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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Thread #2) - One Thumb Up

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sphagnum

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Do the Jedi even take vows of celibacy? It's mentioned the code forbids possessiveness, but not compassionate self-less love.

No. George explicitly said that the Jedi are not celibate. They can have all the sex that they want, so long as they don't form attachments. Star Wars doesn't have a Christian moral ethos (except in regards to Anakin's redemption, really).
 
I'm not tossing anything away that is in the movies because it's in some cartoon or whatever. I enjoy the movies on their own, don't care in any way what a side show says or doesn't.

That's fine. But you do realize that some of the questions you are asking will be answered in a consistent manner as the cartoon?

You're welcome to not see them or ignore them, but your questions HAVE been answered.
 

diaspora

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A couple of my friends were disappointed that Finn did not turn out to be the leading Jedi but i wasnt because i suspected something was up from the beginning. The franchise is just too large for that to happen so i figured he would do something to get Rey to finally accept becoming a Jedi.

I just hope he isnt tossed aside as comedic relief and becomes a capable fighter in his own right.

Man, the idea of this saga being to big for a minority Jedi being the hero is just... sad. Though to be fair I say that as someone whose race will never be represented as a Star Wars lead so long as the series exists.
 

Boke1879

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Kinda OT but John Boyega is doing the Lords work for this movie. The man is so damn happy to be apart of this and the way he's surprising people at screenings of the movie. He definitely has the most charisma out of the bunch as far as being a public face.
 
Now that's just crazy talk.

I have no problem saying quite a few of the arcs in the Clone Wars are better than anything in the films. The show does tremendous things. Ashoka is a tremendously popular character among fans.

And it should also be pointed out that for the last few years the main way children knew about Star Wars was the Clone Wars.
 

Frog-fu

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When I find out that Finn wasn't going to be the jedi I assumed he would fill the Han Solo role of being a non-force using bad ass.

That's pretty much what he was in TFA, so yeah, that's very possible.

Yea those are some interesting theories. Also I want them to be both Jedi to help teach a new Jedi Council. Which is where I think this new saga is trying to head too. Snoke and Lor San Tekka were all referring for the Jedi to rise soon!

I dunno if I want to see the Jedi return to its PT glory. I guess it'd be cool, but I'm honestly more invested in Finn being a Force sensitive badass with a lightsaber and a blaster that is a genuine hero than anything else. To be fair, it would be interesting if he and Rey get together but he isn't a Jedi.

Did you think Lando was a exploitative character? He wasn't tied to the heroes, he had his own business to handle, but he helped his friend Han because it was the right thing to do.

Finn so far seems a worse character, acting merely as Rey's foil, but we'll see where the next films take him. My main problem with him as he's written more as a Marvel character with the over-the-top reactions. The "Droid, please" one-liner was especially bad, as the OT films never inserted period catchphrases in order to appear more current.

Finn is more honourable in TFA than Lando was in Empire. He didn't betray his friends to the First Order. The worst he did was lie to the Resistance so he could get to Rey.

I don't remember that "Droid, please" line tbh.
 
Man, the idea of this saga being to big for a minority Jedi being the hero is just... sad. Though to be fair I say that as someone whose race will never be represented as a Star Wars lead so long as the series exists.

I hope that's not the case. I'm hoping that this "reboot" starts allowing more room for diversity.

That said, I think we need to celebrate that a woman (even if she is white) is the "main" Jedi. That's a big deal as well for a lot of people.
 

Ether_Snake

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You're doing yourself a disservice. Clone Wars is better than 1 2 and 3.

Anything is better than 1 2 3. The clone wars has all the dumb flaws of the prequels on a stylistic level, and I don't care if Muftufu Mirako saves Rantanplan on planet Boogaloo.

I don't like long drawn out stories full of little details and names and locations. That's why I don't like TV shows in general, or comic books, etc. They tend to feel like an all you can eat buffet where there's a lot of everything but you just want something good and move on. I liked the first Ghost in the Shell movie, I didn't like the series. I liked the Akira movie, thought the comic book was crap. I liked Alien, didn't like Prometheus and its attempts to explain everything and be about God and human Genesis. I like Blade Runner, and won't like Blade Runner 2 if Ridley tries to do detailed world-building and another Jesus story instead of keeping it a small story in a big world.

