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That's Nero, a different Saber.
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Fate/Extella announced for PS4/Vita
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That's Nero, a different Saber.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
Does Marvelous let anyone else localize their games other than XSEED? I'd love to see this come over but XSEED seems to have their hands full and realistically if they did come around to localizing this game I wouldn't be surprised if it was late 2017 or even 2018.
Well, Fate/Extra was published by Marvelous in Japan and published by Aksys over here, so I don't think that's an issue (if nothing has changed between now and then). I think the games localization chances entirely depend on the size of the script. XSEED is pretty busy with Trails and other games, they probably wouldn't be able to localize another game with lots of text. And Nasu said he has even more free reign than usual this time so it will most likely be very text-heavy. That leaves Aksys and who knows if they are interested again in localizing another Fate game.
You're right, lots of people with terrible taste out there. I hope he's not one of those.
I choose to unread these words because I am a man of impeccable taste
my mother told me so!
Se7enSword
Banned
Definitely looks much better now.
Really hoping the game is fun.
Really hoping the game is fun.
Figured it was some sort of Extra spinoff being an actual game. Story by Nasu is a bonus though. No idea where they are going to take it though..some sort of GO type thing where they just add more and more servants to the fray through DLC?
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No taste. Zero hangons are probably the worst aspect of the Fate fandom in many years. Don't have any respect for the source material at all and just want to keep things 'edgy' and 'grimdark' for the sake of it. Zero is a great expansion of the base work's universe, but that's all it is.
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Watch Fate/Zero because it's good. Skip everything else because they're bad.
No taste. Zero hangons are probably the worst aspect of the Fate fandom in many years. Don't have any respect for the source material at all and just want to keep things 'edgy' and 'grimdark' for the sake of it. Zero is a great expansion of the base work's universe, but that's all it is.
Serenade_King
Banned
I forgot she had a butt window(cleavage?). It's wierd that it doesn't get used that much on fan service games, especially on action ones since the characters back is what you look at the most. I'll use Red Saber but hope that Lancer is playable since he's my favorite thanks to Carnival Phantasm.
LifeBrandRobot
Member
I'm sure Aksys would be willing if allowed. They localize a lot of random titles as well as text heavy games. I mean, they localized two visual novels for Vita/PS3.
iRAWRasaurus
Banned
I want it.
Wait... What? Uhhh... explain how it doesn't have any respect for the source material?
EvilKatarn
Member
Nero's model looks hideous.
E: Scratch that. Everything looks hideous. I hope these are Vita shots.
E: Scratch that. Everything looks hideous. I hope these are Vita shots.
Not Zero itself. I'm talking about Zero secondaries. People who got into the Fate franchise through Ufotable Zero and basically have no respect for literally anything else Fate or TM related because its not written by "Urobutcher", or can't come to terms with the tone of the series or portrayal of the characters from the wider verse. I'm biased as a fan of TM and all it encompasses, but its just disrespect to me.
Trust me, this is probably the biggest budget console game project TM has invested in so far(maybe even in general in regards to the VNs). Hopefully the PS4 version cleans up a lot of the rougher edges
Don't think so, looks like it's the whole artstyle.
EvilKatarn
Member
Phew, I'm in the clear. Watched F/SN 2006 first.
If one just doesn't like Fate in general because they think its bad, its one thing. But i think UfoZero is unique in that it portrays elements of the series wholly differently from the other parts of the franchise.
Being uniquely designed as a tragedy from the beginning, with a dark tone and character set ups already fleshed out from the FSN VN over 3 entire routes, that may seem obvious, but it gives new fans very wrong conclusions i feel. Which is why it should be seen in the order it was launched(FSN VN first, then Zero as expansion material)
But even then, UfoZero just comes together differently, even when compared to reading the Zero LN.
CenturionKei
Banned
Since its red saber (Nero), hopefully we get Yuri again just like in Fate/Extra
Se7enSword
Banned
hosannainexcelsis
Member
Respect? Why should I have respect? I'm certainly not hanging on to anything. I like the Fate/Zero anime because it is good, and I dislike everything else Fate I have experienced because they are bad. That's all there is to it. I have no interest in "grimdark" and I'm not generally a fan of Urobuchi, but the Fate/Zero anime is certainly better executed than anything Nasu has written.
Assuming this is an omegaforce knockoff is probably the best conclusion to come to at this point.
Okay. Based on how you've talked, i'm assuming you(like most secondaries) literally have only based your opinion of Nasu's entire portfolio as "bad" on incomplete anime adaptions of FSN of varying quality whilst dismissing literally everything else, including the source material of that.
With that in mind, that's my entire issue with that aspect of the fandom, and its very grating.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
I have read portions of the Fate/stay Night and Tsukihime VNs, as well as watched the Kara no Kyoukai films.
Darth_Caedus
No longer canonical
I would love for the Fate franchise to release a 3D fighter in the vein of Dragonball Xenoverse or Pokken. The franchise is perfect for a game like that, maybe one day!
