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Love Boat [Mafia] |OT| Till Death Do Us Part
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Zippedpinhead
Member
I go to dinner and this is what I find when I come back?
Can we have a vote count? I'm on my phone so I can't run the script.
Can we have a vote count? I'm on my phone so I can't run the script.
Zippedpinhead
Member
I need to confer with kark.
Blarg and kawl if you are in on flipping the vote for splinter now is the time to get "in"
Blarg and kawl if you are in on flipping the vote for splinter now is the time to get "in"
It's reserved for Splinter
I believe we are both currently "in", amigo.
I haven't voted, not sure yet. But the reason I'm not hammering Blarg just yet is because of Splint's dismissal of people's posts and a post a page or two back where they unvoted. Seemed off to me, Kark caught it too.
Though I'm not convinced on either side yet.
It's as I've been saying:
- scummy reaction to not wanting to hammer Blarg
- sketchy behavior overall, across both days
-too easy to get to this point; very little resistance from anyone about the blarg vote.
- Happens to be in the position where his flip potentially repairs the relationship between Blawl and us (but he needs to be onboard)
- Avoids the potential and likely disaster from this game really doing two town trackers (and this town promptly losing both)
Blargonaut
Banned
Alright... forgive me, but as much as I'm raring to partake of Shiverin' *Splinter me Timbers and Cap'n Cabot and stay up to reiterate my megapost accusations regarding their scummy weird embracing of Timeflux 'Most Slippery WIFOM Award' ex-Namecop, it's like 2:45am here and I need to ly dow for today.
I'd like to thank Kark for finally noticing me <3 I agree with the points you've stated above as being plausible #scumtells against them, and if I'm still around tomorrow I'll try and expand on them myself. sry to leave you hanging like this; maybe Kawl can help you with this push while I'm AFK. Kawl, I mean anything.
If we haven't been lynched yet when I wake up, I'll try and jump in to this Well Rested before D2 closes; but again, I believe I've already laid out a plausible 'guilty-by-association' case against *Splint x Cabot in our megapost, regarding their defensive parenting of Timeflux after the 'confession', and additionally, *Splint's dismissive hand-waving nature this game regarding all things Team BLAWL and their pairs' mutual desire for our TURBO'ing Today, perhaps taking advantage of an easy Miller bussing to hide themselves in plain sight in:
I'd like to thank Kark for finally noticing me <3 I agree with the points you've stated above as being plausible #scumtells against them, and if I'm still around tomorrow I'll try and expand on them myself. sry to leave you hanging like this; maybe Kawl can help you with this push while I'm AFK. Kawl, I mean anything.
If we haven't been lynched yet when I wake up, I'll try and jump in to this Well Rested before D2 closes; but again, I believe I've already laid out a plausible 'guilty-by-association' case against *Splint x Cabot in our megapost, regarding their defensive parenting of Timeflux after the 'confession', and additionally, *Splint's dismissive hand-waving nature this game regarding all things Team BLAWL and their pairs' mutual desire for our TURBO'ing Today, perhaps taking advantage of an easy Miller bussing to hide themselves in plain sight in:
Alright
If I'm scum and Blarg is town, why all this fuss? I could have voted days ago or just kept quiet this evening.
If I'm scum and regardless of Blarg's alignment, why do we put Blarg at one away from turbo (Cabot's vote) and then suddenly kick up a stink over the last vote?
If I'm scum and Kark is town, why does my flip give him so much confidence in Blarg that he's suddenly willing to believe in 2 trackers?
You don't make sense.
If I'm scum and Blarg is town, why all this fuss? I could have voted days ago or just kept quiet this evening.
If I'm scum and regardless of Blarg's alignment, why do we put Blarg at one away from turbo (Cabot's vote) and then suddenly kick up a stink over the last vote?
If I'm scum and Kark is town, why does my flip give him so much confidence in Blarg that he's suddenly willing to believe in 2 trackers?
You don't make sense.
