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[SenkiDala]

Honestly, if this releases in e.g. Fall 2017, I expect the current PS4 to drop to $299 or $249, and PS4K to release at $399.

No way, a GTX 980Ti now coasts around 800$ by itself and it doesnt run 90% of games at 4K... So imagine what GPU you'd need to make it happens, in a tiny console, for 400$, with a BR drive, ram, hard drive, etc etc... no way at all, even in fall 2017 a 4K capable console would coast at least 800$, if we're lucky.

 

[daman824]

If Sony is moving to incremental updates they better have controller bc. No way I'm spending another $400 this soon and then paying $60 per new controller when I have 3 ds4s

 

[Mastperf]

Hard to imagine Sony would hurt the momentum they have with something like this.

 

[jelly]

I wonder how good the CPU and GPU bump this year or next will be to get decent performance in a $400 box.

Who blinks first, Sony or Microsoft ?

 

[dead souls]

Well, I'm glad I haven't bought a PS4 yet. Time to hold off even longer, I guess.

 

[KeRaSh]

Sign me up! I don't care about higher resolutions since I'm not getting a 4K TV anytime soon and PSVR is 1080p,too but the FPS bump would be worth the upgrade by itself.

 

[Mohasus]

No way, a GTX 980Ti now coasts around 800$ by itself and it doesnt run 90% of games at 4K...

Wut?

Maybe not at 60fps and "max settings", but consoles don't do this too.

At 30FPS with custom settings it is fine.

 

[GrizzNKev]

This is entirely nonsensical

 

[mike4001_]

Maybe just miscommunikation.

And they are talking about a PS4 slim which is capable of UHD BluRay Playback ?

 

[Averon]

Sounds like Sony is going around asking developers what they want to see/expect to see in a PS5. This should around the time to start doing that if the PS5 is a 2018 or 2019 release.

I really don't believe Sony will release an updated PS4.

 

[TAJ]

I don't understand why people assume that because 4K games are a target that they must mean 4K games with Uncharted 4 visual fidelity. For all you know it could be Flower-style 4K games or something like Journey. They're not going to launch a $600+ PS4, chill out.

That's even sillier than the rumor in the OP.
Besides, PS4 can already run many older games at 4K, in theory. The devs of Trine 2 said publicly that PS4 could hold a steady 30fps in that game at 4K.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

No way, a GTX 980Ti now coasts around 800$ by itself and it doesnt run 90% of games at 4K... So imagine what GPU you'd need to make it happens, in a tiny console, for 400$, with a BR drive, ram, hard drive, etc etc... no way at all, even in fall 2017 a 4K capable console would coast at least 800$, if we're lucky.

I honestly believe this push is for 4K movies and 120fps VR. There's no way all games will magically run at 4K unless there's some upressing going on within the hardware. I expect better framerate, and occasional 4K games that don't require a lot of hardware power. There's no way all (or even half) games will be 4K.

On the software end, PS4 is capable of running 4K movies, but hardware limitations prevent it from happening. Also, on the VR end the minimum require framerate is 90. I can see this new hardware pushing it to 120 for a more immersive experience. Possibly ensuring current 30fps games play at 60fps. There's no way they will have a $800 system. It'll be $399 and won't be diminishing the existing PS4 console into oblivion.

 

[PrinceKee]

I just don't get this. Why not just make the PS5. These consoles have been out almost 3 years. I think they can last another 2 years and then you can release PS5 or Xbox Two or whatever. We still haven't gotten games from the big AAA studios like Rockstar or Naughthy Dog yet...

 

[Crayon]

WAIT A MINUTE


If Sony is indeed looking to change the way console cycles work and push consoles at a faster pace, why would they focus specifically on 4K gaming right now when barely anyone has a 4K TV in their home?

Let's take a scenario where a PS4.5 releases in Holiday 2017 and 4K TV's adoption rates rockets skyrocket at the same time. Great! Everyone loves their PS4.5!

If we're under the assumption that the main incentive to upgrade these consoles would be more horsepower, what exactly are they going to offer with a PS5 or whatever it's going to be called when they release it 3 or 4 years down the line? Prepare for 8K TV's in 2028?

Welcome to sanity. Thanks for coming. Did you have trouble finding the place?

