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[jeffram]

Nope, you have everything you need in one set of files. You could also put all the files you need for a game to work in both PS4 and PS3 in the same disc and that doesn't make PS3 forward compatible with the PS4. It's just both versions of the game in one disc, or set of files or whatever.

Except the difference here it it will be built on the same architecture, and the same developer will be able to set the spec a lot more easily than it takes to get a PS4 game run on PS3 and vice versa. Many developers making the lead SKU of cross platform games didn't even try, and let another team do the porting duties.

It doesn't matter how it's technically done anyways, it's how the consumer experiences it. No one had a PS3 and put in a game the supported PS4 and was able to play it. PS4 will support games that are also built for PS4K on day 1.

 

[Alebrije]

Sony has a great console called PS4 , have no seen any complain about it more than the 1080p 60 fps stuff that we thought it could run as the new generation machine ,and that complain is done just for a small group of users compared to the +/-40 million user base.

So If Sony is releasing this year a PS4K with the stuff mentioned by OP is not because consumers asked for it but maybe for next Xbone 1.5 or NX. Also could be a trollan horse for 4k tvs as was PS3 with blu rays.

Whatever is the reason it does not comes from consumers and is a risk Sony will take. I just hope they do not sink the PS4 success with this movement.

 

[Lady Gaia]

Because developers are seemingly going to move up to new hardware while letting inferior hardware flounder, DESPITE them outnumbering the newer, beefier hardware by a wide margin.

Right. Like PC developers are all producing games that require a Titan X and ignoring the broader addressable market.

Sony have had a strategy of offering two-tiered console price points for many generations now. It was just a matter of keeping the cost-reduced slim models of the prior generation in the market. Unfortunately backward compatibility was a nightmare with a ground-up redesign each time around. It looks like they're trying a refined version of that approach where both backward and forward compatibility are possible and hoping that will smooth out the transition for all concerned. Yes, they'll have to show us that it works before everyone will be comfortable. No, not everyone will get on board. It doesn't mean the strategy isn't viable or sound.

 

[small44]

You keep forgetting that not everyone wants a PC. Some people like the console experience. They also like new technology ever so often. A 3 year release for new technology is not going to hurt anyone. The PS5 will likely leave the PS4 behind, but the PS4K is all about making your cheeseburger a double double. Everyone is eating. Some are just eating a bit more.

It just like you never read discussion about console VS pc.The main argument PC gamers say is that PC will always have better graphics and console gamers say graphics doesn't matter.Console gamers never asked about better graphics so they won't buy the PS4.5 and PC gamer will stick with PC.
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[Killroyskbg]

The exclusives thing is my own prediction, but everything else I said is in the OP.

FFS read it again then if you missed the edit from the OP. The PS4 wont be dumbed down it will be the same as it would have been regardless but since the PS4k will be stronger they cant have the same high res or fps or whatever. The sacrifice sentence for PS4 could be replaced by the PS4k with improvments if you look at it from the other way.

 

[The God]

You implied Sony's motivation is to push people to buy new hardware. Nothing in the OP indicates that. Exclusives don't work that way. Sony makes the exact same amount of money selling a $60 game to people on PS4 as they do on PS4K.

They're going to do things to push people to buy it. Likely there won't be exclusives. The original post I was replying too was asking why devs would target the PS4K first, and the OP says that they already are.

 

[Killroyskbg]

Do i spend 1000k or more on PS4K plus VR or in a new PC rig and VR later on if i want to wich won't be obsolete in 3 years?. Not that hard of a predicament really if PS4K is what the OP state is going to be.

The 1000$ buy you a rig that is minimum specs for the headsets so you are still a headset short and why wont the PC be obsolete in 3 years especially now that the consoles wont keep game development back like it have before?

And that 800$ for the headset could probably buy you 2 more console uppgrades.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Well i simply hopes visual will look the same on both console. If one is 4k 60fps, and the other look the same, no texture degrading, no field of view degrading, and it can remain 30fps , might swallow it better. I hope developpers will have to make sure it look the same, minus the resolution change. I just dont want to see medium settings on PS4 and ultra settings on PS4K.

Your wants are selfish and unreasonable.

