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Modder 'fix' Tales of Zestiria on PC, it's now running at 60fps
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LimitedTimeGamer
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Part of me wonders if Symphonia will run off the same engine, and be able to be patched in the same way.
Would make me rebuy in a instant.
Would make me rebuy in a instant.
I'm not sure how comparable they are. Symphonia is a port of a PS3 game, which is a port of a PS2 game, which is a port of a Gamecube game. It would be really, really hard to believe a franchise could last on the same engine for over a decade across multiple platforms/generations without significant overhaul. (in before CoD jokes)
On the same note, however, Symphonia also isn't comparable in the sense that the original -was- already 60fps. I'd wager (and of course, I could be wrong. I don't have access to the source code obviously) It wouldn't be modding in fixes for quirks introduced making a game intended for 30fps to run at double that, so much as it would be undoing the changes made to get a 60fps game running at 30fps.
For everyone in the thread who is posting something along the lines of "It was that easy? For shame, Bandai Namco!" Please realize that they couldn't have shipped the game in this state. This mod makes animations look really bad and sound bugs are popping up more frequently than I'm comfortable with. That's fine and perfectly acceptable for a mod, but absolutely not for a retail release.
Since I started to play more in front of the TV I'm not as sensitive to 30/60FPS.
A few hours in front of my PC then back to the TV and I notice it straight away if it's below 60/120 and it feels crappy for a while.
Think we can get used to a lot. Heck DeS/TLOU had me used to 20 something lol
A few hours in front of my PC then back to the TV and I notice it straight away if it's below 60/120 and it feels crappy for a while.
Think we can get used to a lot. Heck DeS/TLOU had me used to 20 something lol
Played a few battles and watched a bunch of cut-scenes and there's some noticeable jank. It's all acceptable though, so good job on the modding community for this. I didn't think it would be possible to do.
Now if it's enough for me to start playing this game again is another story.
Now if it's enough for me to start playing this game again is another story.
Possumowner
Member
Fantastic.Have this in my library,but yet to play.Guess I will get to it sooner rather than later now.
Nevadatan
Member
the same thing were said for Dank Souls PTDE, and look how it came out
try rebooting, somehow it wasn't working for me until I rebooted...
Dictator93
Member
I am now going to make a sweeping generalizing statement.
No company has any excuse anymore about locked 30fps. Just dedicate 1 or 2 people to it and it is doable.
Enjoy 60fps GAF!
No company has any excuse anymore about locked 30fps. Just dedicate 1 or 2 people to it and it is doable.
Enjoy 60fps GAF!
LimitedTimeGamer
Member
It will be curious to see if it can be done, because that would make the pc version the definitive version of the game now.
Honestly, it wouldnt matter a whole lot to me anyway, since ive already cleared symphonia 100%, but id love to do it in 60fps just for the feel of tempest.
OminoMichelin
Member
Depends on how you program a game, they're not all created equal.
For example, yes, you could run dark souls on PC at 60fps, but sometimes the physics would not work properly because of it.
I played at 40fps, and there was this one ladder where, if I slided to the bottom, it would send me outside the game world. Every-single-time.
Tying your game logic to framerate is bad practice, but the truth is a lot of designers still do that, especially on consoles. This is why japanese developers tend to struggle, they program with the idea that a game will only run on a certain hardware at a certain framerate, but then if that game happens to be ported to PC (which is still pretty uncommon), you would have to rewrite a lot of code to make certain extra features work. That costs work, time and money.
Still has ragdoll bugs for whatever bizarre reason hahahah.
(Not that it is or was gamebreaking or in any way as a significant a difference as interception fire)
Great, that's what I got the PC port for. ^^
That multiplier makes me wonder if it's something new to the PC port (i.e. they actually tried to up the cap to 60 fps themselves but met too many unshipable issues) or if it was part of the console versions as well.
Reading through the steam community thread there also seem to be plenty potential side issues unearthed by this new inclusion which will be fixed in subsequent versions. And a reboot is pretty much obligatory.
That multiplier makes me wonder if it's something new to the PC port (i.e. they actually tried to up the cap to 60 fps themselves but met too many unshipable issues) or if it was part of the console versions as well.
Reading through the steam community thread there also seem to be plenty potential side issues unearthed by this new inclusion which will be fixed in subsequent versions. And a reboot is pretty much obligatory.