 

[Castef]

as a 4k tv owner. i want this

Err... Actually me too. The fact that i do not own a PS4 yet helps.

 

[low-G]

This thread is already crazy huge...

Man, if this comes true, along with the X1 upgrade, I'm gonna go full time PC gaming.

It's the whole reason I haven't bought a 3DS since the very first revision. This whole small iteration shit is best left to PC gaming IMO.

 

[vcc]

A lot of people are going to feel silly after some of the things that were said about ms. Honestly if Microsoft get it so every ganes purchase bags me a pc copy of the game I will go with them

The exact same logic applies. It's a bad idea.

 

[TheKastorian]

I would be on board with this idea if it means that PS4 games (and by extension any PS
Classics that are purchased) would forever remain backwards compatible. From that perspective, the upgrade PS4.5, PS5 and after makes perfect sense since your old games will never become obsolete and you can jump in at any point and buy the next - and hopefully affordable- console iteration. Maybe this will become the norm in the console market and maybe this system will actually work.

 

[Apoleptica]

High end, super expensive, PCs barely support 4k with certain games. I just don't see a console having that kind of power at a reasonable price just yet. Also I wouldn't have an issue with this if they made future games scale similar to PC games. Give console games graphical settings such that you can turn them up to play on the latest system and turn them down for PS4 compatibility. This would eliminate double dipping when you would eventually upgrade to the next system.

I just don't get this. Why not just make the PS5. These consoles have been out almost 3 years. I think they can last another 2 years and then you can release PS5 or Xbox Two or whatever. We still haven't gotten games from the big AAA studios like Rockstar or Naughthy Dog yet...

The PS4 will certainly last for years to come due to it's enormous install base, it's just something publishers can't ignore if they want to sell a ton of games.

 

[orochi91]

No way, a GTX 980Ti now coasts around 800$ by itself and it doesnt run 90% of games at 4K... So imagine what GPU you'd need to make it happens, in a tiny console, for 400$, with a BR drive, ram, hard drive, etc etc... no way at all, even in fall 2017 a 4K capable console would coast at least 800$, if we're lucky.

AMD/Sony to defy the laws of physics and reveal alien tech for the PS4.5.

So much of this rumour isn't adding up.

 

[googleplex]

Say PS4.5 release in 2017. When would you release PS5? Do you still support PS4.5 if you release PS5 too close to PS4.5?

Seeing at how long development cycles are the norm for AAA games, this stop gap iteration would give the 10 million or so hard core gamers a way to get more bells and whistles without developers having to worry about starting from scratch with new hardware/software/SDK's/Game engines.

If a PS4.5 launches in 2017 then Sony could be ready for a PS5 launch in 2019/2020

 

[Mr. Giggles]

But games take 3 to 4 years to make. Jesus, I have the feeling that nothing happened yet in this gen. No Rockstar Games, no Gran Turismo, no Naughty Dog game, no Sony Santa Monica game...

Exactly, my PS4 library is a dismal - feels like I barely bought any games for the thing

 

[LostDonkey]

A 980ti can't do 90% of games at 4k?

That's strange, because my 970 manages fine on 90% of games, locked 30fps medium to high settings. And they still look fucking amazing.

I think these blanket statements about gpu's not being able to do 4k need to be elaborated on some more.

 

[jelly]

If Sony is moving to incremental updates they better have controller bc. No way I'm spending another $400 this soon and then paying $60 per new controller when I have 3 ds4s

Wouldn't be the worse thing if the DS4 was replaced with a DS5 of decent build quality. It's not like they are going to remove sticks or buttons, should be fine. You would be shitting it if Microsoft did a major change and you owned an Elite controller, ouch.

 

[Croatoan]

WAIT A MINUTE


If Sony is indeed looking to change the way console cycles work and push consoles at a faster pace, why would they focus specifically on 4K gaming right now when barely anyone has a 4K TV in their home?

Let's take a scenario where a PS4.5 releases in Holiday 2017 and 4K TV's adoption rates rockets skyrocket at the same time. Great! Everyone loves their PS4.5!

If we're under the assumption that the main incentive to upgrade these consoles would be more horsepower, what exactly are they going to offer with a PS5 or whatever it's going to be called when they release it 3 or 4 years down the line? Prepare for 8K TV's in 2028?