I don't need more Star Wars than what's in the movies themselves, and if the movies lose out to fuel some side content that's dumb. Thankfully I enjoyed VII even with its flaws and am looking forward to the next. I'm not missing out on anything by not watching the Clone Wars. I don't want to have a light saber indigestion.
 

Man

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Look at Han Solo in that gif. That's every girls dream baby-making machine.
 
I have no problem saying quite a few of the arcs in the Clone Wars are better than anything in the films. The show does tremendous things. Ashoka is a tremendously popular character among fans.

And it should also be pointed out that for the last few years the main way children knew about Star Wars was the Clone Wars.

I'd back you on that.
 

Boke1879

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That's pretty much what he was in TFA, so yeah, that's very possible.



I dunno if I want to see the Jedi return to its PT glory. I guess it'd be cool, but I'm honestly more invested in Finn being a Force sensitive badass with a lightsaber and a blaster that is a genuine hero than anything else. To be fair, it would be interesting if he and Rey get together but he isn't a Jedi.



Finn is more honourable in TFA than Lando was in Empire. He didn't betray his friends to the First Order. The worst he did was lie to the Resistance so he could get to Rey.

I don't remember that "Droid, please" line tbh.

It happened when he was trying to convince BB8 to tell Rey where there resistance base was. It wasn't even bad. It was little him saying "driod please"
 

Fj0823

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Anything is better than 1 2 3. The prequels has all the dumb flaws of the prequels on a stylistic level, and I don't care if Muftufu Mirako saves Rantanplan on planet Boogaloo.

I don't like long drawn out stories full of little details and names and locations. That's why I don't like TV shows in general, or comic books, etc. They tend to feel like an all you can eat buffet where there's a lot of everything but you just want something good and move on. I liked the first Ghost in the Shell movie, I didn't like the series. I liked the Akira movie, thought the comic book was crap. I liked Alien, didn't like Prometheus and its attempts to explain everything and be about God and human Genesis. I like Blade Runner, and won't like Blade Runner 2 if Ridley tries to do detailed world-building and another Jesus story instead of keeping it a small story in a big world.

I don't need more Star Wars than what's in the movies themselves, and if the movies lose out to fuel some side content that's dumb. Thankfully I enjoyed VII even with its flaws and am looking forward to the next. I'm not missing out on anything by not watching the Clone Wars. I don't want to have a light saber indigestion.

As others have said, that's your problem..Your questions have answers you don't want to hear. That's fine I guess. But Lucasfilm won't make special answers just for you.
 

Ether_Snake

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As others have said, that's your problem..Your questions have answers you don't want to hear. That's fine I guess. But Lucasfilm won't make special answers just for you.

Which question? Find me one answered. You're just repeating what someone said to another poster. I just agreed the clone wars is dumb like the prequels. There's no answers I'm looking for other than what we're supposed to look for in VIII.
 
Finn is more honourable in TFA than Lando was in Empire. He didn't betray his friends to the First Order. The worst he did was lie to the Resistance so he could get to Rey.

I don't remember that "Droid, please" line tbh.

Well, Lando didn't have much of a choice at the time. He had an entire station and those people's lives he was responsible for.

The "Droid, please" line was in the Falcon when he was trying to convince BB-8 to tell Rey the location of his base.
 

giga

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I started reading the book, and even though there are extra details and story, the actual writing is awful. This will be difficult.
 
I don't like long drawn out stories full of little details and names and locations. That's why I don't like TV shows in general, or comic books, etc. They tend to feel like an all you can eat buffet where there's a lot of everything but you just want something good and move on.

No one is every going to change your mind, but judging something you haven't watched is a bad idea.

The Clone Wars is about arcs. So you will have 1-3 episodes dealing with one plot line and then it changes to a different story with different characters. It's basically a bunch of movies taking place during the Clone Wars. It's the actual realization of the 1930s serials that Lucas always wanted to make.
 