 

[Vorg]

There goes my reason for sticking to consoles for years. This is pretty fucked up for the people who just bought ps4 thinking it would last as a platform.

 

[Silent Hill]

PS5 is at least another 6 years away. I think releasing a more powerful playstation is the best move sony can make and I sure as hell do not want a repeat of last gen. The ps3 overstayed its welcome and games were bursting at the seams. With a revised more powerful ps4 on its way, at least we know developers have a lot more breathing room. I have no idea why people are in such an uproar over this.

The thing is the PS4 is not even 3 years old lol.

 

[finalflame]

Straight in my motherfuckin' veins, man. Day -0.

 

[SmiteOfHand]

They're going to do things to push people to buy it. Likely there won't be exclusives. The original post I was replying too was asking why devs would target the PS4K first, and the OP says that they already are.

Possibly, but I still think you are overstating hardware push as a motivator. As you stated in your own post if they offer the original PS4 for $250, they won't care if you buy that one or PS4K. They just want you buying a Playstation, flat out. They are making barely any money on that hardware purchase. They want you buying games. It doesn't matter which one you are buying them on.

This is why the arguments that the original PS4 is worthless and abandoned are insanity.

 

[Killroyskbg]

There goes my reason for sticking to consoles for years. This is pretty fucked up for the people who just bought ps4 thinking it would last as a platform.

And it will still! If you have it you can play the same games as everyone else on a PS4k is what all the rumors say.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

The thing is the PS4 is not even 3 years old lol.

But tech wise, it's older than that. The industry is moving to this model to help with transitions and costs. You guys want more games, well here's a model that can help with that. No more major retools. A viable platform going forward. The remaster haters can leap for joy.

 

[jhmtehgamr20xx]

PS5 is at least another 6 years away. I think releasing a more powerful playstation is the best move sony can make, and I sure as hell do not want a repeat of last gen. The ps3 overstayed its welcome and games were bursting at the seams. With a revised more powerful ps4 on its way, at least we know developers have a lot more breathing room. I have no idea why people are in such an uproar over this.

If the PS3 overstayed its welcome at 7 years, how is the PS4 not going to overstay its own over 8-9?

I always felt this gen would be shorter overall than last, and more along a typical cycle of 5 years. The systems being powered as they are was a strong indication of that. What I was under the assumption of was that a PS5 would be based around very compatible architecture w/ PS4 to ensure easy porting and dev pipelines for maximizing use of both systems, but PS5 essentially continuing the normal console cycle of leaks, hype, then release like any other system.

To me it just kind of feels like Microsoft and Sony are betting too much on hardcore early adopters and giving in too much to whims of devs here.

 

[Keihart]

The 1000$ buy you a rig that is minimum specs for the headsets so you are still a headset short and why wont the PC be obsolete in 3 years especially now that the consoles wont keep game development back like it have before?

And that 800$ for the headset could probably buy you 2 more console uppgrades.

at the end of the year? i doub it. (BTW, consoles rarely arrive at the USD equivalent price elsewhere, mine was like 700usd or a little more at launch, PC parts are a lot more convinient when investing a lot of cash overseas)

 

[OuterLimits]

This seems like a big gamble if true. Sony is dominating this gen, so I'm confused why they don't just continue with the PS4 for 3 more years and then launch the PS5.

Now you have to wonder if sales of the PS4 will plummet this holiday if an upgrade is indeed launching early 2017.

A $400-500 console plus trying to push a $400 VR unit is not going to be easy.

I hope this works out for them. Perhaps it does great and my concerns are silly.

 

[truth411]

If they release it Q4 2018 they shouldn't even release it at all.

PS5 will most likely be shown at E3 2019.

No way, The PS4k extends this gen until 7nm chips are available for PS5. No sooner than holiday 2020.

 

[RE_Player]

Has any news outlet picked up this post?

 

[jeffram]

It just like you never read discussion about console VS pc.The main argument PC gamers say is that PC will always have better graphics and console gamers say graphics doesn't matter.Console gamers never asked about better graphics so they won't buy the PS4.5 and PC gamer will stick with PC.
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I don't get your logic at all. It's possible to want better graphics and not want to game on a PC. There's also room between the PS4 and top end PCs.