CenturionKei
Banned
Oh man. Fate/Zero fans can be so annoying at times.
The only epic part of Zero is Rider. Nothing more. The original VN is so much better. (Zero was based on a light novel and a prequel if i recall)
The anime of the VN is awful, but the Visual Novel itself is awesome. (Though i dislike Shirou...)
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well I've read all of F/SN, Tsukihime, Mahoyo, Kara no Kyoukai, Zero, played Extra and consider myself a fan of TM. All the Nasu made stuff is pretty awful and I can admit that despite liking it.
Looks pretty interesting. I always enjoy action and musou-style games and remain a fan on the Fate series despite its sometimes questionable quality.
If a miracle happens and this is:
1. A decent game
2. Localised in the west
3. Not full of waifu pandering garbage
I'll be sure to pick it up.
If a miracle happens and this is:
1. A decent game
2. Localised in the west
3. Not full of waifu pandering garbage
I'll be sure to pick it up.
Assuming this is an omegaforce knockoff is probably the best conclusion to come to at this point.
Don't start. My entire problem is with hipsters. All i'm saying is, a portion of the fandom needs read the complete source material without basing their opinions on meme like negative opinions beforehand.
Zero is not anywhere near the only quality work of Type Moon, and its very annoying to have to hear that from people who hold up UfoZero as the holy grail(pun not intended)
You should read them in their entirety, i'm not exactly sure what 'portions' entails..and i'm assuming your problem with KnK was that it was "pretentious and i could not understand what was going on" right?
These are occasional criticisms from people who jump headfirst into these types of works, but the thrust of my view is that these things isn't the fault the base work, or make it objectively bad. It may be controversial in that its a love it or hate it affair, but i don't think that's fair angle to dismiss it as objectively bad like i've heard here.
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hosannainexcelsis
Member
I'm annoying because I read the Fate/stay Night VN and didn't like it? Sorry for not being a super Type-Moon fan like some of you apparently are, but I don't like Nasu's writing and that's about that. The worst parts of Fate/Zero are the parts that need to tie directly into Fate Stay/Night, such as the portrayal of Saber. The best things to come out of the Nasuverse are in spite of Nasu, such as Fate/Zero and Hirao's treatment of Paradox Spiral, where his avant-garde direction helped cover over that much of the writing was nonsense.
Most of the debate in this thread has little to no revelancy to the actual game anyways. Even though it is a spinoff universe afterall.
Until they start adding guest characters from all of TM. Then it becomes a "best girl" conversation, and then we can start replicating a portion of the Fate fandom.
But if you like it, and are a fan, you can't really say its awful can you? Like, what's so awful about it that you stick around? Dismissing the fact that its not a sentiment generally shared from ongoing fans.
If your going to imply a Kingdom Hearts fandom scenario...that's not even a fair comparison to make.
(Also, how did you read all of Mahoyo when only chapters 1-5 are translated?)
hosannainexcelsis
Member
I started reading both the Fate/Stay Night and Tsukihime VNs, got a few hours into them, but I'm not going to continue to read something for 50+ hours if I don't like what I'm reading.
As for Kara no Kyoukai, I don't see them as particularly "pretentious", but they have generally bad characterization (especially Shiki and especially Mikiya) and an overreliance on jargon which is a common problem in fantasy writing.
I love all of TYPE-MOON works, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Fate universe and characters (both the original VN and FZ) and I even played the garbage game called Fate/Extra but this shctick of them of making servants "Oh but wait, he was actually a woman and wore pandering clothes at that!" in some their new material is making me roll my eyes so much.
At least Red Saber was kind of hilarious and made a F/E a little more bearable but... eh.
Saves us Tsukihime remake!
At least Red Saber was kind of hilarious and made a F/E a little more bearable but... eh.
Saves us Tsukihime remake!
lol, that thing is never going to come out in english so I don't know why do I care T_T
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Well if you look at it at the point of someone who likes to read trashy novels that would probably hit the point. I think the TM world is interesting but I don't really think Nasu is a great author and should be an ideas guy. Gen wrote a much more interesting story using the setting than Nasu ever has and it shows extremely well which is why I can easily recommend Zero to others. FSN on the other hand is filled with repetitious writing with bad characterization and flawed execution and I like it despite that but I can't in all honestly recommend it to someone looking for something good to read without knowing they're tastes would allow it.
Very slowly just like when S;G was only on 360 and PC in Japanese.
I read all of F/SN before any other Fate stuff (besides the anime) was in English and I still think Fate/Zero is better than F/SN as a whole and definitely better than any individual part of F/SN that's been adapted to anime. Dismissing people for liking the best written and most accessible Fate work as being filthy secondaries makes you look like a fool.
Neoleo2143
Member
While I am opposed to Fate/Zero's almost ridiculous Nihilism, I can say it was quite interesting stuff, even if the first half has nothing much going on because no one wants to make a move.
