Tom Nook Sawyer
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That really did feel random and so out of place. His reappearance was almost comical
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That really did feel random and so out of place. His reappearance was almost comical
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Because his work on TFA is rather subpar?
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Technically Kylo is a Skywalker
One thing I was really curious to see before the film, was how the darkside would get on its feet again after Jedi. For some reason, I naturally wanted that piece of the puzzle filled in. But it made a lot of sense for telling a simpler story, and an ongoing battle of good vs evil, that they would skip to the classic conflict. It also puts the film too much the parallel of Revenge of the Sith to show evil's rise. Although I imagine it to be revealed in pieces over the rest of the trilogy, certainly as Luke comes into the story.
About the Rey controversy of being too powerful too easily, it was but a small gripe of mine after the film before I read anything, but I enjoyed her performance so much as well. I think if anything it sets up a fear for the rest of the films, in regards to escalation for the series after she's already defeated her adversary. You can have Kylo become a master sith in the next film, but dramatically its a concern to properly impose the threat of your villain. Other than that I wanted Fin to be more capable at something but Rey fills most roles he may have been good at. But within the framework of the film I think it's a very overstated issue.
Star wars fans are finicky by nature with the details, but it seems the argument is manifesting in a really strange way at this point.
About the Rey controversy of being too powerful too easily, it was but a small gripe of mine after the film before I read anything, but I enjoyed her performance so much as well. I think if anything it sets up a fear for the rest of the films, in regards to escalation for the series after she's already defeated her adversary. You can have Kylo become a master sith in the next film, but dramatically its a concern to properly impose the threat of your villain. Other than that I wanted Fin to be more capable at something but Rey fills most roles he may have been good at. But within the framework of the film I think it's a very overstated issue.
Star wars fans are finicky by nature with the details, but it seems the argument is manifesting in a really strange way at this point.
Kylo Ren is a Skywalker. We got that angle covered.
Grover Cleveland
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I think they'll have JW on the mainline films as long as he's healthy and willing to score them. Obviously with his age, you have to have contingencies, just in case.
I'm kinda more interested in seeing how they handle scoring the Anthologies. They're not going to have Williams (or Giacchino or really anyone) scoring a different SW movie every single year.
MisterHero
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The Anakin/Vader visions would've been awesome. We don't even need to know if it's really him or Snoke manipulating Ben
It's not the best SW score but I don't believe anyone else out there would have done a better job.
I posted way early this morning. Here's my speculation.
Going along with the Darth Plagueis is Snoke theory. Rumors from before about Anakin's birth was that Plagueis actually did figure out how to manipulate the force (or midicholorians, whatever) to create life, and therefore he created Anakin (which is why his midicholorian count was off the charts) essentially being his "Father".
What if Snoke is Plaguies, and saw Anakin as a failed attempt, so he tried again with Rey. Creating her. Sure it still leaves it open to who her mother may be. But, this could also explain her connection to Luke/Skywalker's since essentially she is like Anakin's sister.
Edit: Even if Snoke isn't Plaguies, maybe he learned the power of creating life and created Rey. And he was the one who left Rey on Jakku. Would explain why he left her to that asshole merchant guy. Bad guy connections.
Too far fetched?
DiipuSurotu
Banned
I partly agree, but at least what I like is that they never "light side", it's "dark side" vs simply "the light".
More complicated than this series is capable of being.
So this! Please don't let it happen
While I grant you it's probably the weakest score of the saga (maybe a toss up between this and Clones), you don't just tell John Williams to fuck off because one soundtrack wasn't quite as seminal as you'd hoped it would be. There's still a lot of great music here.
For what it's worth, even though that's the case, if he's still confirmed to go do the rest of the trilogy I'm glad in the sense that I hope that he'll be able to amp it up a bit for whatever Rian Johnson does with him.
That said, Rey's Theme doesn't match up to Across the Stars.
SmackAttack
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I can't keep up with these threads.
blackdevil
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who did the score for the second trailer? when the star wars theme starts?
was it in the movie? i dont remember but i dont think so . It sounded so powerful and made that trailer even better.
yeah, multiple viewings make it easier to identify the mix of the different themes / motives.
The way they cleverly use the various stages of Rey's theme across the movie is pretty fantastic. Up until the Falcon flight where it starts with pieces from the OT and once she leaves hyperspace, it's Rey's theme all the way, because it's become Rey's story.
ryutaro's mama
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Dude, there is a difference between making Aliens (which I saw before Alien) and making TFA before someone sees ANH.