Whether it's true or not, the perception of PC is it's what a single person does alone in and office, while a console is seen a more social living room experience.

Then there's the question about "THE PC" being the most powerful and the best experience. No one knows what "THE PC" is. it's certainly not their work lap top, or their iMac. "THE PC" is a nebulous concept that in the real world means something different to everyone, and there's no clear path to knowing that "I can put X amount of money in and get X amount of performance". If there was a single spec, a standard spec that would be different. There is no mechanism in place to make people know what they are getting for their investment.

People see a commercial, or play a demo station of a console, and they know if they pay the sticker price they get that same experience. Not the case with PC, because you don't know what it takes to run what you're seeing. Is anyone getting the quality of the early Witcher 3 "demos"?


PC will seemingly always have this problem, as it has no actual identity. "THE PC" that people talk about has theoretically infinite power and infinite cost, but t's not my PC, and I don't know what it takes to make it my PC. I think most consumers will feel the same way.

 

[Killroyskbg]

at the end of the year? i doub it. (BTW, consoles rarely arrive at the USD equivalent price elsewhere, mine was like 700usd or a little more at launch, PC parts are a lot more convinient when investing a lot of cash overseas)

And PS hardware will never decrease in cost? And sorry you live in a bad country but that is not the case for most of us.

 

[AmyS]

PS5 is at least another 6 years away. I think releasing a more powerful playstation is the best move sony can make, and I sure as hell do not want a repeat of last gen. The ps3 overstayed its welcome and games were bursting at the seams. With a revised more powerful ps4 on its way, at least we know developers have a lot more breathing room. I have no idea why people are in such an uproar over this.

So, 2022 or later?

I really don't believe so. If this PS4K is not real, or never comes out, PS5 will most likely launch in 2020, not later.

 

[Vorg]

And it will still! If you have it you can play the same games as everyone else on a PS4k is what all the rumors say.

No it won't. It will probably be like those cross-gen ps3 titles that ran like shit. Minimum effort will go into the regular ps4 version just to ensure it's playable. That's how those things usually work between hardware generations. Always go full support on the newer generation hardware and minimum effort on the older. I think that's what people are really afraid of.

 

[DigSCCP]

If they release it Q4 2018 they shouldn't even release it at all.

PS5 will most likely be shown at E3 2019.

If this is true I dont think we are going too see a PS5 before 2021.
Honestly I dont think we will see a "true PS5" in a long time.
I can see the generation model going down.
PS4 and it updated models will reign until consumers "ask" for a new real jump.
Just like we see on almost all PC exclusives: you can play them on your ultra rig (Ultra PS4K) or in your modest Walmart netbook( OG PS4) .
Dark times are coming for those who like AAA productions.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

No it won't. It will probably be like those cross-gen ps3 titles that ran like shit. Minimum effort will go into the regular ps4 version just to ensure it's playable. That's how those things usually work between hardware generations. Always go full support on the newer generation hardware and minimum effort on the older.

This isn't a generational shift. This is an enhancement. The games are being released on the same disk. They will appeal to the base with the largest number of consumers. That's the PS4.

 

[Keihart]

And PS hardware will never decrease in cost? And sorry you live in a bad country but that is not the case for most of us.

when i say elsewhere i mean any other country that is not the US.
And as far as i know, new GPU technologies are releasing at the end of the year wich will probably bring PC costs down.

If this is true I dont think we are going too see a PS5 before 2021.
Honestly I dont think we will see a "true PS5" in a long time.
I can see the generation model going down.
PS4 and it updated models will reign until consumers "ask" for a new real jump.
Just like we see on almost all PC exclusives: you can play them on your ultra rig (Ultra PS4K) or in your modest Walmart netbook( OG PS4) .
Dark times are coming for those who like AAA productions.

This i fear, the constant crossgen that we already see in cellphones where the latest models are hardly using their better hardware.

 

[Killroyskbg]

No it won't. It will probably be like those cross-gen ps3 titles that ran like shit. Minimum effort will go into the regular ps4 version just to ensure it's playable. That's how those things usually work between hardware generations. Always go full support on the newer generation hardware and minimum effort on the older. I think that's what people are really afraid of.