Do you realize how elitist you sound when talking about that "portion of the fandom"? Personally I've only read the FSN vn (and watched that awful first UBW movie) and haven't touched Zero or anything afterwards, but people can enjoy or dislike whatever they want. What others think shouldn't bother you as much as it does regardless of what parts of the franchise they've experienced and you shouldn't feel like they need to "correct" their opinions.
I read FS/N due to the hype well before I'd ever heard of Zero, came close(?) to finishing the first route and gave up on it. Tortuous to read, and what I learned about the future routes hardly inspired me to continue. I liked Fate/Extra more (the far more professional localization helped), though I'd never bring myself to play it again - just an awful game.
Fate/Zero remains the only part of the franchise I've ever really enjoyed, though even that had its' flaws.
Happy to see they ditched the two-dimensional nature of the original Extra's mechanics in favour of a musou-esque angle.
Fate/Zero remains the only part of the franchise I've ever really enjoyed, though even that had its' flaws.
Happy to see they ditched the two-dimensional nature of the original Extra's mechanics in favour of a musou-esque angle.
Se7enSword
Banned
Literally the best Fate thing.
Hopefully best lancer is in Extella as a playable too.
While I am a Type-moon fan, I mostly like the characters, not the plot/story side of things. Not fond of Nasu's writing.
I assume I shouldn't really watch it yet, considering from all of the Type-Moon works I only know Fate, UBW and Zero (just what was in the animes). And some Extra.
And Prisma Ilya.
Se7enSword
Banned
Just add Tsukihime to that list and you're good to go.
The anime doesn't exist, btw. It's a myth.
Abyssal God
Banned
You do realize that Nasu come up with all of the ideas and plot points of Zero right? He wrote the outline as before and as he was writing FSN itself, which is why the LN came out only 2 years after the original VN. Gen only put them into a complete story and came up with the character personality for Waver. They collaborated on the LN in its entirety. So basing that on Gen Urobuchi alone makes no sense.
If i'm apart of the fandom, the same as them, i can make my opinions known. There's an entire universe of TM. Dismissing literally everything else about Nasu's work because of an admittedly great anime adaption of a single part without bothering to try and understand anything else about it is not something i support.
That's just what i think, and i will continue to criticize those people who have that viewpoint.
Again, if you experienced FSN first and didn't like it, that's perfectly fine. I just have a specific issue with people basing or dismissing the rest of the franchise based on Ufotable's Zero, when they are completely different in terms of tone, narrative type and other things
Darth_Caedus
No longer canonical
I'm a Type Moon fanboy and didn't enjoy Zero at all. Loved Stay Night, loved Hollow, loved Tsukihime, Melty Blood was solid, Kagetsu Tohya was fun, and look up all the extra info on the Nasuverse. Zero was horrible to me and I hate Urobuchi's writing style, the guy write way too dark and depressing and doesn't know how to have fun. Plus his ability to write good characters with proper development is crap. Take Kamen Rider Gaim and its horribleness for example.
I didn't enjoy Zero's story much either. Just a simplified version of Stay Night's story.
I didn't enjoy Zero's story much either. Just a simplified version of Stay Night's story.
Nailed it. Most of Kiritsugu's character and ideal are written by Nasu and already established in F/SN. His complete backstory and details are probably written by Urobuchi, but I would consider him mainly a Nasu-written character. Same with Kotomine.
While I think this whole "secondaries" thing is unnecessarily hostile and elitist and shows the fanbase in a bad light, it's true that some Zero fans don't even attempt to like or understand F/SN. I have no problem with people hating F/SN or thinking that it's bad or people prefering Zero. The problem is most of the time people complain about F/SN it's about completely stupid and arbitrary things that don't make sense. From my lurking experience classics include "Shirou is a generic Shounen protagonist" and "Fate/Zero was written for mature audiences, while Stay night was written for teenagers".
Shirou being dumb and generic is most of the times either based on the anime adaptions (and even then, while UBW didn't properly represent his character, there are definitely some elements that let you figure his character out) or people just parroting memes. If you think that you either have to read the VN or do some research, because he just isn't that. Of course you can still hate or criticize him, just do some research. The second point is just dumb, because Zero was originally written for fans of F/SN, it's the same audience. That's why it throws spoilers around like nothing, they assume that you already know all of that. It annoys me that newcomers to the franchise get such a wrong picture of F/SN, because I myself saw many "Shirou is so dumb" posts before reading the VN.
I overall liked Zero, but I agree with you. Zero's story is basically F/SN's "Superhero" BAD END just with Kiritsugu. While nice to see, it doesn't really offer you anything new that F/SN didn't already give you in regards to the whole "idealism" theme. Zero is a nice complimentary story that offers many parallels to F/SN, but I don't think it's in any way equal to F/SN, especially since it's around three times as short.
To not totally derail the thread, I wonder how the structure of the game will be. Will it have a big story where you basically switch around with the Servants you play or will it be more like Extra where you choose a Servant and play an entire story with them? I actually would prefer the latter, even though it would probably reduce the amount of characters you can choose because writing so many stories would take a bit of time. But I prefer it, because it offers a more focused view on the Servant unlike something like Grand Order.