YesNOnoNOYes
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thanks ty, i was trying to figure out the countdown timer thing :> v helpful~
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Of Gods and Men [Mafia] | Ambrosia In Front Of Me
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thanks ty, i was trying to figure out the countdown timer thing :> v helpful~
YesNOnoNOYes
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CHAPTER I
"Oh, and one last thing", Yena continued as if nothing happened, "Komena and Peripseros themselves are among you, each bestowing the body of one of your fellow citizen."
The people just stood there, utterly shocked and even more confused.
"What are you waiting for? I'm getting hungry and it's already noon..."
Two of the players are gods. Gods can not be lynched and they can not be targeted at night. There may exist other ways to remove them from the game.
Day 1 begins.
Due to popular demand (and because the flavor says it's already noon) the first day phase will only be 48 hours.
The day ends in:
*Countdown may change (Roya is asleep atm)*
Good evening, Darryl. :>
StarSketch
Banned
yo
OceanicAir
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Sup people.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I'm hereish for a bit.
OceanicAir
Member
I'm guessing town will have a god on our side and mafia will have one on their side. Maybe the two can interact with a devotee of some sort. Royal did say that there would be night messages.
CrimsonFist
Member
Oh, we started?
Going by the fluff then, one God would be aligned with town, and one with scum.
Going by the fluff then, one God would be aligned with town, and one with scum.
CrimsonFist
Member
The win condition says that we win when the followers of Peripseros are dead, maybe that wouldn't include Peripseros himself though.
Are you scum
EzekelRAGE
Member
Yea, seems str8 to the point. I can see one being town and other being for scum like others have said.
Them not being able to be targeted at night or lynched seems crazy. I wonder what happens if you do try to lynch a god. It goes to the 2nd person with most votes?
If there are other ways to kill a god, would that person be neutral or each side (mafia and town) has a god killer on their team?
EzekelRAGE
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Assuming either god could possibly kill at night, that makes sense. Since it would just end up being a 1 v 1 situation wiht both gods in the endgame. So we can win w/o taking out Peripseros.
Are you? :>
Zippedpinhead
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GAFia strategy guide rule 3: crimsonfist should always be treated as scum. he might not be, but he should always be treated as such
I've got other rules in the strat guide, but this is the first directly applicable to this game.
OceanicAir
Member
But we also have the well known strat of Swamped and Darryl being mafia too! Can you imagine them at least one of them not being mafai?
Giant Panda
Member
I agree with this line of thinking. Still, I wonder what ways of removing the gods there are, because otherwise Komena could reveal themselves right away and start to organize the town. Komena can't be targeted at night, so it's not like that player could even be role blocked or otherwise interfered with.
Zippedpinhead
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The strategy guide is mostly guidelines for a good day 1, people to avoid conversations with, people to look out for, people to ignore entirely, random things like that.
the God vs God mechanic should be interesting,
Thinking out loud here. Gods can't be targetted or lynched, two clues I draw from that
1). That doesn't mean they can't be killed, just that there is not an obvious way to do it.
2) our gods should not reveal themselves, regardless of alignment (mainly due to the first assumption)
3) good old fashioned scum hunting is the name of the game today.
Now I know what happens when you make an assumption, you make an ass of yourself and umption.
the God vs God mechanic should be interesting,
Thinking out loud here. Gods can't be targetted or lynched, two clues I draw from that
1). That doesn't mean they can't be killed, just that there is not an obvious way to do it.
2) our gods should not reveal themselves, regardless of alignment (mainly due to the first assumption)
3) good old fashioned scum hunting is the name of the game today.
Now I know what happens when you make an assumption, you make an ass of yourself and umption.
So uh, I hate to derail this talk about the Gods.... but does anyone else think Zipped should take his strategy guide and shove it up his shining rear side?
Vote: Zippedpinhead
EzekelRAGE
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I find it odd that you pointed out Komena specifically when we know both gods could do the same. Just a thought.
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There could be a problem with that though, how could we believe the real Kome? What if each side has a god killer and Persi claims to be Kome in order to draw the real Kome out? Mafia would know Persi's plan so would know which Kome to kill if they counterclaimed.
It seems we may have a way of confirming gods if a lynch doesn't go as planned. If the day ends or majority is reached with a god receiving the most votes, the results should be a red flag. Especially if it's the 2nd vote leader who ends up dead instead of the majority leader.
Giant Panda
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Well, I don't see a reason for Peripseros to announce themselves as that would be giving information to the town without helping the scum. I guess this in turn is assuming that Peripseros is otherwise a normal member of the scum team. There is a chance the gods aren't completely aligned with the town and/or scum.
Zippedpinhead
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This is something I had not thought of, we have our patrons, but in all the old tales (as you put it) gods are apart from man. Why would it be different in this game? I, personally, will be playing under this assumption. Not a 4 team game but two games of two teams playing concurrently.
It's day 1, no one should claim day 1. We need to just operate on our gut and vote accordingly.
EzekelRAGE
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Thinking about it, each side has a god to balance each other out. To keep the balance of mafia talking with their god would it be possible that Kome has their own devout followers that she talks to as well?
I wasn't asking for a claim? I laid out a reason why claiming would be a bad idea.
Zippedpinhead
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I agree with you on your assesment of the gods fighting each other.
But the second statement does not prevent our other assumption from being true. with the amount of information available today, only two players know exactly what's going on with the god roles (probably).
flatearthpandas
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Oh we started? Pleasant surprise.