Fj0823

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Which question? Find me one answered. You're just repeating what someone said to another poster. I just agreed the clone wars is dumb like the prequels. There's no answers I'm looking for other than what we're supposed to look for in VIII.

We were discussing the nature of force ghosts, we answered a question before you started talking about how bad a show you haven't seen is.
 

diaspora

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Oh man i'm slow, i'm guessing Leia became general in this, instead of princess is so that shes not known as a "Disney Princess"?

What would she be princess of after her planet was nuked? I guess she was technically Naboo royalty I suppose.

I hope that's not the case. I'm hoping that this "reboot" starts allowing more room for diversity.

That said, I think we need to celebrate that a woman (even if she is white) is the "main" Jedi. That's a big deal as well for a lot of people.
As supporting characters probably. But the main saga will always have their Anakin/Luke/Rey as caucasian.
 

Mr Cola

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I think the next film will be expanding the rules of what we can do in Star Wars, I really hope Rain takes us to unfamiliar places in terms of Story, they dont need to be hugely complicated but if you followed the "Star Wars" pattern, it could be very predictable.
 

Falk

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I'm looking forward to seeing that explained as well. It looked cool but made no F'n sense and nothing lore wise (old Eu, new EU, Lucas notes, etc) suggest that's how the force powers work. I don't think that's how physics works either. I didn't even have to wait until the scene was done to call BS on that.

Has there been any explanation as to how he froze the lazerfire? that seemed like a new thing.

Is that even a laser? I mean, there's been a lot of different type of weaponry. Even discounting disruptor cannons etc of the old EU, Chewie's Bowcaster fires projectiles that are partially metallic bolts. I'm willing to bet you could stop those in mid air.

(Of course, the projectile would then fall to the ground when released, not continue on its merry way.

Oh well.

MAGIC)
 

16BitNova

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I loved Finn in this movie and really interested to see where his story goes. But, going in unspoiled, I not for one second bought that he might be the Jedi. It was just too obvious that it would be Rey. Even with all the marketing. However, I still believe there is a chance. Especially how things went down for him. Whether he is force sensitive or not. My theory is he will be part cybernetic next movie. I mean it looked like Ren cut right down his spine. And I mean, if General Grievous can wield lightsabers... well you see where I'm going with this.
 

Einchy

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Well, Lando didn't have much of a choice at the time. He had an entire station and those people's lives he was responsible for.

The "Droid, please" line was in the Falcon when he was trying to convince BB-8 to tell Rey the location of his base.

I really think you're reading way too much into that line, it's just him pleading for BB-8 to help him out. It wasn't a reference to, "n-word, please" at all.

The comedy from that scene comes from BB-8 trying to decide if he should help Finn or not and not from Finn saying, "Droid, please" which isn't anything but him making a plead.
 
Which question? Find me one answered. You're just repeating what someone said to another poster. I just agreed the clone wars is dumb like the prequels. There's no answers I'm looking for other than what we're supposed to look for in VIII.
Have you actually watched The Clone Wars?
 

Toa TAK

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SO, uh, how come Kylo Ren never got the news on what happened to Vader? Did Luke never tell him about what happened to his grandfather and how he went out on the side of redemption?
 

sphagnum

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Best line in the movie, by the way, was "Move, ball."

SO, uh, how come Kylo Ren never got the news on what happened to Vader? Did Luke never tell him about what happened to his grandfather and how he went out on the side of redemption?

The novelization implies that he knows exactly what happened but considers Vader's sacrifice to be a momentary lapse in judgment due to emotion in an otherwise exemplary career.
 
SO, uh, how come Kylo Ren never got the news on what happened to Vader? Did Luke never tell him about what happened to his grandfather and how he went out on the side of redemption?
The novelization answers that. He knows, he just sees Anakin and Vader as different. Like how Ben Solo is dead and only Kylo Ren remains.
 

TheXbox

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There isn't a track like that on the soundtrack, that's not JW's style :p
I know he's talking about a specific rendition of the Force theme from the third trailer, but Scherzo for X-Wings is a play on the actual Star Wars theme with a lot of percussion thrown in there, with a dash of the Force theme as well.
 
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