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[Barack Lesnar]

Soooo, I hate to be that guy but the thread has over 3000 replies so I have to ask...what's the consensus? Any confirmation that it's real? Anything of note in the 3000 replies?

My quick take: Nintendo makes comfy as hell controllers. People thought the Wii U controller would be uncomfortable to hold and use based on its look but it was anything but...i have faith in Nintendo when it comes to ergonomics

 

[jblank83]

Considering that 1/3rd of the screen is going to be covered by thumbs, the usable field of view is pitifully tiny. I can't see this being real. One you think that a tech demo would use a wider fov to emphasise the benefits of the ultra wide screen, not give us postage-stamp-o-vision that's cropped not only vertically and but also horizontally.

It's like an ultra-wide format. You have 16:9 in the middle, plus a little extra on the sides. If the edges get covered up, it doesn't affect the gameplay, because all the action is in the middle. Further, the amount that gets covered is 10% or so (guesstimate).

"Why?" Because it looks cool and gets people to pick the thing up.

Soooo, I hate to be that guy but the thread has over 3000 replies so I have to ask...what's the consensus? Any confirmation that it's real? Anything of note in the 3000 replies?

My quick take: Nintendo makes comfy as hell controllers. People thought the Wii U controller would be uncomfortable to hold and use based on its look but it was anything but...i have faith in Nintendo when it comes to ergonomics

The consensus is that no one has any fucking idea.

 

[BahamutPT]

Well, remember, Nintendo wants to create something that doesn't completely abandon the WiiU

They said they don't want to abandon the Wii U userbase IIRC, meaning they won't stop releasing games or ceasing support, not that it would be a similar console.

Edit: Found an article

"What I want to do, I think our first job right now is to make sure that the customers, those 10 million customers who have a Wii U at home have software to play," he said. "And we need to make sure that they are satisfied with their purchase and continue to enjoy playing on this platform. So we can' just abandon them and say, 'Hey, it's time to move on to the next thing.'

 

[georly]

What, using gyros for camera movement?

Smartphone games have done that for years and so did the 3DS and Vita in some cases. It's really not that new. Eventually we figured out that spinning around in your chair trying to find the thing you're looking for just isn't fun gameplay.

Wii U has done it too. WWHD and TPHD gyro aiming, Wii Street U, in particular.

It works really well for gyro aiming, not so well for most other things, imo.

 

[Zarovitch]

So my question is, why would so much of the screen in the normal demo not be represented in the "prototype"? Wouldn't most of the original screen scale down to fit the oval screen?

Exact! Fake?

 

[Darkspineslayer]

That looks gross, and would alone prevent me from buying NX. Physical buttons or gtfo.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

Because it might no be the same exact frame.

Not according to the person I quoted. Clearly the prototype and the demo matched, but the prototype for some reason only showed about 25% of the screen.

 

[Galava]

Soooo, I hate to be that guy but the thread has over 3000 replies so I have to ask...what's the consensus? Any confirmation that it's real? Anything of note in the 3000 replies?

My quick take: Nintendo makes comfy as hell controllers. People thought the Wii U controller would be uncomfortable to hold and use based on its look but it was anything but...i have faith in Nintendo when it comes to ergonomics

I want to believe this is a real prototype and that the final version will have some kind of small grips to make it more confortable.

 

[Samemind]

Because it might no be the same exact frame.

It's very clearly not the same frame, tbh. Look at the area directly left of the right stick, it's completely different.

 

[exmachina64]

I'll honestly have a hard time convincing myself to buy an NX if this is the console controller.

Perfect. Also, the "NX" version looks downgraded as hell.

There was never any indication it would be powerful.

I keep seeing this refrain.

What exactly was Nintendo supposed to "learn"? They were never going to make a Xbox/PS4-styled console, nor should they.

So Nintendo's still chasing a market that's not going to buy a games console, got it.

 

[hemo memo]

The fact that the scene on the controller is not exactly the same as in the video makes it seem all the more real

What if this all just a very very carefully planned fake? I would be impressed honestly.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

The consensus is that no one has any fucking idea.