Fair enough. But if Splinter flips town, what do we get out of it? I see Blarg's flip providing much more information. Now, if you think Splinter is more likely to be maf, obviously that is where you should vote. But, as it stands Blarg seems a better candidate still and he'll provide us with more to go on if he flips.
If he flips Town, Blarg can come off this conspiracy theory that we're colluding (to be fair, he could do this anyway).
It also answers something about the relationship between him and your team (as they HAVE vouched for your team, which is a bit odd).
Blarg flipping Town is very bad, because now people will feel obligated to lynch me, despite the consensus of this whole adventure being that I'm most likely Town. Also, mafia will come along for the ride here.
TBH, if Splinter flips mafia, they will probably retaliate by NKing me tonight to cast suspicion on Blarg. This is why it's very important that Blarg makes a push to get votes for Splinter.
You and zipped have both said something to this extent. We are both voting for Splintbot and we are considering your proposed plans for night actions. We aren't going to blindly agree to a usage of our tracking if we think its a dumb plan, but as long as it's reasonable we are onboard.
Giant Panda
Member
Well this has certainly been a big swing. Splinter was acting a little sketchy, but not scummy to the point that I would have imagined such a reverse bandwagon possible. But if I'm going to be honest, between Splinterbot and Blawl, I'd rather see Blawl live so that we can continue to get more info from the tracking.
VOTE: Cabot
VOTE: Cabot
So Blarg already outlined some of the connections that can have light shed on them by a flip of Canter, from some of the weird moves they've had on some of the notable couples in the game.
I'll note that the biggest thing to me is the complete disengagement from the responsibility of hammering/turboing. Splinter seems determined to fulfill the day to the full length despite his belief that no one in town will be dumb enough to change votes. If he really felt that we were scum and wanted to act in town's interest it seems to me that he would take the opportunity to finish the day and glean the information from our flip at that time.
If he was scum however, extending the day for maximum possibility for chaos and carnage behooves him, as well as not being the final executioner for a miller tracker.
But I'll also be completely honest in that I was going to vote on whoever got some momentum behind them that wasn't me and Blarg out of self preservation.
Hyperactivity
Banned
Why are we voting splinter now?
This is aclassic case of town talking themselves out of the obvious move. Turbo that shit and get it over with
This is aclassic case of town talking themselves out of the obvious move. Turbo that shit and get it over with
Hyperactivity
Banned
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Blargonaut & Kawl_USC (13)
Karkador .1889 .2609
Zippedpinhead .1892 .2608
Flame_AC .1893 .2694
Hyperactivity .1895
*Splinter .1919 .2145
batsnacks .1930
Timeaisis .2009
Camjo-Z .2086 .2451
TL21xx .2090
LaunchpadMcQ .2130
Kyanrute .2142
Retroid .2224 .2225
Retroid .2225
FluxWaveZ .2329 .2486
UltraJay .2453
cabot .2489
Camjo-Z .2514
FluxWaveZ .2516 .2601
FluxWaveZ .2610 .2657
Boo Boo'n .2677
FluxWaveZ .2687
kingkitty .2700
*Splinter & cabot (7)
LaunchpadMcQ .1764 .2130
Ty4on .2491
*Splinter .2581
FluxWaveZ .2601 .2610
Kawl_USC .2603
Zippedpinhead .2608
Karkador .2609
Blargonaut .2622
FluxWaveZ .2657 .2687
Giant Panda .2719
Coppanuva & Flame_AC (1)
Dusk Soldier .1992
Karkador & Zippedpinhead (1)
Gorlak .2044 .2057
Ty4on .2271 .2347
Karu .2446
El Topo & Giant Panda (0)
cabot .1625 .1663
cabot .1941 .2028
FluxWaveZ & Timeaisis (0)
Gorlak .1699 .2040
Camjo-Z .1846 .2086
Coppanuva .1903 .1990
Blargonaut .1911 .2377
