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[DrROBschiz]

What a weird sentiment

Was the whole Nintendo Indie push with WiiU all for nothing?

Hey Nintendo. You dont need to START over when it comes to relationships just because you have new hardware

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Didn't they say last year that they want to surprise gamers with the NX? Also that they keep this all secret because they don't want others to pretty much steal their ideas? All of that tells me it's not just going to be a gaming console, it definitely will feature a gimmick. But as for them not saying much about it, let's not forget that neither Sony or MS revealed a whole lot before it's actual reveal event. Why would Nintendo?

Friends of mine a very hyped for the reveal and can't wait, but i'm not expecting anything. I would love for Nintendo to be back in action, but i am far from convinced that's going to happen.

 

[Plinko]

My guess is that it isn't this way for bigger devs and that they're worried a smaller dev will leak the hook they have, whatever that may be.

 

[Catchpenny]

So, given that ports aren't an instant thing, this feels unhelpful for a system coming out in 9 months.

Holding out until the reveal is a bit different when that reveal is 18 months before launch instead of 6 months.

He did say it was a conversation held "a while back". Not impossible to think the conversation was held 18 months before launch, or at least closer to that than 6 months.

More importantly, and somewhat depressingly, Nintendo is going to show the goods to their traditional allies first.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

God I hope the NX is actually decent, I want to buy a Nintendo console again.

If it's not more powerful than the PS4 I will be annoyed.

 

[Mpl90]

I suppose this could fit with the other rumour shared by Trev, the one about dev kits distribution scheduling for "non key partners". Remember: October was when SDK first distribution started (going by the WSJ).

 

[Thraktor]

http://gamingbolt.com/coldwood-nintendo-really-secretive-about-nx-wouldnt-mind-putting-unravel-on-it



Asking devs to pitch them a game to THEN show them the system seems like such a dumb, backward move. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Perhaps they just have limited dev kit hardware and are pushing that to bigger studios at the moment? Given than Cordwood just released Unravel, it's unlikely they'd have anything ready by NX's launch window (assuming it's late this year), and hence wouldn't really be a priority for dev kits. Unless, of course, they have a great idea for a game that could be completed in time for launch, which would explain why they'd ask for a pitch.

 

[benedictm]

The NX is not coming out this year. It's just speculation and guessing that seems to have cemented itself into a fact on here.

They are going to put New Zelda out in November to try and tide the Wii U over Christmas then launch NX next year. If its true that 3rd parties were getting development kits last October then a launch next summer gives them nearly 2 years which sounds about right.

Not what anyone want stop hear as the thirst for the NX is so high but that's what looks most likely to me.

 

[Rodin]

I remember some developer saying that they didn't know the 3DS would feature an autostereoscopic 3D screen months before the console was revealed to the public, so i'd say we shouldn't automatically assume that whatever they want to keep a secret is necessarily some incredible, game-changing feature.

The NX is not coming out this year. It's just speculation and guessing that seems to have cemented itself into a fact on here.

They are going to put New Zelda out in November to try and tide the Wii U over Christmas then launch NX next year. If its true that 3rd parties were getting development kits beginning of this year they need at least until mid 2017 to produce something.

Not what anyone want stop hear as the thirst for the NX is so high but that's what looks most likely to me.

Different, verified sources stated that the console is coming out this year. The only speculation and guessing is from people convinced that it will come out in 2017.

God I hope the NX is actually decent, I want to buy a Nintendo console again.

If it's not more powerful than the PS4 I will be annoyed.

Well, there's a good chance that you'll be annoyed.

 

[Betty]

If it's not more powerful than the PS4 I will be annoyed.

It'll likely be as powerful as PS4, not more.

 

[bomblord1]

Sounds like they are trying to gauge want devs want from a system before deciding on the final specs.

Seems like a smart move. Start with the pitches and build a system around it.

 

[Zombie James]

This is the complete opposite of what Nintendo needs to be doing.

 

[Y2Kev]

Was going to say the same thing. If they're really aiming for a Holiday 2016 launch, why are so many developers still in the dark about the thing? Either it won't launch in 2016 (unlikely) or it does launch in 2016 along with a dearth of meaningful 3rd party support.

Ports take time.

Not mobile or low spec ports. I think people may have the wrong mindset. Or maybe I do. There's a reason I think a game like unravel or madden would be the focus and not like...battlefront.

 

[Neoxon]

God I hope the NX is actually decent, I want to buy a Nintendo console again.

If it's not more powerful than the PS4 I will be annoyed.

I'd be worried about the NX Console even passing the Xbox One at this point.

 

[Ansatz]

It's more likely that 3rd parties aren't essential to their next gen strategy, rather than NX having this cool new gimmick they want to keep a secret for as long as possible.

They can start negotiating with indies and whatnot after the reveal/launch (i.e. non key partners), because if they go for the unified library route then they can manage without them just fine.

 

[cw_sasuke]

Who would you consider to be the important developers?