I see, thank you.

 

[oti]

I'll honestly have a hard time convincing myself to buy an NX if this is the console controller.

How convincing does "the games are fun" sound to you?

 

[Galava]

There was never any indication it would be powerful.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't a bad comment about the console, just "evidence" of it not being the same tech demo.

 

[Sectorseven]

Ok then

Zelda, or is that supposed to save the Wii U?

 

[Kouriozan]

Soooo, I hate to be that guy but the thread has over 3000 replies so I have to ask...what's the consensus?

It can be interesting, but I need to see more of it.
I mean, a picture is worth a thousand words but it's still not enough.

 

[Swass]

That thing looks hideous.. only thing that could be cool is if it operates independently of the console and can be taken with you. Also is it possible there are physical buttons on the backside?

 

[DNAbro]

So my question is, why would so much of the screen in the normal demo not be represented in the "prototype"? Wouldn't most of the original screen scale down to fit the oval screen?

Aren't most of these kind of demos somewhat interactive?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

How convincing does "the games are fun" sound to you?

There are lots of places to find fun games these days. It's going to take more than that.

 

[Ninjimbo]

My general reaction: "That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. It can't be real."

It's not real.

 

[120v]

Soooo, I hate to be that guy but the thread has over 3000 replies so I have to ask...what's the consensus? Any confirmation that it's real? Anything of note in the 3000 replies?

My quick take: Nintendo makes comfy as hell controllers. People thought the Wii U controller would be uncomfortable to hold and use based on its look but it was anything but...i have faith in Nintendo when it comes to ergonomics

chances of a physical prototype leak from nintendo is very low. It'd be unprecedented

but it's no secret they're expiditing NX reletively to past consoles so things may be leakier than usual

 

[Visualante2]

Dragon Quest XI runs on Unreal Engine 4.

We already had Square announcing Dragon Quest for NX, and that runs on UE4.

Has anyone at Epic or another developer commented on Unreal for NX? I guess it's fair to assume Square Enix has the resources to do it themselves. But it begs the question- did this leak come from Square Enix or is Epic going to announce formal support for the NX?

 

[10k]

Time to contact my dev friends to confirm or deny this monstrosity.

 

[SuperSah]

So judging by what I have read, this is a prototype model, if whatever that dude said is to be taken as legitimate?

Well, personally I think it looks strange - it seems highly impractical and very expensive. Free-form displays are relatively new tech, no? It seems like this device, be it the handheld or the controller will be very expensive.

Anyway, for now, I'll be waiting for the actual reveal - be this real or fake - before I make any judgments about it.

 

[jblank83]

Wont most devs put their buttons exactly the same place?

besides, the true innovation for this gen is paddles, damn it. I want a future where I dont have to take my thumbs off the sticks

Most devs will take the easiest route, just as they ignored DS/3DS touchscreens, as they ignored Wii U Gamepad, as they ignored Kinect/PS Camera, as they ignored PS4's touchpad, as they ignored Vita's touchpads.

A few would make some great software and Nintendo would do some great things with it. And, imo, that would be enough to make it, at the least, memorable, as with games that utilized DS/3DS features, and so on.

 

[DNAbro]

There are lots of places to find fun games these days. It's going to take more than that.

what if they are the most fun

 

[The_Lump]

Not according to the person I quoted. Clearly the prototype and the demo matched, but the prototype for some reason only showed about 25% of the screen.

Not what I mean. Sorry I've only got my phone so can't do this properly but for example, here's the demo at 7 seconds:

What if that's the frame on the screen in the leaked picture? In that scenario, the oval screen us actually showing is more of the scene. You get what I mean?

 

[axisofweevils]

Soooo, I hate to be that guy but the thread has over 3000 replies so I have to ask...what's the consensus? Any confirmation that it's real? Anything of note in the 3000 replies?

My quick take: Nintendo makes comfy as hell controllers. People thought the Wii U controller would be uncomfortable to hold and use based on its look but it was anything but...i have faith in Nintendo when it comes to ergonomics

OMG Fake!