TL21xx .2042 .2090
Blargonaut .2377 .2622
FluxWaveZ .2486 .2516
batsnacks & MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Flame_AC .1745 .1893
Ty4on .2406 .2491
Hobohodo & Ty4on (0)
FluxWaveZ .1920 .2235
cabot .2028 .2146
cabot .2146 .2334
cabot .2334 .2489
Gorlak & LaunchpadMcQ (0)
Giant Panda .1637 .1640
Giant Panda .1640 .2719
UltraJay .1688 .1695
Coppanuva .1994 .2061
Hyperactivity & kingkitty (0)
cabot .1670 .1941
No active vote for Day 2:
Coppanuva (has previously voted)
El Topo
Flame_AC (has previously voted)
Gorlak (has previously voted)
Hobohodo
MagnumBoy20xx
Day 2 ends:
15 votes for majority
Blargonaut & Kawl_USC (13)
Hyperactivity .1895
batsnacks .1930
Timeaisis .2009
TL21xx .2090
LaunchpadMcQ .2130
Kyanrute .2142
Retroid .2225
UltraJay .2453
cabot .2489
Camjo-Z .2514
Boo Boo'n .2677
FluxWaveZ .2687
kingkitty .2700
*Splinter & cabot (7)
Ty4on .2491
*Splinter .2581
Kawl_USC .2603
Zippedpinhead .2608
Karkador .2609
Blargonaut .2622
Giant Panda .2719
Coppanuva & Flame_AC (1)
Dusk Soldier .1992
Karkador & Zippedpinhead (1)
Karu .2446
El Topo & Giant Panda (0)
FluxWaveZ & Timeaisis (0)
batsnacks & MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Hobohodo & Ty4on (0)
Gorlak & LaunchpadMcQ (0)
Hyperactivity & kingkitty (0)
No active vote for Day 2:
Coppanuva (has previously voted)
El Topo
Flame_AC (has previously voted)
Gorlak (has previously voted)
Hobohodo
MagnumBoy20xx
Day 2 ends:
15 votes for majority
Too late. We had our chance, and it flew by.
Hyperactivity
Banned
What fucking tracking info are we getting? If we have roleblockers, on scum or town side, tonight will be useless. Scum probably won't give either one a useful job, and worst we just give them more information
You guys are too stupid to be taken seriously if you're seriously considering this
You guys are too stupid to be taken seriously if you're seriously considering this
this tbh. anyone voting for splinter/cabot based on this shit is just a straight up fool
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Ok, lets compromise here.
Let's lynch Blawl today, and Splintbot tomorrow. Deal?
Let's lynch Blawl today, and Splintbot tomorrow. Deal?
Maybe we should lynch you.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Well, alright then. I'm just going to disappear for another 8 hours...
Beyond all of the name calling, people who don't have an active vote or remain voting on some other couple with one vote seem shady as hell to me. Make a decision, take a stand. Even if it moves me and Blarg closer to our fate instead of Splintbot, make a choice. Provide some reasoning/feelings. Casual coasting on the sideline does Yall no favors.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
I'd like to revisit this comment once you're flipped.
Ok, sure you do you Launch, but I mean that shit applies universally. Avoiding getting involved in the nitty gritty (aka voting) of a day's big argument/showdown is a huge red flag. Taking actual stances with votes is much more easily analyzed and compared versus simply saying you feel x or think x but not backing it up with the weight of your vote when it comes down to crunch time.
#2094
cabot throws shit at Blawl because they obviously have to be x-shot.
Immediatly afterwards Splinter comes in and corrects his teammate, oh look how townie they are, working together and correcting themselves. This happened more often (i.e. the crab scale, cabot wants to infer the number of power roles, splinter comes in "this is not how it works, sweetie") - it's some sort of good cop, bad cop shit. That happened at the end of day 1 as well, while I was showing my suspicion on cabot. Cabot was ignorant of anything I said and just tried to laugh it away, while Splinter seemed "sane" and admitted defending HyperKitty more than he thought, basically confirming my suspicion.
