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HuffPo: "How Paul Ryan Will Pick the Next President" (with a GOP Spoiler Candidate)
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That's just crazy enough to work.
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Democratic Convention 2016
Hillary comes out to rapturous applause.
She has her big speech, and, just before she ends it, A familiar face rushes the stage...
Kanye West: "Yo, Hillary. I'mma let you finish, but I'm gonna run the best Presidential campaign of all time! OF ALL TIME!!!"
Clinton: "I'm sure you will, but this isn't the time to talk about 2020."
Kanye: "2020? Naw, man. The GOOD Party starts RIGHT NOW!!!"
Kanye 2016 banners are unfurled from the rafters as Jesus Walks plays to a completely dumbstruck crowd.
Hillary comes out to rapturous applause.
She has her big speech, and, just before she ends it, A familiar face rushes the stage...
Kanye West: "Yo, Hillary. I'mma let you finish, but I'm gonna run the best Presidential campaign of all time! OF ALL TIME!!!"
Clinton: "I'm sure you will, but this isn't the time to talk about 2020."
Kanye: "2020? Naw, man. The GOOD Party starts RIGHT NOW!!!"
Kanye 2016 banners are unfurled from the rafters as Jesus Walks plays to a completely dumbstruck crowd.
Box of Kittens
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The fact that Mitt keeps changing his mind about a stop-Trump strategy shows just how badly the Republicans are flailing about.
Macho Madness
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SenorArdilla
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- Have Cruz take enough delegates to force an open convention
- Get a GOP-approved nominee
- ...
- Profit
echoshifting
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This whole clusterfuck is such a perfect example of "between a rock and a hard place" that it should be Exhibit A for that phrase from now on
Everything they can do is worse than everything else.
Multiple parties would be viable in the presidential race if all the states gave electors proportionally instead of giving them solely to one candidate. That's a state-by-state issue.
Sorry, but Mr. West isn't old enough yet
edit: nevermind, I could have sworn you needed to be 40.
Are EVs assigned to >50%s, or to first past the post?
Because Trump + Mitt running is exactly how Hillary runs to a clean sweep, if it's the second.
e: It's indeed first past the post. This is completely idiotic, running two candidates would mean they'd have to split the states to run in which, and still get 270 EVs from hillary's iron grip.
And Trump isn't going to run a distraction tactic to get a republican elected. He'd rather endorse hillary out of spite before that, or run in all states, making the second republican runner a net loss, or just tell his base to abstain and that he's founding his own political party.
Because Trump + Mitt running is exactly how Hillary runs to a clean sweep, if it's the second.
Okay, clean sweep ain't happening, but 400-500 hell yes.
e: It's indeed first past the post. This is completely idiotic, running two candidates would mean they'd have to split the states to run in which, and still get 270 EVs from hillary's iron grip.
And Trump isn't going to run a distraction tactic to get a republican elected. He'd rather endorse hillary out of spite before that, or run in all states, making the second republican runner a net loss, or just tell his base to abstain and that he's founding his own political party.
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Sorry, but Mr. West isn't old enough yet
Yes he is, you only have to be 35
SenorArdilla
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Nah because Trump is going to take half of the liberal vote for some reason.
Ninja Of Chaos
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Couldn't this backfire too though? Knowing that the presidency is out of the question might significantly depress republican voter turn out.
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Kanye: "See. Hillary Clinton doesn't care about black people"
Sorry, but Mr. West isn't old enough yet
Minimum's 35. Kanye's 38.
Box of Kittens
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You'd still have the issue of high potential for elections to get sent to the House of Representatives if no one gets a majority of Electoral Votes, which is itself a pretty significant pressure against third parties.
SlimySnake
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can someone post the video of this exchange. i cant find it.
such a hilarious moment.
The Lamonster
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The main reason this won't work is because of the massive organization the Clinton campaign has been building. No one will be able to out-spend her or match her ground game during the election, especially after getting such a late start.
So basically...please proceed, Governor.
So basically...please proceed, Governor.
Macho Madness
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The winner of the popular vote in almost every state except Maine and Nebraska wins all the electors in that state.
Grover Cleveland
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I've said this in other threads but the absolute worst thing the Elephants can do is stealing the nomination from Trump through a backroom deal in Clevelandl or running a third candidate against him.
De-legitimizing the democratic process by ignoring the overwhelming voice of their electorate would be incredibly destructive, short-sighted, and quite frankly could cause irreparable damage to the party going forward.
Their best bet would be to let Trump get the nomination with no gimmicks and run his race against Clinton, which he will lose barring scandal or catastrophe. Sure, they take big losses in the short term and in the process, maybe lose the Senate, definitely lose the Supreme Court, and set back the conservative movement in this country for a few years.
But sending Trump out there to die now allows the Establishment to say "See! This kind of foolishness* can't and won't win us elections. We need to get the party back to its core values" and make the changes down the line to the platform in order to remain a viable party in the 21st Century.
(*Yes that foolishness is largely of their own creation. Over the last half-century, they've at best looked the over way and at worst subtly embraced the ignorance, hatred, bigotry that fuels Trump. They had no problem with Trumpettes when they were voting for their candidates)
The White House is lost for them either path they take. It doesn't matter if they let Trump run unopposed, they steal the nom from him, run a 3rd candidate against him, or by some miracle Cruz actually wins the nom outright (he's an even worse candidate in a GE for multiple reasons), they won't beat Hilary Clinton unless she's in handcuffs or ISIS stages an invasion of the US in the next 8 months. But depending on how they play this, they could either lose big in the immediate future and have a stronger party down the line or destroy the party as we know it.