Then...

Rosti says "This shouldn't have been exposed!"

Suddenly, all hell breaks loose.

 

[ForsakenLotus]

It's very clearly not the same frame, tbh. Look at the area directly left of the right stick, it's completely different.

Okay, maybe it's a frame or two different. But it's not like 75% of the screen is going to disappear. Unless I'm misunderstanding you, it's clearly the same source with the very odd fact that the prototype is only showing about 25% of the picture from the normal demo.

And if you or others are suggesting it is a different demo, well, that seems a little far fetched considering how incredibly similar 90% of the screen looks the same on both.

 

[Sadist]

I want to believe this is a real prototype and that the final version will have some kind of small grips to make it more confortable.

If this is in the hands of developers then it's not a prototype. It's part of the first devkit unit.

 

[GhostTrick]

I keep seeing this refrain.

What exactly was Nintendo supposed to "learn"? They were never going to make a Xbox/PS4-styled console, nor should they.

They were supposed to learn that it's not because you put a gimmick in your console that it'll sell. It has nothing to do with power, it has to do with the selling point. Wii was an amazing thing and a true innovation. This one, if real, seems to be as good as the candy lips in that Simpson picture. That's just a silly gimmick that is funny for 5 minutes. Wow ! You can move the uncomfortable buttons depending of your game !


If that's Nintendo's secret they kept away because they were affraid of competition stealing it... Wow, I'm dead laughing.

 

[Anth0ny]

How convincing does "the games are fun" sound to you?

that's obviously not enough

the wii u had a ton of fun games, too

the general public wants a certain type of fun games that nintendo consoles simply don't provide. the more they make consoles with wacky controllers, the less likely they are to get those games in the future

like I asked before, how many wii u esque failures can nintendo endure? because when you run a risk like this, you either strike gold and have the wii, or no one gives a fuck and it flops like the wii u. there is no in between.

 

[thefro]

How long did it take for the initial negative shock of the wiimote to wear off? I can't remember because I was also pretty excited about that one.

Once Nintendo showed some of the demo uses a lot of people came around. Still were some people shocked though.

The only thing I've really thought was a great idea from the patents were the clickable scroll wheels.

 

[ironcreed]

There are lots of places to find fun games these days. It's going to take more than that.

Yeah, their games are all most care about. Not some weird ass controller. I wish they would realize this and keep it simple.

 

[oti]

There are lots of places to find fun games these days. It's going to take more than that.

Nintendo is the king of fun though.

 

[reelbigtink]

They are not consoles. I think that poster was referring to the home console space. Maybe there is more to this, some kind of hook, something that clicks and makes it all make sense, but this is also the same company that launched the cluster fuck of a bad idea know as the Wii U just 3 short years ago. They aren't infallible. Gone are the days that where they just got the benefit of the doubt.

They're definitely not infallible, I'm not trying to argue that. This could fail horribly.

But a big chunk of the negative reaction to this is people who have a hard opinion of what a console/Nintendo product should be (after feeling burned by the Wii for its casualness and Wii U for its underpoweredness).

This whole look and direction is very appealing to me, as a moderately aging gamer who has become more casual over the years. I guess it's tough for me to understand the vitriol.

 

[Roshin]

I hope it isn't real. I just want a console with a normal controller that plays Nintendo games. That's all.

They can't be this out of (Wii) touch. They just can't.

/cries

 

[Kouriozan]

Has anyone at Epic or another developer commented on Unreal for NX? I guess it's fair to assume Square Enix has the resources to do it themselves. But it begs the question- did this leak come from Square Enix or is Epic going to announce formal support for the NX?

Square Enix just said : "Dragon Quest X will be on NX, and also XI"

Dragon Quest 11 Announced! [PS4/3DS (simultaneous), NX (tentative)]

Tentative because he wasn't supposed to say that and some important people got angry.

EDIT

Okay, they did say both DQ10 and DQ11 for NX.