Dabbling in flavor a bit, I wouldn't be surprised if the gods are neutral but not actually opposed to each other. I've never been deep into Greek mythology but what I remember of the Iliad and Odyssey is mostly gods chilling and chatting shit at each other while the followers duke it out. They step into the fray sometimes but don't really fight each other.
Dabbling in flavor a bit, I wouldn't be surprised if the gods are neutral but not actually opposed to each other. I've never been deep into Greek mythology but what I remember of the Iliad and Odyssey is mostly gods chilling and chatting shit at each other while the followers duke it out. They step into the fray sometimes but don't really fight each other.
Looks like the game is starting with a discussion point, that's good. Gods cannot be lynched or targeted. We do have to worry about offing Persephone at some point, but maybe not at this very moment. Sometimes being lynchproof is an x-shot power, but that is not mentioned here so I'm inclined to think that these people truly are immortal gods that ordinary humans cannot touch.
Hm, I would have thought it obvious that one God is scum-aligned and the other town-aligned, Peripseros and Komena. However they could be of neutral alignment as well, with their own win conditions.
Let me follow this train of thought: Peripseros is part of the scum team. Imagine a scenario where Peripseros is the last scum and x random Komena follower are the last few players. Scum would win in this scenario, because even if they knew with certainty the identity of Persipone, they wouldn't be able to lynch him. So I wouldn't look into the flavor too much. There has to be a way to night kill him, or somehow get rid of him. But maybe Percy is a neutral and doesn't factor into the town win condition at all. Hm.
Hm, I would have thought it obvious that one God is scum-aligned and the other town-aligned, Peripseros and Komena. However they could be of neutral alignment as well, with their own win conditions.
Let me follow this train of thought: Peripseros is part of the scum team. Imagine a scenario where Peripseros is the last scum and x random Komena follower are the last few players. Scum would win in this scenario, because even if they knew with certainty the identity of Persipone, they wouldn't be able to lynch him. So I wouldn't look into the flavor too much. There has to be a way to night kill him, or somehow get rid of him. But maybe Percy is a neutral and doesn't factor into the town win condition at all. Hm.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
The god mechanic is interesting but we're still scum hunting today.
RNG gave me 9.
VOTE: Sophia
RNG gave me 9.
VOTE: Sophia
Hm, so maybe they're the only ones who can off each other. I guess that gods could kill each other but humans can't get rid of gods? I still think that the respective gods are part of their respective teams though. I don't see any evidence so far that they are neutral entities apart from flavor, and I'm not a huge fan of dissecting flavor.
Yeah, I agree about dissecting the flavor too much. It's why I focused mainly on the red game text to start with. We can't really do much until we hunt some scum anyhow.
StarSketch is here but hasn't commented on the unique god situation we have going on.
VOTE: StarSketch
fengshuifever
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I had this same thought, if they could appear as us, they might be able to appear as each other.
flatearthpandas
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Dammit, Crimson. I said I was going to be the one to be surprised the game suddenly started. /s
That's all I've got. Why are we scum again?
So there are 18 players in the game. 20% of that is 4 mafia players. Now, if any of this is true than scum already know the truth. Add in 1 town god, and 1 neutral who is likely tasked with killing the gods. That's 6 players who already know these mechanics in roles alone and have no need to speculate. This is a role crazy game, so it could even be higher. That's close to 40% of the not-me player base should already know this. Now, the majority of people out of the gate are playing dumb. Scum are most likely to feign ignorance, compelled by their desire to hide how much they know and to score easy posts. So out of the players acting like they don't know anything, I have to find out who is the least convincing. And that shortens the list to Swamped, CrimsonFist, and you.
Also why the buddy-buddy sense of humor towards crimson. Do you know whether or not crimson is scum? Why are you so comfortable borderline deflecting for him? Are you and crimson both scum? Are you scum that knows crimson is town?
flatearthpandas
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Was literally just speculating on flavor but whatever. And as far as that speculation goes, I don't think the scum god would be part of the scum team so I don't know they would be that much better informed about anything than usual. Now you aren't accusing me of revealing actual mechanics, right? But you want to accuse me of knowing them and unconvincingly posting incorrect speculation? Not much to say except that it is genuine speculation.
As for being supposedly buddy-buddy with Crimson, I suppose that is a dynamic you created yourself calling us out as a group. It's not a real dynamic just a reaction to you.
As for being supposedly buddy-buddy with Crimson, I suppose that is a dynamic you created yourself calling us out as a group. It's not a real dynamic just a reaction to you.
Cool
So what do we think would happen if the gods claimed? My guess is town good would 100% die in the night, but scum God is only 90% likely to die in the night?
If we could get the 1-1 trade that would probably be beneficial, but I'm worried we wouldn't get the trade...
Also, if that IS a good trade then I guess scum God just wouldn't claim.
Ok, bad plan. What's next?
Gorlak is scum. (Am I doing that right?)
So what do we think would happen if the gods claimed? My guess is town good would 100% die in the night, but scum God is only 90% likely to die in the night?
If we could get the 1-1 trade that would probably be beneficial, but I'm worried we wouldn't get the trade...
Also, if that IS a good trade then I guess scum God just wouldn't claim.
Ok, bad plan. What's next?
Gorlak is scum. (Am I doing that right?)
Are you?
If Persi-whatsit turns out to be a godfather, I'll be coming for your head ;D
Are you even playing the game? How would this make any sense? "Gods can not be lynched and they can not be targeted at night."
Splinter pls