The teams working on the biggest IPs from Ubisoft, Activision, EA, Take 2 and co. I didnt say Indies werent important, just that they are moreimportant relations before the unveiling of a system.

If im Nintendo and my system has some kind of unknown USP i would try to get the bigger fishes on board first before spilling the secret to every developer a couple of weeks before the announcement.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

God I hope the NX is actually decent, I want to buy a Nintendo console again.

If it's not more powerful than the PS4 I will be annoyed.

Prepare to be annoyed then.

Not mobile or low spec ports. I think people may have the wrong mindset. Or maybe I do. There's a reason I think a game like unravel or madden would be the focus and not like...battlefront.

True. Now I'm trying to think of which games would fall under that category.

 

[Milly Osworth]

Sounds like they are trying to gauge want devs want from a system before deciding on the final specs.

Seems like a smart move. Start with the pitches and build a system around it.

If it's supposedly coming out this holiday? The specs are probably final.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

This is the complete opposite of what Nintendo needs to be doing.

Exactly.

Small games like this are exactly the type they need to fill out the launch library.

It really doesn't surprise me with Nintendo though.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

Asking devs to pitch them a game to THEN show them the system seems like such a dumb, backward move. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

Sounds like Nintendo >_>

 

[GhostTrick]

God I hope the NX is actually decent, I want to buy a Nintendo console again.

If it's not more powerful than the PS4 I will be annoyed.

Expect to be super annoyed then. It might be twice slower.

 

[Forkball]

Nintendo should be groveling at every fucking developer's feet at this point.

Nintendo: "Don't call us, we'll call you. Once we pay our phone bill that's four months late."

 

[Kysen]

So, given that ports aren't an instant thing, this feels unhelpful for a system coming out in 9 months.

Holding out until the reveal is a bit different when that reveal is 18 months before launch instead of 6 months.

Nintendo gonna be Nintendo, seems they still haven't learned anything from last gen.

 

[Feichaw]

Expect to be super annoyed then. It might be twice slower.

How do you know this?

 

[cw_sasuke]

Exactly.

Small games like this are exactly the type they need to fill out the launch library.

It really doesn't surprise me with Nintendo though.

Oh you know the launch lineup already...care to tell ?

 

[Pie and Beans]

I don't think Nintendo realise exactly how low down on the food chain they are in regards to third party developers.

 

[Thraktor]

The NX is not coming out this year. It's just speculation and guessing that seems to have cemented itself into a fact on here.

They are going to put New Zelda out in November to try and tide the Wii U over Christmas then launch NX next year. If its true that 3rd parties were getting development kits beginning of this year they need at least until mid 2017 to produce something.

Not what anyone want stop hear as the thirst for the NX is so high but that's what looks most likely to me.

Macronix told investors recently they expect a big jump in ROM sales in the second half of the year due to a new product launch by one of their partners. Nintendo is by far their largest customer when it comes to ROMs.

AMD have also confirmed that a product will launch in the second half of this year with a semicustom APU, which they had previously heavily indicated to be a games console. Nintendo has followed the same GPU design team right back to the N64 days, so they're heavily expected to use an AMD APU in their home console (and possibly even their handheld).

Whether it's a handheld or home console, all indications at the moment point to Nintendo planning a launch for a new piece of gaming hardware in the second half of this year.

 

[Plinko]

I don't think Nintendo realise exactly how low down on the food chain they are in regards to third party developers.

Understandably so, but a dev on here recently stated that hird party interest in NX is much higher than it was for Wii U.

 

[Bots are better than you]

Well, some rumors are making their ways about EA having NX Devkits since at least sometime last year, how about he's just asking his colleagues about what it is?

Also, i'm pretty sure the system will play ... games ... so, how about they pitch a port of Unravel and see what happens? Or get EA to pitch a port to them, if EA owns the IP.

I guess getting the big pubs on board first is more important for them, smaller studios will probably get their chance some time in the future.

Seems like some things never change, like the historical pathetic third party relations.

Seems like some things never change, like people who don't like Nintendo take one negative sentence as a measurement for the whole situation, and make their own, sometimes pathetic, forecast.

 

[James Scott]

Yesterday's rumor said that EA has NX dev kits so if they want Yarny on NX they'll port it.
A late port of Yarny probably isn't worth it and if they think it is I'm sure it won't take too long to port

 

[Graphics Horse]

Not mobile or low spec ports. I think people may have the wrong mindset. Or maybe I do. There's a reason I think a game like unravel or madden would be the focus and not like...battlefront.

I'm with you. Still though, it doesn't seem to have a great way of courting devs.

 

[DrWong]

I actually had a really fun discussion with a person from Nintendo a while back.

We should take this into account.

 

[Metalmarc]

If its run by the cloud processing, they can essentially run almost any game right? So no worry there

 

[Rodin]

Not mobile or low spec ports. I think people may have the wrong mindset. Or maybe I do. There's a reason I think a game like unravel or madden would be the focus and not like...battlefront.

Battlefield runs on PS360 and could run on the Wii U, and it isn't less demanding than Battlefront, so if those games don't come out on the NX is only because EA and DICE don't see an audience there.