In one, the new director took characters and themes from the first film and forged a completely new story that was great on its own and didn't rely on the overall structure of the previous film to work.
The other is an incredibly safe retelling of the original film, right down to the trench run to destroy a Death Star.
I love both Alien and Aliens for different reasons and watching one doesn't immediately make me think of all the things I had seen before.
JetBlackPanda
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Seems to me that Rey is lukes daughter and Luke put her in hiding on Jakku after he saw what happened to Kylo and he destroyed his order.
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Prometheus is proof they didn't and still don't need Snoke to be stupid CG. They can just enhance him a bit if needed if they need to do something specific.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I get the impression that she wasn't raised by the First Order her whole life. If so that would make her one of the only troopers capable of making a credible face turn. (Sorry, Finn.)
I hope she's dead, though.
I enjoyed the film ultimately in the end but it does not stand on it's own. Not completely. There is an assumption that you have some knowledge going into this film feel. The lack of exposition and explanation for things shows that. It's built to stand on nostalgia in a lot of places as well. That's not to say it can't be enjoyed or that's even a bad thing but there are number of things you just have to accept and go with. Far to many that if this wasn't a Star Wars film, and had the unfairly I feel accepted belief by man is that everything about the prequels were bad and this has to be good, it would be called out on it and hit negatively for it. It being a Star Wars films saves it from that criticism. It's not a work of art. Not at all. Not even close. I agree it doesn't have to be to be very enjoyable. I don't care that it isn't and didn't care about that when it came to the OT or the PT however I don't think people should get it twisted and think there are no flaws in this film.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Daughter of a Skywalker and Kenobi. Do it Disney. Make her the granddaughter of the two insanely powerful Jedi.
completely original new thought.
I feel bad for saying but they should get rid of Williams, not a single new memorable theme in the entire film. Fuck, he did amazing work for the prequels if he's not capable of that anymore have him leave along with Ford. Love the man but this film deserved a better score.
I just hope that we find out just how many children Luke was training.
Would be cool if at some point in the movies if he or Rey gather up all the barely trained apprentices.
Vincent Alexander
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It isn't that it's not the best. It's one of the worst. I think plenty MIGHT have done a better job. But we'll never know.
Rey's theme is amazing. Surprisingly, probably one of the best in the Star Wars movies.
I've now seen it twice and am going to dump my thoughts in this here post so I can get on with my life.
I thought it was tremendous fun.
Kylo Ren was a fascinating character - the best in the film. The lightsaber fight worked and I appreciated it being the focus rather than the assault on Starkiller Base.
The section with the Rathtars (?) was possibly the weakest part of the film. It just didn't sit right with me; the creatures were a little too obviously CGI and the space pirates seemed to be from a different film. It did make me chuckle though.
The closing meeting with Luke wasn't bad, but didn't feel very Star Wars.
BB8 was marvellous and I'd happily watch a whole film of BB8 and R2D2 just bumbling about.
I didn't have any problems with Rey's "trench run" moment and I didn't have any problems with R2 waking up (although I did think it was something to do with Luke putting
his hand on R2), I was too busy cute-ing out over BB8 having the little piece of the puzzle.
I didn't feel let down by Phasma - I found Finn's comeuppance scene really funny.
Maz Kanata worked. Snoke not so much, although the character is interesting (Plagueis?).
The shot of the Falcon looping on Jakku (the one in the first trailer) might be the best moment of JJ's career (in the films I've seen) - in fact, that set-piece and the one immediately preceding it (Poe and Finn escape) were fantastically well-done; exciting, charming and kinetic.
The Tokudana action sequence was marvellous - the tracking shot of Poe being a fighter ace and the Resistance flying in over the waves were 'stupid grin' moments for me, as was Finn facing down the Stormtrooper with the spinny electric thing.
I think JJ's done a fantastic job overall, though. It doesn't have the heft of Empire, but it doesn't try to. It aims at being a rollercoaster swashbuckler and it nails it, while leaving enough plot points unexplained to whet the appetite for the sequel.
So if I was going to make the qualitative quantative I'd probably say its an 8/10 for me and a huge relief. I just hope Disney don't overdo it by making too many films and it'll take quite a stretch for me to be convinced that Colin Trevorrow is the best person for Episode 9.