 

[beta_fuse]

It looks cool and all and I'm all for something new but I don't know if I'm gonna be able to digest not having physical buttons:/

 

[ForsakenLotus]

Not what I mean. Sorry I've only got my phone so can't do this properly but for example, here's the demo at 7 seconds:

What if that's the frame on the screen in the leaked picture? In that scenario, the oval screen us actually showing us more of the scene. You get what I mean?

I get what you mean, but the picture that the poster I quoted showed with the prototype overlayed on the original demo match up basically perfect, so I doubt there is another point in the demo where it's the same scene but much more focused so that the screen on the prototype represents the entire image minus oval cropping. It's possible I guess, but it would take some mental gymnastics.

Of course I'm not an expert on any of these issues. Just seems like common sense to me.

 

[blame space]

I'm so sick of rectangle screens!

 

[RootCause]

Well, remember, Nintendo wants to create something that doesn't completely abandon the WiiU

This looks like wiiu gamepad sans physical buttons. Not to forget the odd shaped screen, that doesn't seem to have any benefits over a rectangular one.

Personally, I'm not against the idea of a controller with a screen. But removing physical buttons, giving it a weird shaped screen, and making it less ergonomic doesn't look like a step forward.


Then there's the whole, expectations issue. People expecting bleeding edge hectic feedback(that can only imitate real physical buttons) from Nintendo are being too optimistic. This is the same company that couldnt put BT on a device in 2012.

 

[ekim]

I get what you mean, but the picture that the poster I quoted showed with the prototype overlayed on the original demo match up basically perfect, so I doubt there is another point in the demo where it's the same scene but much more focused so that the screen on the prototype represents the entire image minus oval cropping. It's possible I guess, but it would take some mental gymnastics.

Of course I'm not an expert on any of these issues. Just seems like common sense to me.

They don't match up at all. Look at 3 stones on the right. They are in a completely different position.

 

[thefro]

I made a little animation showing the NX controller and that Unreal Engine 4 image. Interesting stuff!

Nice job... that confirms it's working with a console right now I think.

 

[Plinko]

I hope it isn't real. I just want a console with a normal controller that plays Nintendo games. That's all.

They can't be this out of (Wii) touch. They just can't.

/cries

Like the Wii U? Because that has the Pro Controller, one of the best controllers of all time, and yet was a massive failure.

 

[Luigiv]

the psvita devkit was based on a totally different form factor, so it's possible. Also if handheld games can be played on a console it will need everything to have a 16:9 mode that a second handheld form could use.

but it's probably just a dev prototype that loosely resembles the real handheld.

Switching from a slider to a slate is not a major change for a device with a traditional screen and input, like the Vita. Not from a developers perspective anyway. Changing the form factor or physical face inputs on this thing would potentially invalidate a fair bit of prior work, given how closely tied the displays available space is to those factors.

 

[LordOcidax]

Replace with screenshot from Nintendo game please!

Like this...

 

[CrAzY FiNgErS]

I keep seeing this refrain.

What exactly was Nintendo supposed to "learn"? They were never going to make a Xbox/PS4-styled console, nor should they.

Exactly. The innovation in controller design is lacking on most consoles today. Input devices need to change. Imagine if the Atari one button joystick wouldn't have evolved or changed? Or that Nintendo wouldn't have made the d-pad or introduced the first console controller with an analog stick. Heck, look at computer gaming too. It has been stuck with either Xbox 360 controller or keyboard and mouse. Along comes the Steam Controller and adds far more possibilities and options than those two input devices.

I am all for radical changes with input devices. Otherwise we still would be playing the same kind of limited games that used the original Atari 2600 joystick.

 

[Oddduck]

How convincing does "the games are fun" sound to you?

That argument didn't convince most people to buy a Wii U.

 

[theangrypirate]

LOL if true. I know it's all speculation at this point but come one Nintendo. I just want a console that can play Nintendo games. This thing looks terrible, didn't they learn from the Wii U? Nobody wants a stupidly expensive controller that forces the company to use underpowered hardware to keep retail prices down. I hope this isn't true. It looks awful.