This is not a new gen. The architecture will be almost identical not like having to optimize for the cell processor and other 7 year old hardware like split memory.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

I was mad salty at first but I've come to terms with it. My ps is an exclusive box anyway, so as long as I still get all those games I'm good.

 

[Nikodemos]

No way, The PS4k extends this gen until 7nm chips are available for PS5. No sooner than holiday 2020.

Unlikely. The PS4K feels like a mid-gen refresh, sort of like an S-series iPhone rather than a completely new product. So it'll only last about 3 years.

Of course, since consoles are quite likely to remain x86 going forwards, I suspect all of the games will be forwards-compatible with the PS5.
However, there's the issue of monetisation, since having your games work day 1 with your shiny new console doesn't bring devs and publishers any revenue, so we might begin seeing pay2play patching. High-res asset bundles might come with a pricetag.

 

[Killroyskbg]

when i say elsewhere i mean any other country that is not the US.
And as far as i know, new GPU technologies are releasing at the end of the year wich will probably bring PC costs down.

I dont live in the US. And the PS4 has gone down 100$ already probably more in the fall. Everything gets cheaper as time goes when it comes to hardware.

 

[jeffram]

If this is true I dont think we are going too see a PS5 before 2021.
Honestly I dont think we will see a "true PS5" in a long time.
I can see the generation model going down.
PS4 and it updated models will reign until consumers "ask" for a new real jump.
Just like we see on almost all PC exclusives: you can play them on your ultra rig (Ultra PS4K) or in your modest Walmart netbook( OG PS4) .
Dark times are coming for those who like AAA productions.

I think we're done with "real" jumps. We're already at the point of diminishing returns. PS4 and XB1 games came out and some of their games were playable on 8 year old hardware (PS3 360). Maybe it wasn't the best experience, but it worked.

My guess is that we're done with the concepts of generations, and we will see performance evolution over time, but not performance revolution. This will allow for developers to target and benefit from previous "iterations" of consoles along with whatever the new hotness is.

Power is rarely a barrier to creation anymore.

 

[icecold1983]

Its really hard for me to picture a scenario where this ends up working out

 

[Naudi]

The exclusives thing is my own prediction, but everything else I said is in the OP.

Yeah but everything else you said is zero issue. If only difference between the 2 versions is 1080p/60fps and 1080p/30fps is that a problem? Is it a problem that they demo the better version more prominently? Exclusives that early would be a bummer I agree, but it's quite the stretch to assume that now. Maybe 3 more years from now, and by then everyone should be ok with it cause it would be 6-7 years after PS4 came out.

 

[Bigmac1910]

Don't know how feel about only 2x of GPU power, if I understand it correctly, games that run 1080p 30fps will run at 1080p 60fps, that's not a big jump. Also, lets not forget that some games only run at 900p, the PS4K needs an even bigger boost then.

 

[Xander Crews]

Coming from a day one buyer, I'm very pissed off by this news.

You made out pretty good. Imagine if you bought it yesterday!

Edit: Imagine if you bought 1 day from your return window!

 

[Naudi]

Don't know how feel about only 2x of GPU power, if I understand it correctly, games that run 1080p 30fps will run at 1080p 60fps, that's not a big jump. Also, lets not forget that some games only run at 900p, the PS4K needs an even bigger boost then.

Yeah but it seems people are against a big jump due to feeling inferior... In a way a small bump could be good if it just meant more 60fps games. Uncharted 4 is still amazing on PS4 at 30fps and on the 4K it is exact same but smooth 60fps. Win win!

 

[dano1]

fuck
this
shit

I want no part of this, we just started this gen!

In
day
one

I'm all in. It will be over 3 years by the time this comes out !

 

[Otnopolit]

Its really hard for me to picture a scenario where this ends up working out

Do you mean sales wise? It could tank. I don't think it's going to pull people off the brand or keep PS4 owners from buying games unless the new games are extremely downgraded when played on PS4 1.0 versus PS4K.

 

[DigSCCP]

I think we're done with "real" jumps. We're already at the point of diminishing returns. PS4 and XB1 games came out and some of their games were playable on 8 year old hardware (PS3 360). Maybe it wasn't the best experience, but it worked.