De-legitimizing the democratic process by ignoring the overwhelming voice of their electorate would be incredibly destructive, short-sighted, and quite frankly could cause irreparable damage to the party going forward.
Their best bet would be to let Trump get the nomination with no gimmicks and run his race against Clinton, which he will lose barring scandal or catastrophe. Sure, they take big losses in the short term and in the process, maybe lose the Senate, definitely lose the Supreme Court, and set back the conservative movement in this country for a few years.
But sending Trump out there to die now allows the Establishment to say "See! This kind of foolishness* can't and won't win us elections. We need to get the party back to its core values" and make the changes down the line to the platform in order to remain a viable party in the 21st Century.
(*Yes that foolishness is largely of their own creation. Over the last half-century, they've at best looked the over way and at worst subtly embraced the ignorance, hatred, bigotry that fuels Trump. They had no problem with Trumpettes when they were voting for their candidates)
The White House is lost for them either path they take. It doesn't matter if they let Trump run unopposed, they steal the nom from him, run a 3rd candidate against him, or by some miracle Cruz actually wins the nom outright (he's an even worse candidate in a GE for multiple reasons), they won't beat Hilary Clinton unless she's in handcuffs or ISIS stages an invasion of the US in the next 8 months. But depending on how they play this, they could either lose big in the immediate future and have a stronger party down the line or destroy the party as we know it.
JHoNNy1OoO
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This is some pie in the sky theory. Don't see how Hillary loses any state that she would win anyways going head to head.
The thing is that it isn't overwhelming. Secondly the faction that hates Trump is too large to ignore which is why Trump can't even get enough Republican vote to be even a threat for any Democrat.
The GOP knows the people they will alienate are only a minority of their party. A third is too much to antagonize but they aren't going to allow the minority to control Republican policy for the next 4 years.
Jack Random
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GOP will wait until Clinton secures the nomination and then indite her. Potentially the same night, next day at the latest. their goal is to cripple and embarrass the DNC.
With this in place, they can run a moderate vs Trump and make it a win-win for them
With this in place, they can run a moderate vs Trump and make it a win-win for them
QuantumZebra
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boiled goose
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What states would a third party candidate take away from Hillary that the GOP nominee would not already win?
This whole premise relies on the third candidate taking more votes away from Hillary than from Trump. Not gonna happen...
This whole premise relies on the third candidate taking more votes away from Hillary than from Trump. Not gonna happen...
Wowfunhappy
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But lets assume something happens to move the entire country to the right--something that's unlikely but by no means implausible. A terrorist attack, for instance--not necessarily in the US. Or even a major snowstorm that's large enough to have a serious effect on turnout.
boiled goose
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A heatwave
Precisely how I see something like that potentially playing out:
I enjoyed how you used orange as a subtle troll against Trump supporters
Aaron Strife
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Okay, let's use Obama v. Romney 2012 as a benchmark.
Assuming Hillary holds onto Obama's total and Thirdparty McDumbass (probably Romney himself) splits his votes evenly with Trump, here's what the electoral college would look like:
Of course, there's no way it would be an even split - a viable third party candidate would probably swing a small-but-not-insignificant portion of the Democrat's votes, and I would expect the breakdown to look more like 50-30-20 rather than 50-25-25. But regardless, this will either have the effect of the third party candidate winning enough states to keep both candidates under the 270 threshold (not very likely) OR leading to Hillary swinging a bunch of states that don't usually vote Democratic because she'll hold onto 40% of the vote in high-minority states like MS, AL, SC etc. while the two idiots go 30-30.
In other words - please proceed, governor.
The benefit of a third party Republican run isn't so much giving them a shot at winning the White House, it's to let moderate, vulnerable Republicans in other offices be able to support a presidential candidate without tying themselves to Trump.
Assuming Hillary holds onto Obama's total and Thirdparty McDumbass (probably Romney himself) splits his votes evenly with Trump, here's what the electoral college would look like:
Of course, there's no way it would be an even split - a viable third party candidate would probably swing a small-but-not-insignificant portion of the Democrat's votes, and I would expect the breakdown to look more like 50-30-20 rather than 50-25-25. But regardless, this will either have the effect of the third party candidate winning enough states to keep both candidates under the 270 threshold (not very likely) OR leading to Hillary swinging a bunch of states that don't usually vote Democratic because she'll hold onto 40% of the vote in high-minority states like MS, AL, SC etc. while the two idiots go 30-30.
In other words - please proceed, governor.
The benefit of a third party Republican run isn't so much giving them a shot at winning the White House, it's to let moderate, vulnerable Republicans in other offices be able to support a presidential candidate without tying themselves to Trump.
Box of Kittens
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It still benefits Clinton to have the conservative vote split. In a three way race she could win with 40% of the vote. You'd have to hope for something so big it can overcome that effect. If something that big happens then all bets are off and this article is still pointless.
All this would accomplish is a guaranteed Hillary presidency and a Republican insurrection from Trump supporters furious that the party would go against the voters' wishes.
Be smart GOP, let Trump lose on his own merits and blame his racism and comparative economic liberalism for the results. Or don't actually, it's more fun watching you guys trying to play damage control and failing miserably.
Be smart GOP, let Trump lose on his own merits and blame his racism and comparative economic liberalism for the results. Or don't actually, it's more fun watching you guys trying to play damage control and failing miserably.
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