Another weird way of acting was Splinter's summarizing posts. He included only 2/3 of the teams and it didn't achieve anything other than conveying HIS opinion on the teams.
I want to point out the assessment of two teams specifically:
Launch and Gorlak
Coppa and Flame
While he is very reconciling with Launch and me, he completely ignores that I voted Kark. Both Blawl and Karkhead have made moves that make no sense if they are scum.
While I was very clear that I disliked Flux' play and want him gone, he doesn't think it's a big deal. Nothing suspicious in itself if he hadn't pointed it out with Flame so much.
He basically condemns both of them because they vote Blarg (like 50% of the players) and made a "soft push" in the policy lynching direction. WTF.
This was weird to me and I looked at Flame's posts, maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't found a post pushing for a policy lynch at all. My stance was 200% clearer and yet Splinter thought those two were more suspicious?
Now, I don't want to defend Flame and Coppa, I'm more examining Splinter's argument and explain why it's a bad argument... Sound familiar? #2345
Splinter and Cabot defended Flux' today for unknown reasons.
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I think those two are very subtle. They try to add jokes and be "that funny guy who always has a joke at hand", you feel comfortable around them. You easily tend to trust them and than you start listening to their opinion. I think those are our high activity scum pair who dominate this thread far too much. They shift and steer this discussion at will.
cabot throws shit at Blawl because they obviously have to be x-shot.
Immediatly afterwards Splinter comes in and corrects his teammate, oh look how townie they are, working together and correcting themselves. This happened more often (i.e. the crab scale, cabot wants to infer the number of power roles, splinter comes in "this is not how it works, sweetie") - it's some sort of good cop, bad cop shit. That happened at the end of day 1 as well, while I was showing my suspicion on cabot. Cabot was ignorant of anything I said and just tried to laugh it away, while Splinter seemed "sane" and admitted defending HyperKitty more than he thought, basically confirming my suspicion.
Another weird way of acting was Splinter's summarizing posts. He included only 2/3 of the teams and it didn't achieve anything other than conveying HIS opinion on the teams.
I want to point out the assessment of two teams specifically:
Launch and Gorlak
Coppa and Flame
While he is very reconciling with Launch and me, he completely ignores that I voted Kark. Both Blawl and Karkhead have made moves that make no sense if they are scum.
While I was very clear that I disliked Flux' play and want him gone, he doesn't think it's a big deal. Nothing suspicious in itself if he hadn't pointed it out with Flame so much.
He basically condemns both of them because they vote Blarg (like 50% of the players) and made a "soft push" in the policy lynching direction. WTF.
This was weird to me and I looked at Flame's posts, maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't found a post pushing for a policy lynch at all. My stance was 200% clearer and yet Splinter thought those two were more suspicious?
Now, I don't want to defend Flame and Coppa, I'm more examining Splinter's argument and explain why it's a bad argument... Sound familiar? #2345
Splinter and Cabot defended Flux' today for unknown reasons.
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I think those two are very subtle. They try to add jokes and be "that funny guy who always has a joke at hand", you feel comfortable around them. You easily tend to trust them and than you start listening to their opinion. I think those are our high activity scum pair who dominate this thread far too much. They shift and steer this discussion at will.
Going over this now (and it's late so I am keeping this brief. Most of this is based on the most recent posts since I've been busy. I may elaborate in morning):
I agree with flame on this about Splinter just handwaving everything away. Something about how confident he was in his safety and blawl Lynch just rubs me the wrong way and I can't get past it. I think it's that he saw it as an "extended dusk phase" but that he apparently was uninterested in doing anything with it here. He wanted to keep it alive, but apparently not to actually talk here. I don't like it.
Vote: *Splinter
I agree with flame on this about Splinter just handwaving everything away. Something about how confident he was in his safety and blawl Lynch just rubs me the wrong way and I can't get past it. I think it's that he saw it as an "extended dusk phase" but that he apparently was uninterested in doing anything with it here. He wanted to keep it alive, but apparently not to actually talk here. I don't like it.
