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Yoshinori Ono comments on Street Fighter 5 buttslap and related changes
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Finale Fireworker
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I agree with this. But I also take issue with those things. I'm not sure if you do too.
It's unfortunate, because I really appreciate his reasoning for altering the content. But I think he altered the wrong content.
The ambition is reasonable but this arbitrary line in the sand is not. As others have pointed out, there are other aspects of the game that are way more sexual.
striferser
Huge Nickleback Fan
Um, i'm okay with any change, but the reasoning and actual change is kinda half assed. Changing the whole animation, cool. Changing camera while buttslap still there...
Eh, whatever, i'm just glad the character still available to use
Eh, whatever, i'm just glad the character still available to use
double jump
you haven't lived until a random little kid ask you "how do you make love".
while I respect this as an artistic choice and business decision I still dislike it on some level.
Finale Fireworker
Member
I get you now. I agree, I actually just posted that above you.
Chun-Li's outfit is more 'sexy' than it is 'sexual'.
It's attractive attire, as opposed to a character smacking their ass just because.
direct_quote
Member
The line is probably whatever they need to get a T rating.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
People should find it amusing as its tongue in cheek stuff and nothing as bad as the likes of what ex Disney employees do on TV, My sister thinks DOAX3 is amusing and is disappointed its not getting released here because it looks fun.
But seriously who would get offended really?Who is gonna say OMG! Thats so offensive!
Ya grandma maybe?
BTW was the buttslap actually in the Beta or a trailer?
But seriously who would get offended really?Who is gonna say OMG! Thats so offensive!
Ya grandma maybe?
BTW was the buttslap actually in the Beta or a trailer?
Basketball
Member
That smacked ass is the signal of doom, and the weapon of execution. That clapping of flesh is the sound of the round ending.
I'm sure that would be a harder change and butt attacks are sort of R.Mika's thing, aren't they?
Having the camera framed on her slapping her own butt is comparatively superfluous.
Lupin the Third
Member
I LOVE Street Fighter. Love it. But the trend toward fanservice I've seen in this game is a turn-off. I know why they do it (it's obviously a crowd-pleaser in the target demographic), but I don't have to be happy about it nor do I have to support it.
I should add that I'm pleased they made this change but it's not enough to make me change my $60 dollar vote. And that's probably the problem most people will have with this rationale.
I should add that I'm pleased they made this change but it's not enough to make me change my $60 dollar vote. And that's probably the problem most people will have with this rationale.
captainpat
Member
I still find it crazy Howard game like dragon's crown got T with no issue but a butt-slap? Can't have that.
KZXcellent
Member
I agree that his statement and goal for SFV is noble, but he's not going the whole way with it. As people have pointed out there are multiple things that are STILL in the game that should be changed or adjusted.
It seems like a quarter-step instead of a full step in the direction he's going for.
chun li alt had me sweating
HoodWinked
Member
everything is irrational i think Ono is doing a good job of using double talk and speaking in platitudes and misdirection that hes actually somehow gaining points from the side that is pushing back back on this kind of stuff while still being able to do what was originally intended as you can see from laura/rmika/chunli alt costume.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
A buttslap doesn't seem like a particularly offensive thing to me. It's part of her satirical, over-the-top, caricature of a character. I'm not trying to dictate how people should feel about this, but being offended to the point of not wanting to play, just because of a buttslap, seems unreasonable to me.
It sounds like something my friend's religious, conservative, grandmother would say about movies or TV nowadays.
It sounds like something my friend's religious, conservative, grandmother would say about movies or TV nowadays.
EdwardTeach
Member
Seems stupid, who exactly would have been offended by the butt slapp (specifically)?
So you're saying this was Capcom throwing the crowd a bone so they could sneak past other stuff? Didn't think of it in that light.
Evil's Bane
Member
They were pandering to people when they put all those things in
DICKS AHOY
Banned
Seems weird the outfit's fine but actually doing something with that outfit was over the line still. I think the removal of it was dumb, but more power to them I guess.
Weak argument from Ono. I love Street Fighter and I do like the humor Ono can inject with his characters. That being said:
The women in the SFV are so hyper-sexualized, with boobs that are bigger than people's faces and thighs and crotch shots that belong in a DOA game. It's revolting and tacky.
How can a grown man create and approve of something like that? Is it a culture difference between Japan and the US? Or is he trying to cater to 12 year-old virgins who want to jerk off while playing the game?
All I can do is shake my head.
The women in the SFV are so hyper-sexualized, with boobs that are bigger than people's faces and thighs and crotch shots that belong in a DOA game. It's revolting and tacky.
How can a grown man create and approve of something like that? Is it a culture difference between Japan and the US? Or is he trying to cater to 12 year-old virgins who want to jerk off while playing the game?