Isn't it obvious? Magic!

Spoiler

Or maybe 4k (per eye) near light field VR at incredible visual fidelity because by then the traditional "TV" will be on its way out as an entertainment device.

 

[kinggroin]

Prediction:

Expect feature parity in the beginning, only difference is resolution.

Then expect extra bells and whistles difference.

Then expect full feature exclusives (64 players ONLY on PS4.5)

Then expect exclusive games. Or ports so stripped down on PS4 that you have no choice but to upgrade.

---------------------------------------------------


The PC model in the hands of those running the console industry can potentially be fucking scary, and make you regret hardware homogenization.

 

[RiccochetJ]

as a 4k tv owner. i want this

Rocket League @ 4k is pretty great. Having a console doing it instead of moving my PC over to my TV is completely welcome.

 

[Kazuhira]

Ps4 games remasters better run at 60 fps then.

Spoiler

I would buy bloodborne again day 0.

 

[orochi91]

WAIT A MINUTE


If Sony is indeed looking to change the way console cycles work and push consoles at a faster pace, why would they focus specifically on 4K gaming right now when barely anyone has a 4K TV in their home?

Let's take a scenario where a PS4.5 releases in Holiday 2017 and 4K TV's adoption rates rockets skyrocket at the same time. Great! Everyone loves their PS4.5!

If we're under the assumption that the main incentive to upgrade these consoles would be more horsepower, what exactly are they going to offer with a PS5 or whatever it's going to be called when they release it 3 or 4 years down the line? Prepare for 8K TV's in 2028?

Agreed.

Perhaps PS4.5 is a VR specific thing.

 

[MadSexual]

What if it's just a display port/HDMI2 upgrade model? HDMI doesn't support 4K. The Xbox 360 didn't support HDMI until the second iteration.

 

[SenkiDala]

Wut?

Maybe not at 60fps and "max settings", but consoles don't do this too.

At 30FPS with custom settings it is fine.

Yes I'm talking about ultra settings, sorry.

But then yeah, why pushing the resolution to 4K for what, 20% of PS4 users who have a 4K TV? Why not push the graphics quality in 1080p? Now let's say most of PS4 versions of games are at middle/high settings in 1080 compared to the PC versions, why not make a PS4.5 to push the games, still in 1080p, but in the equivalent of the ultra PC settings? Why 4K? 4K is that big? I don't even know 1 person who have a 4K TV... Why making games at 4K to keep the medium/high settings? :/

 

[teh_pwn]

No way, a GTX 980Ti now coasts around 800$ by itself and it doesnt run 90% of games at 4K... So imagine what GPU you'd need to make it happens, in a tiny console, for 400$, with a BR drive, ram, hard drive, etc etc... no way at all, even in fall 2017 a 4K capable console would coast at least 800$, if we're lucky.

Where did you hear this?

I clicked around for a minute on anandtech's benchmarks and found that Shadows of Mordor at very high quality at 4K runs at 30 fps on a GTX 780:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU15/1246

Yes I'm talking about ultra settings, sorry.

Well sure...ultra settings on PC at 1080p requires 5x more resources than 1080p on what PS4 does. To get both ultra and 4K would require multiple GPUs with working drivers for multiple GPUs.

 

[LordofPwn]

if it's just take the game that's made for the PS4 but render it at 4K, then i'm ok with it. if it's an add on, i'm ok with it. if it's a new console and some games are only compatible with the upgraded version i'm not as ok with it.

 

[Garibaldi]

A 980ti can't do 90% of games at 4k?

That's strange, because my 970 manages fine on 90% of games, locked 30fps medium to high settings. And they still look fucking amazing.

I think these blanket statements about gpu's not being able to do 4k need to be elaborated on some more.

Can you get a 970 or AMD equivalent in a APU architecture? Because they won't be able to create a this without one. Otherwise it's a full new system and might as well be a PS5.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Obviously AMD has multiple design wins. Cross compatibility between PS4 and PS4.5 is easy enough.

 

[Gurish]

Kotaku is super legit with rumors, almost always right so it's most probably true.

I'm fucking shocked :O

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Cool. I don't mind if rather than just being slimmer a newer console was more powerful. As long as there's no library divide it's fine idea.