Vote: *Splinter
While I agree, isn't it everyones job to make everyone feel comfortable? They seem to be doing a great job of it, having a lot of posts and what not, but everyone wants to appear to be sided with the larger piece of the pie, even if you are in that.
I thought during the first day they were really great at bringing up interesting points and generally leading the discussion, which is super helpful for town. I don't know if what you have said is necessarily a bad thing?
I do think the opinions on the teams were a bit weird, especially as they seemed to be interested in making lots of posts rather than being helpful in that specific case.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Blargonaut & Kawl_USC (12)
Karkador .1889 .2609
Zippedpinhead .1892 .2608
Flame_AC .1893 .2694
Hyperactivity .1895
*Splinter .1919 .2145
batsnacks .1930
Timeaisis .2009
Camjo-Z .2086 .2451
TL21xx .2090
LaunchpadMcQ .2130
Kyanrute .2142
Retroid .2224 .2225
Retroid .2225 .2735
FluxWaveZ .2329 .2486
UltraJay .2453
cabot .2489
Camjo-Z .2514
FluxWaveZ .2516 .2601
FluxWaveZ .2610 .2657
Boo Boo'n .2677
FluxWaveZ .2687
kingkitty .2700
*Splinter & cabot (10)
LaunchpadMcQ .1764 .2130
Ty4on .2491
*Splinter .2581
FluxWaveZ .2601 .2610
Kawl_USC .2603
Zippedpinhead .2608
Karkador .2609
Blargonaut .2622
FluxWaveZ .2657 .2687
Giant Panda .2719
Flame_AC .2724
Gorlak .2733
Coppanuva .2737
Karkador & Zippedpinhead (1)
Gorlak .2044 .2057
Ty4on .2271 .2347
Karu .2446
Coppanuva & Flame_AC (1)
Dusk Soldier .1992
El Topo & Giant Panda (0)
cabot .1625 .1663
cabot .1941 .2028
FluxWaveZ & Timeaisis (0)
Gorlak .1699 .2040
Camjo-Z .1846 .2086
Coppanuva .1903 .1990
Blargonaut .1911 .2377
TL21xx .2042 .2090
Blargonaut .2377 .2622
FluxWaveZ .2486 .2516
batsnacks & MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Flame_AC .1745 .1893
Ty4on .2406 .2491
Hobohodo & Ty4on (0)
FluxWaveZ .1920 .2235
cabot .2028 .2146
cabot .2146 .2334
cabot .2334 .2489
Gorlak & LaunchpadMcQ (0)
Giant Panda .1637 .1640
Giant Panda .1640 .2719
UltraJay .1688 .1695
Coppanuva .1994 .2061
Hyperactivity & kingkitty (0)
cabot .1670 .1941
No active vote for Day 2:
El Topo
Hobohodo
MagnumBoy20xx
Retroid (has previously voted)
Day 2 ends:
15 votes for majority
Blargonaut & Kawl_USC (12)
Hyperactivity .1895
batsnacks .1930
Timeaisis .2009
TL21xx .2090
LaunchpadMcQ .2130
Kyanrute .2142
UltraJay .2453
cabot .2489
Camjo-Z .2514
Boo Boo'n .2677
FluxWaveZ .2687
kingkitty .2700
*Splinter & cabot (10)
Ty4on .2491
*Splinter .2581
Kawl_USC .2603
Zippedpinhead .2608
Karkador .2609
Blargonaut .2622
Giant Panda .2719
Flame_AC .2724
Gorlak .2733
Coppanuva .2737
Karkador & Zippedpinhead (1)
Karu .2446
Coppanuva & Flame_AC (1)
Dusk Soldier .1992
El Topo & Giant Panda (0)
FluxWaveZ & Timeaisis (0)
batsnacks & MagnumBoy20xx (0)
Hobohodo & Ty4on (0)
Gorlak & LaunchpadMcQ (0)
Hyperactivity & kingkitty (0)
No active vote for Day 2:
El Topo
Hobohodo
MagnumBoy20xx
Retroid (has previously voted)
Day 2 ends:
15 votes for majority
No. There is no reason to make you feel comfortable. There are liars among us who want to deceive us, brutally murder us at night! You seem to have a fundamentally opposing view to mine. Making friends doesn't help us win.
