particularly when the school beset is your neighbor geographically and your peer in every meaningful academic metric.
 
How the fuck is this a thing in 2015. Hoax or not I hope people stay safe. Saw a tweet earlier about people warning students to stay away from windows but it looks like it was a false alarm as posted a few posts up. Scary shit man.
 
Another view of the "handful" of protesters blockading the press:

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Keep fighting the good fight I guess? The protesters may be misguided in their "safe space" BS but it's hardly a reason to demonize the entirety of the protest or issues leading up to it (and issues resulting from it). That's what I'm getting at. Obsessing over what constitutes "a handful" is kind of my point.
 
Completely fair.

But spamming baseless (hopefully it stays that way) rumors is pretty dangerous in it's own right.

And here we go: from the student president's facebook
Truth. Contributing to hysteria isn't helping. I was with a group of friends from campus when the first threats started popping up, and you could see the rumors beginning to fly just there in that room...the KKK rumor was the weirdest one though. Hopefully we have a better picture of what's actually going on soon.

Good to see him own up though.
 

devilhawk

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How the fuck is this a thing in 2015. Hoax or not I hope people stay safe. Saw a tweet earlier about people warning students to stay away from windows but it looks like it was a false alarm as posted a few posts up. Scary shit man.

Going to be interesting tomorrow, for sure. The student body president who is also an active member of the protest just admitted to spreading a whole bunch of awful rumors that scared a whole bunch of people. I don't think a simple apology is going to fly in this environment.
 
From what I've heard, hostess programs for recruits can work the same way. It's not "necessarily" that they encourage the girls to hook up, it's that there are some women that get into it for the wrong reasons, and there's really no one stopping them once that happens (as in there should be a code of conduct that says that this is obviously wrong and grounds for being kicked out of the program, but that's usually either not there or not followed).

This goes well beyond hostess programs:

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/p...st-number-of-athletes-alleged-in-sex-assaults

Missouri had 63 criminal cases involving 46 athletes during the five-year time period. Twelve athletes were involved in more than one incident, Outside the Lines found, and Missouri had the second-highest number of allegations of sexual assault, violence against women, and harassment. Florida State had the most.
 
Keep fighting the good fight I guess? The protesters may be misguided in their "safe space" BS but it's hardly a reason to demonize the entirety of the protest or issues leading up to it (and issues resulting from it). That's what I'm getting at. Obsessing over what constitutes "a handful" is kind of my point.

P_C's point is that it wasn't "a handful", it was a fairly significant portion of the protest, and the fact that they were fighting for equal rights while simultaneously either ignoring or being ignorant of what those rights entail (such as the right for the press to have unmolested access to demonstrations in public spaces) is a pretty bad look for the cause, as it is suggestive of deeper problems within the movement, itself.

So......why are they trying to block out the media again?

Presumably because they are afraid of the media misrepresenting their movement and cause, and when you are disenfranchised, the movement you work within and the cause are fighting for tend to be things you want to protect.

That's understandable, to an extent, but the fact that nobody either was aware of or cared about the larger image that was going to project, and the message it was going to send, is evidence of the ideological insularity of modern social justice, an insularity that I am fairly certain hinders it, much as many who are technically atheists may not self-identify by the term so as to avoid being conflated with the Dawkins and Harris types.
 

Nail

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I think you majorly missed the point.

It is to show how drastically different the situation at KU and MU are. How the MU protestors demanded the firing of their head administrator. How KU's chancellor is leading an open forum and town hall on race tomorrow to discuss issues. How KU and MU are and have always been worlds different. This difference goes back to Bleeding Kansas. It is a cultural thing, always has been.

Dude, you are in fucking KANSAS FFS. The home to fucking "teach Intelligent Design along side evolution." The home of Sam Fucking Brownback. Your pride is hilariously out of line.
 
The MU twitter account pretty much told the student coming off a hunger strike to stfu.


I don't even know
Damn, damn, damn. Interesting to see them go in on him.
Yeah, pinkel really doesn't concern himself with those minor issues. And i don't recall Aldon smith and Sheldon Richardson getting busted in college, though they might have.
I don't think having the "second-highest number of allegations of sexual assault, violence against women" is small peanuts. Sounds like he needs to regain control over his team.