Oh bugger - one last thing. On first viewing I felt a little let down by the score (apart from the well-placed callbacks and Rey's theme on meeting Luke) but on a second viewing I noticed the very subtle nods to previous motifs. I would've liked a few more distinct themes, but it seemed like a calculated decision to avoid such themes to draw attention to the callback moments. Seems to have been a good one, judging by the response to Rey grabbing the lightsaber.
So. Yay! Probably not gonna see it a third time though. I feel like I've drained everything from it!
I thought it was tremendous fun.
Kylo Ren was a fascinating character - the best in the film. The lightsaber fight worked and I appreciated it being the focus rather than the assault on Starkiller Base.
The section with the Rathtars (?) was possibly the weakest part of the film. It just didn't sit right with me; the creatures were a little too obviously CGI and the space pirates seemed to be from a different film. It did make me chuckle though.
The closing meeting with Luke wasn't bad, but didn't feel very Star Wars.
BB8 was marvellous and I'd happily watch a whole film of BB8 and R2D2 just bumbling about.
I didn't have any problems with Rey's "trench run" moment and I didn't have any problems with R2 waking up (although I did think it was something to do with Luke putting
his hand on R2), I was too busy cute-ing out over BB8 having the little piece of the puzzle.
I didn't feel let down by Phasma - I found Finn's comeuppance scene really funny.
Maz Kanata worked. Snoke not so much, although the character is interesting (Plagueis?).
The shot of the Falcon looping on Jakku (the one in the first trailer) might be the best moment of JJ's career (in the films I've seen) - in fact, that set-piece and the one immediately preceding it (Poe and Finn escape) were fantastically well-done; exciting, charming and kinetic.
The Tokudana action sequence was marvellous - the tracking shot of Poe being a fighter ace and the Resistance flying in over the waves were 'stupid grin' moments for me, as was Finn facing down the Stormtrooper with the spinny electric thing.
I think JJ's done a fantastic job overall, though. It doesn't have the heft of Empire, but it doesn't try to. It aims at being a rollercoaster swashbuckler and it nails it, while leaving enough plot points unexplained to whet the appetite for the sequel.
So if I was going to make the qualitative quantative I'd probably say its an 8/10 for me and a huge relief. I just hope Disney don't overdo it by making too many films and it'll take quite a stretch for me to be convinced that Colin Trevorrow is the best person for Episode 9.
Oh bugger - one last thing. On first viewing I felt a little let down by the score (apart from the well-placed callbacks and Rey's theme on meeting Luke) but on a second viewing I noticed the very subtle nods to previous motifs. I would've liked a few more distinct themes, but it seemed like a calculated decision to avoid such themes to draw attention to the callback moments. Seems to have been a good one, judging by the response to Rey grabbing the lightsaber.
So. Yay! Probably not gonna see it a third time though. I feel like I've drained everything from it!
The music during the Anakin/Obi Wan duel was really good.
I get that you've seen the theory mentioned plenty of times now but let's not stifle discussion with this.
stuminus3
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Kenobis are still nobody.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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To be fair to Williams, this movie's pace is so far off-the-charts compared to the OT, I don't even know if there was enough time to put in a meaningful score, without it being intrerupted by banter or a scene change
it's been discussed and is the "obvious" and boring idea.
He's still a Skywalker.
In sith? I thought it was amazing. This films music didn't come close to any another star wars film.
JetBlackPanda
Gold Member
Sorry man I just saw it today.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Really? Obi-wan is the only person that could go toe to toe with the chosen one. He became one with the force. He taught Anakin and Luke.
Yes, that's why I posted it. I agree with you.
Hell yes. Everything from the duel, to the immediate aftermath.
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It makes much more sense of Rey's parents to have been killed by Kylo.
KingHenrik30
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Rey is Luke's daughter, Kylo killed her mother
Welcome back from the EU Mara Jade
Welcome back from the EU Mara Jade
He's a Skywalker/Solo. Leia's only not called Skywalker because of adoption.
edit: Only now saw the above post.
Vincent Alexander
Member
I could be completely wrong, but I feel like he tried to keep too much of the same feeling with his new pieces in TFA. Rey's theme was a great step in a new direction, purely in terms of instrumentation. I wish we had more like it.
I have faith in Williams. This might've just been a bad fluke overall. He might've just feel too constrained by the past to break free with something new and amazing? Who knows....rambling now.
Messypandas
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STOP sleeping on Reys Theme
The One and Done
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I love the complaints about too many callbacks but the biggest complaint is about something that's different than the originals lol
CassidyIzABeast
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Well they really botched that one in the movie.
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