Dictator93
Member
Still has ragdoll bugs for whatever bizarre reason hahahah.
(Not that it is or was gamebreaking or in any way as a significant a difference as interception fire)
Hah yeah....
I am also a weirdo who prefers the gameplay of deadlier interception fier as it nerfs the scout tactic.
I mean, I agree with everything you are saying. I just think it is very much so worth "the costs in work, time and money" and hence not worth an excuse any longer. Modders being able to do it to some degree without native source code says way too much.
If the effort costs $10 and gets you a return of $5, it's not worth it.
(Obviously this isn't the case here, both directly from the amount of people on the fence because of framerate, and indirectly because of long-term precedent/goodwill, but the superlative bugs me)
Dictator93
Member
I have to take a stance somewhere, draw that line. I do not feel too bad though being a bit "unreasonable" (aka not bowing down to cost/utility-maximizing logic) if it means PC ports being great.
Ivan Amiibo
Banned
I'm having deja vu!
I think all they see is that people will fix their games for free post launch and so they sometimes cheapen out on a PC port (gotta give them credit for the good ones.)
Does this mean Berseria will get an awesome PC port?
(See Dark Souls 1->Dark Souls 2 situation)
That's right. Why a company should spend time and money when modders do their works free?
The amount of extra QA that a fix like this would necessitate is non trivial and something that a modder doesn't have to worry about. Lets hope it doesn't break anything 30+ hours in.
What I'm saying is that I'm glad all of you are testing it so that by the time I'm ready to jump into Zestiria, it's more stable and less likely to break shit.
What I'm saying is that I'm glad all of you are testing it so that by the time I'm ready to jump into Zestiria, it's more stable and less likely to break shit.
You could try something like Borderless Gaming, if the game itself does not support that.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
By the way remember that you won't see 60fps in YT if you use certain browsers. Chrome has it for instance but you need to pick 720p60fps
Small pre-release tag that fixes stuff that may solve some issues (though there was a report it being slower than 1.0.0): https://github.com/Kaldaien/TZF/releases/tag/tzf_101
In general 60 fps is quite a bit more demanding than 30 fps, making it necessary to scale back other features on weaker hardware. But we all knew that already, didn't we?
In general 60 fps is quite a bit more demanding than 30 fps, making it necessary to scale back other features on weaker hardware. But we all knew that already, didn't we?
GhostTrick
Banned
Well, no matter how people are putting it, Bamco really has done some good efforts on their japanese ports. When you compare Dark Souls and ToZ, thats pretty obvious. Moving forward, I believe that PC will also be a part of their japanese ecosystem and so will be the features expected.
Maintenance
Member
I'm glad that I waited.
You lost a free Symphonia port that way though.
JudgmentJay
Member
Of course this comes out after I finish the game. I knew it would happen eventually.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
On principle, I think a company should avoid willingly breaking their game, no matter how trivial the issues are or how many FPS they could gain by doing so. Leave such things for consumer-discretion mods with their consumer-perpetrated QAs.
if you have fraps or some other overlay thing it doesn't work, you need to do some more modding to fix that.
Out of sight, out of mind.
Their massive knowledge of how coding works of course.
From the modder himself. It says on his post that it was a simple fix.
Well, no shit. Tweaking a few variables to unlock to 60fps, simple. Fixing the most glaring, instantly apparent issues, a little less simple.
The iterative process that pinpoints and solves the rest of the issues one by one (which is ongoing, mind you). Not quite so simple, at all.
Being able to, in the worst case, walk away from it all after a certain point, regardless whether there are a few leftover niggling issues that are okay for a mod but not for a retail release, back to simple.
I'm sure Durante has some idea of how "simple" supporting user made software for thousands of users with a variety of hardware and software set ups is
Dictator93
Member
I am not saying its simple, and my bad if its comes across that way, I am stating that I think it is worth it, and the fact that a modder can do it in his/her spare time, points to the fact that a dedicated paid worker could do it too. Especially since they have direct access to all the source material.
And in that way, the cost is front ended where it should be...not on the consumer.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
From my understanding, nothing short of building the entire system from scratch could make Dark Souls run at 60 FPS with no additional issues. I feel like by that point, it's not actually worth it and they might as well not port the thing at all.
This Zestiria mod also has some lingering issues, yar?