All I can do is shake my head.
Yep.
psynergylover
Member
I don't care that the buttslap was removed but also don't think the 2-4 sec animation was explicit enough to warrant it being edited...so meh, do what you gotta do Ono
Edit: most likely the PC version will be modded so that you can see the buttslap anyway...
hair down Chun-LI gets my love anyway 
Edit: most likely the PC version will be modded so that you can see the buttslap anyway...
I have a feeling that Capcom tried to sex up Street Fighter in order to get more casual fans to purchase the game and when there was a very minor backlash to some of the stuff in the game, they went about making very minor changes that were hardly noticeable (yet somehow incurred massive threads on gaming forums, NeoGAF included).
Like I consider it a worse move to give every woman in the game, except Karin, huge breasts when they really weren't that busty in previous games (Chun-Li, Cammy). I think R. Mika would have been fine as the cheesecake ambassador but they even upped the gratuitousness in the other female character designs, including Cammy who's been wearing the same ass-reaming latex leotard since the 90's. Even the alt costumes are immediately obviously designed with the thinking that people won't pay real money for them unless they're showing off more skin than the defaults.
Like I consider it a worse move to give every woman in the game, except Karin, huge breasts when they really weren't that busty in previous games (Chun-Li, Cammy). I think R. Mika would have been fine as the cheesecake ambassador but they even upped the gratuitousness in the other female character designs, including Cammy who's been wearing the same ass-reaming latex leotard since the 90's. Even the alt costumes are immediately obviously designed with the thinking that people won't pay real money for them unless they're showing off more skin than the defaults.
mysteriousmage09
Member
This fucking generation.
It totally is, but in my opinion it all should've been planned since the very beginning. You don't make a Mortal Kombat, but then 'aw shit, we really want to reach all kinds of players', and you start removing nasty stuff each time you show your game in public.
Now, of course that's an hyperbole, SFV isn't MK (in terms of 'extreme' contents), but to my eyes - casual SF player since SFII - this looked like the most racy SF to date, and it looked like that as a result of a precise design choice.
That said, Ono can change whatever he wants to change in his game, it's all perfectly legitimate. But at the same time I can pretty much understand who feels disappointed by these u-turns (on a very personal note, I don't get how you feel the need to remove Mika's buttslap animation because it's 'offensive' to some, but then it's fine leaving Chun-Li's ass flying around the screen the whole time, when she's wearing that black dress... But hey, that's just me!).
King Tubby
Member
I'm really just wondering about the logic behind making it sexier now, besides just the taste of the creator. Does anyone think making the game more cheesecake is gonna expand the audience beyond the people who would be buying Street Fighter anyway? I am totally fine with the direction of this game honestly, but I see there being more downside in terms of market appeal than upside, at least in the West.
I agree with this mainly because not everyone even finds humongous jugs appealing.
I agree with this mainly because not everyone even finds humongous jugs appealing.
Yes, I thought her outfit was a main concern with several media articles voicing their dislike about R. Mika since her reveal.
So are they going to make even more changes?
The butt slap can't be the only thing they see wrong about her character if they're going in this direction.
Stone Ocean
Member
I don't really mind the logic, just the execution. Want to change animations? Fine, do that but at least replace them with quality animations instead of just botching the current ones by changing camera angles like some risqué anime that wants to sell uncensored blu rays later.
PixyJunket
Member
Violently punching and kicking people won't make people think "this is not acceptable" but slapping one's own butt would.
I must be living in a nightmare world.
I must be living in a nightmare world.
People inside the development team called it out. Is that too fucking bad, too?
When they put fanservice into the game, it's because they want to market the game as best as they can - to young, male adults and teens. Now they decided they want to market the game for another audience, too - women. Because of that, they try to tone that stuff down (or so they say). Both are simply economical decisions. Yet one is considered "censorship" or "pandering", while the other one is...what, exactly?
Bye butt slap.
Chun Li has always been busty.
Perhaps I should have italicized "that" before busty. But yeah, look back through any thread on this subject and you'll see the evolution of Chun-Li's breasts and see that they were much smaller. And Cammy for that matter was practically flat compared to now.
ugh_the_boot
Banned
You don't know video games.
The human contradiction.
I was honestly hoping that Ono would come on stage and do the butt slap at either PSX or Capcom Cup.
Hero Prinny
Member
RIP butt slap, I really liked it, it was silly. god damn people bitching and whining over everything.
god damn people bitching and whining over everything.Orochinagis
Member
Meanwhile Cammy....
RIP butt slap, I really liked it, it was silly.
It easily was the best looking CA in the game. Now with the odd camera angle and the animation change at the end.... eh not so much.