Although given the Sasha case and the tutor thing itself, I'm sure he has absolutely no interest in doing so.
 

Korey

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Presumably because they are afraid of the media misrepresenting their movement and cause, and when you are disenfranchised, the movement you work within and the cause are fighting for tend to be things you want to protect.

That's understandable, to an extent, but the fact that nobody either was aware of or cared about the larger image that was going to project, and the message it was going to send, is evidence of the ideological insularity of modern social justice, an insularity that I am fairly certain hinders it, much as many who are technically atheists may not self-identify by the term so as to avoid being conflated with the Dawkins and Harris types.

So you're saying the people running this movement aren't very smart.

I mean...you're afraid of being misrepresented in the press...so you go ahead and make enemies with the press, the very people who will craft your image to the mass public? Ok.

I guess if the public's opinion doesn't matter it makes sense though.
 

devilhawk

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Dude, you are in fucking KANSAS FFS. The home to fucking "teach Intelligent Design along side evolution." The home of Sam Fucking Brownback. Your pride is hilariously out of line.
Kansas has got issues, for sure.

Off topic explanation: Just like the intelligent design crap went too far and eventually swung back towards properly teaching evolution (and even climate change), the failed experiment that is Brownback is swinging even most conservatives towards being more moderate. Could be good in the long run if we can just overcome the damage he is inflicting now. Disclosure: I didn't vote for him either time as I live in the PNW.
 

Loakum

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This is sad. It's like we've learned nothing from the 1960's. I hope no one gets harmed in the days, weeks to come.
 

IrishNinja

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goddamn, ya'll seeing twitter on this #Mizzou shit tonight?

i'm not surprised at this point, but it's heartbreaking all the same, fuck
 

IrishNinja

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is that not its own thread yet? i mean...if not, it'll be one by morning. goddamn.

it'll also be a glorious graveyard by early afternoon
 

ISOM

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So you're saying the people running this movement aren't very smart.

I mean...you're afraid of being misrepresented in the press...so you go ahead and make enemies with the press, the very people who will craft your image to the mass public? Ok.

I guess if the public's opinion doesn't matter it makes sense though.

The press has and always had their own biases in reporting racial issues. And that's even without kowtowing in front of them to make them feel important.
 

Slavik81

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Hopefully, the university will send her ass packing as well. However, given the climate, I wouldn't lay odds on it. If she doesn't understand how free speech rights work, she doesn't belong near any school.
I don't think her actions have much bearing on her research or her teaching, and I don't like the idea of setting a precedent of firing professors over protests (even if they do a bad job of it). The school of journalism cutting ties seems sufficient.
 
I got in an argument with my dad over the issue today, his actual text to me was

There really isn't any speech that is "hate speech", just things you might disagree with. "Hate speech" is a concept created by the Frankfurt school of Marxism to undermine Christian values as a way to destabilize the West. Please don't buy into that argument.

I'm not joking...
 

Condom

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I got in an argument with my dad over the issue today, his actual text to me was

There really isn't any speech that is "hate speech", just things you might disagree with. "Hate speech" is a concept created by the Frankfurt school of Marxism to undermine Christian values as a way to destabilize the West. Please don't buy into that argument.

I'm not joking...
It's always those damned Marxists
 

Rembrandt

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I got in an argument with my dad over the issue today, his actual text to me was

There really isn't any speech that is "hate speech", just things you might disagree with. "Hate speech" is a concept created by the Frankfurt school of Marxism to undermine Christian values as a way to destabilize the West. Please don't buy into that argument.

I'm not joking...

what's your dad's reddit and GAF account?
 

Henkka

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what's your dad's reddit and GAF account?

Implying you wouldn't get banned from GAF for saying something so dumb. I know we like to be self-deprecating, but this place is alright.

Anyway, what's happening? I get the threats on social media, but looking at Twitter it looks like there's something about the KKK being there too? Others are disputing it though.
 
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