We have to find scum, that's everyones job.
What? Leading discussion isn't inherently super helpful. Don't you understand? Scum would lead discussion as to divert attention (maybe defend HyperKitty and bring up CzarTim as a potential lynch option). The first day everything revolved around two claims which could be town plays. This would make scum's job to appear townie by creating discussion very easy! There is no reason to believe Cabot and Splinter are town in my opinion.
It's the little things you can barely grasp. As I said the way they try to subtly influence the general opinion strikes me as scummy.
^Launch has been suspicious of me all game, but at least he's being sensible about this.
And I guess I don't have to worry about a turbo any more
VOTE: Blargonaut
This is a case of taking literally anything we post and saying "this is scum pretending to be town!"
Sure it's true that scum are trying to appear town, and will often post townie looking things... But you could take this argument and apply it to literally any post ever made. You even attack me for giving my opinions in here... what am I supposed to respond to in this?
Can we really get information from both tracker teams? One may be dead tomorrow and if that's the case we'd go after the other. But if they were both town? We just played into mafia's hands and got dealt a pretty devastating blow. Hopfully the other power roles do a great job and we end up with both alive with results - fake or not.
Blarg's reaction to Kark's suggestion strikes me as town, though. He's like, "What? Really?" instead of jumping to somebody else. It could be because *Cabot is a fellow scum team or because Blarg is town. I guess we'll revisit that based on what happens tonight.
Vote:*Splinter
Blarg's reaction to Kark's suggestion strikes me as town, though. He's like, "What? Really?" instead of jumping to somebody else. It could be because *Cabot is a fellow scum team or because Blarg is town. I guess we'll revisit that based on what happens tonight.
Vote:*Splinter
ikr
The point is your effort seems fake to me. It doesn't feel like you actually want to help to find scum.
Anyway, you can't apply these points to any post ever made:
Dismissing my arguments by simply handwaving them (this applies to end Day1 cabot)
Defending HyperKitty Day 1 while preparing CzarTim as an option
Defending FluxTime Day 2
Inconsistent assessment of policy lynch advocates
So in my last post I said I was against voting out our potential trackers and would rather have voted for Times pair. I am inclined to go for Cabot/Splinter for the same reason as its increasingly becoming a cabot or Blarg situation.
Got a class to go teach in like 20 mins or so so I should probably put a vote down before then.
Got a class to go teach in like 20 mins or so so I should probably put a vote down before then.
When your arguments are weak, there's nothing I can do but hand wave. Go back to your earlier post attacking me in D1, it's a load of hot air. What you describe is a gut read, but you keep dressing it up as something more than that and have focused on that, and little else, for the entire game so far.
And then you accuse ME of fake effort. It's insulting.
"Defended Hyperkitty day 1", yes I was more convinced of scum elsewhere and in hindsight was defending more than I realised (well, redirecting). I don't apologise, I town read Hyperkitty.
"Preparing CzarTim as an option" is objectively untrue. I was away from the thread for a bit so my vote came in relatively late. I had been slightly suspect of Tim before but I'm pretty sure I never voiced it here.
"Defended Flux D2", yes I town read him, problem? Even if I didn't I would be insisting we resolve this tracker mess, it's ridiculous to suggest they could both be town.
Inconsistent assessment? It's basically a read list based on what I thought where the key issues of the day. It was abandoned because it turned out kind of pointless and I'd already been going for two hours. Inconsistent? I don't see it, Floppa's position looked shady to me so I called it. That's Mafia.