The home may be disappointing in terms of hardware, but it won't be a souped up handheld capable of rendering the same games in 1080p.

How do you know this?

Well he went from 3x slower to half, that's an improvement

Spoiler

He doesn't. Nobody knows aside from Nintendo and the few developers who already have devkits.

 

[Jintor]

if ninty is still looking to get 3rd parties on board (and they do seem to be at least at the indie level) this really is a strange policy to say the least.

 

[Guymelef]

Well, some rumors are making their ways about EA having NX Devkits since at least sometime last year, how about he's just asking his colleagues about what it is?

Also, i'm pretty sure the system will play ... games ... so, how about they pitch a port of Unravel and see what happens? Or get EA to pitch a port to them, if EA owns the IP.

I guess getting the big pubs on board first is more important for them, smaller studios will probably get their chance some time in the future.


Seems like some things never change, like people who don't like Nintendo take one negative sentence as a measurement for the whole situation, and make their own, sometimes pathetic, forecast.

Are you mad?

 

[bomblord1]

We should take this into account.

Yes, we should. But will we remains to be seen

 

[Hoje0308]

If its run by the cloud processing, they can essentially run almost any game right? So no worry there

Nintendo and cloud processing? Come on now, has there even been a single rumor?

 

[Mariolee]

What is with all the NX rumors the past week? Hopefully leading to something substantial soon, preferrably before E3.

 

[GhostTrick]

How do you know this?

I'm speculating. It took 8 years for Nintendo to come up with a 360 equivalent. 3 years after PS4, 300 dollars price point with a gimmick.

 

[Mpl90]

How do you know this?

His shtick: annoying and dehumanizing pessimism and annoyance, with lights here and there of rational thinking (which means also criticizing Nintendo of course, but not so purely)

 

[Shuggananas]

What is with all the NX rumors the past week? Hopefully leading to something substantial soon, preferrably before E3.

We know jackshit and people are grasping at straws

 

[-Horizon-]

Nintendo and cloud processing? Come on now, has there even been a single rumor?

Rumors? No. Patents? Yes.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Even if the Wii U had all 3rd party console developers on board it would have been a failure. It blows my mind so many people still think otherwise.

At this point Nintendo can only succeed with something like the Wii again, trying to go against MS and Sony who have the AAA consuming teenagers locked down, is completely pointless.

Actually, I don't think otherwise. It was a flawed product through and through, but do you really think Nintendo should just give up and NOT try and salvage their third party relations at all? It's bad business practice.

The Wii U was just an undesirable product. From the gamepad to the boring specs to the primitive network features. 3rd party games wouldn't have saved it, but it's not a market Nintendo should completely ignore. Doing that has gotten them nowhere so far.

I'm guessing some smaller devs know what it is, but those devs have a good history with Nintendo. I don't know if an Unravel port is a good idea, frankly. It might fit well with the Nintendo fanbase, but it'd still be a late port.

Wii U failed because it didn't have bigger developers and game on board, so they went after smaller devs after the fact. So that's "PROBABLY" why they went after them primarily with NX, because they're thinking 'hey, if we show we have all these big AAA games, no one can say we don't have them.' But that's just my guess, since I don't think something like Unravel is going to push systems.

They just need to fucking announce the thing, already.

That's likely the reasoning, no doubt. I think they're aware that they at least NEED some presence in that space of the market to stay relevant. Even if it's a slow burner, they'll have to keep on trying.

 

[mobilesworking]

Asking devs to pitch them a game to THEN show them the system seems like such a dumb, backward move. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

There's only so much one can infer from that quotation. We don't know who it is that Sahlin spoke to, nor the circumstances of that conversation. I sincerely doubt this conversation with "a person from Nintendo" reflects the actual pitch process. I'd be very careful (read: reluctant) to draw any assumptions from this stump of an article.

 

[RexNovis]

Well you don't need a lot of time to port mobile games so it makes sense.

 

[Famassu]

And Nintendo learns nothing, it seems. If the system is launching within the next 7-12 months, this is no time for secrecy, especially towards the people who'd actually maybe want to develop some games for the thing.

Well you don't need a lot of time to port mobile games so it makes sense.

Unravel is not a mobile game. And porting isn't as easy as you make it seem. Rushing some shit out in a few months will almost always result in half-assed crap, even if it's "just a port"

 

[Mpl90]

We know jackshit and people are grasping at straws

We have some controlled (presumably) leaks and lots of patents (which could or could not be related to NX), and there seems to be a sort of start of rumour from the West arising (the other rumour from Trev, Tamaki's news about EA)

Also, yes, I suppose "a while back" could be around the end of 2015 as earliest. I'd be very surprised if the talk he's referring to happened even earlier than, say, October/November 2015

 

[bomblord1]

If it's supposedly coming out this holiday? The specs are probably final.

I actually had a really fun discussion with a person from Nintendo a while back.

We should take this into account.

It apparently happened a while ago.

 

[mejin]

They'll never learn, will they?