But we will see.

 

[JarrodL]

I find the 4k in games part hard to believe.

On PC it currently takes top tier GPU like GTX 980 Ti to drive 4K at consistent 30 fps in some of the more demanding games (and if you want consistent 60 fps in most games in 4K, you need two such GPUs in SLI). The price of GTX 980 Ti currently starts at around $550-600 (and I'm being generous here). Consider how much a console with comparable GPU would have to cost to not be sold at a loss.

Maybe if they're talking games like pixel-art indie games...

 

[sankt-Antonio]

This thread is already crazy huge...

Man, if this comes true, along with the X1 upgrade, I'm gonna go full time PC gaming.

It's the whole reason I haven't bought a 3DS since the very first revision. This whole small iteration shit is best left to PC gaming IMO.

4 years on the market is "small iteration shit"?
The draw for consoles is that shit just works - not having to deal with eight years old hardware is a bonus.

 

[vcc]

What if it's just a display port/HDMI2 upgrade model? HDMI doesn't support 4K. The Xbox 360 didn't support HDMI until the second iteration.

Klepick isn't super technical (that adorable earnest fuzzball). It may just be him asking the wrong questions and snow balling into conclusions about a HDMI+scalar upgrade.

 

[cebri.one]

When next gen consoles specs were announced, i remember some B3D users talking about "forward compatibility" and the possibility of incremental upgrades now the consoles are based on x86 architecture.

It doesn't seems that crazy now.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I think that we'll definitely see PSN on PC. There's no way Sony is going to let Microsoft start making money on the PC with their exclusives and they don't and the PS is the same architecture. It just makes sense (and then Sony will be exiting the console market. ... /s).

I look forward to the day where you choose where you play and your games follow you. It just makes sense to me.

Microsoft has been selling the majority of their "exclusives" on PC for years. I don't think Sony will follow them to PC any time soon.

 

[El-Suave]

This makes little sense to me, on the one hand you introduce a non 4K device that elimates the TV from the equation for games that aren't couch co-op, and on the other hand you introduce a device with 4K being the main selling point?

 

[vcc]

Microsoft has been selling the majority of their "exclusives" on PC for years. I don't think Sony will to PC any time soon.

Sony still has a vested interest in where console gaming is going. MS clearly doesn't give a fuck.

 

[Crayon]

Klepick isn't super technical (that adorable earnest fuzzball). It may just be him asking the wrong questions and snow balling into conclusions about a HDMI+scalar upgrade.

I mentioned the scaler possibility many pages back. Now an upgrade with a quality scaler would make sense.

 

[gutterboy44]

So this probably means our PS+ and XBGold subscriptions go up a little bit and act is carrier contracts like the cell phone industry to subside costs and keep the consoles fresh but cheap. Commit to a 3 year plan on PS+, get PS4.5 for cheaper and a trade in for PS5 when it drops.

Man, this is all pretty crazy. Biggest shake up in console gaming since..hell I don't even know. I am excited for it. As long as they keep it affordable, I don't see it any differently than upgrading PCs, Smartphones, tablets, etc.

 

[Iced Arcade]

Generation remastered and generation fragmentation at the same time.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Yes the era of incremental upgrades is upon us.

 

[Morts]

WAIT A MINUTE


If Sony is indeed looking to change the way console cycles work and push consoles at a faster pace, why would they focus specifically on 4K gaming right now when barely anyone has a 4K TV in their home?

Let's take a scenario where a PS4.5 releases in Holiday 2017 and 4K TV's adoption rates rockets skyrocket at the same time. Great! Everyone loves their PS4.5!

If we're under the assumption that the main incentive to upgrade these consoles would be more horsepower, what exactly are they going to offer with a PS5 or whatever it's going to be called when they release it 3 or 4 years down the line? Prepare for 8K TV's in 2028?

If they do this there probably won't be a PS5. Just PlayStation 2017, PlayStation 2019, etc. Iterative updates to the PlayStation platform.

If you want, buy every other one (or every third one!) and it's just like a console generation.

 

[vcc]

I mentioned the scaler possibility many pages back. Now an upgrade with a quality scaler would make sense.

I think that would conform with what Klepick has been told and be super uneventful news.