My guess is that we're done with the concepts of generations, and we will see performance evolution over time, but not performance revolution. This will allow for developers to target and benefit from previous "iterations" of consoles along with whatever the new hotness is.

Power is rarely a barrier to creation anymore.

I dont agree that power is rarely a barrier to creation.
Still I think the same way about everything else.
Like I said I can see a PS4K Ultra coming after 4k.
And sharing games with PS4 n 4K.
And when the next PS comes, lets assume its like 5, it will share games with 4K n 4K Ultra.
No more traditional gens.
No more jumps.
I dont like it.
But I can see devs would love it, developing for bigger audiences.
Small jumps in a long long time.
Bad for us enthusiastics.

 

[SneakyStephan]

I'm calling it: If PS4K doesn't come out this year, it's not coming out at all.

Releasing it in 2017 is beyond stupid when they can just wait a year and release PS5 instead, regardless of what Microsoft (and to a lesser extent, Nintendo) does.

A ps5 releasing in 2017 wouldn't have any different technology available than a ps4.5 releasing in late 2016

14nm
GDDR5x (HBM2 in 2017 but that is WAY overkill for any console specs you'd have in 2017)
polaris/pascal

Nothing would change

Technically sony could release a full 10 x performance generational leap console in 2017 I suppose, if they used gp100 big pascal and an 8 core zen xD but that's not going to happen as that's high end stuff (probably 275W gpu and 100+W cpu)


Don't expect a full new gen console till like 2019 when 10 nm gpus and cpus will allow that kind of jump with midrange hardware

I think we're done with "real" jumps. We're already at the point of diminishing returns. PS4 and XB1 games came out and some of their games were playable on 8 year old hardware (PS3 360). Maybe it wasn't the best experience, but it worked.

My guess is that we're done with the concepts of generations, and we will see performance evolution over time, but not performance revolution. This will allow for developers to target and benefit from previous "iterations" of consoles along with whatever the new hotness is.

Power is rarely a barrier to creation anymore.

People called the xbox 360 the xbox 1.5 when it just came out because initially it didn't do anything the first xbox couldn't do either.

Also "power is rarely a barrier to creation anymore" , please we are so many years away from hitting diminishing returns on graphics, let alone on what game mechanics are possible.

Still waiting for a next gen wave race game with some convincing water simulation, or for any game to able to do something as basic as a mirror properly

Look at games like rainbow six siege or that microsoft crackdown 3 footage for a little glimpse of what can be done when you have more performance available than the old xbox 360 or the star citizen system multicrew and local gravity system (both sound so basic yet haven't been done in a multiplayer game before)

I think we haven't seen more than a glimpse of what's possible in games yet, but to do much more we'll need exponentially much more performance.

 

[opoth]

Glad I bought an XB1 and waited to jump in until P5 and DQ11.

 

[dano1]

Glad I bought an XB1 and waited to jump in until P5 and DQ11.

Xbox will probably be doing the same thing. And they need too!

 

[The God]

Yeah but everything else you said is zero issue. If only difference between the 2 versions is 1080p/60fps and 1080p/30fps is that a problem? Is it a problem that they demo the better version more prominently? Exclusives that early would be a bummer I agree, but it's quite the stretch to assume that now. Maybe 3 more years from now, and by then everyone should be ok with it cause it would be 6-7 years after PS4 came out.

The concern is that PS4 games will suffer because of devs focusing on PS4K.

 

[icecold1983]

Do you mean sales wise? It could tank. I don't think it's going to pull people off the brand or keep PS4 owners from buying games unless the new games are extremely downgraded when played on PS4 1.0 versus PS4K.

Working out as in not losing sony money and pissing off its current customers

 

[Jonm1010]

Glad I bought an XB1 and waited to jump in until P5 and DQ11.

XB1 would probably be wise to follow suit and try and undue some of their mistakes.

 

[Bigmac1910]

Yeah but it seems people are against a big jump due to feeling inferior... In a way a small bump could be good if it just meant more 60fps games. Uncharted 4 is still amazing on PS4 at 30fps and on the 4K it is exact same but smooth 60fps. Win win!

Really? I am not sure if Sony would care about that. We'll see if it's worth the upgrade once it's finally revealed. And they are just launching the PSVR, weird that it would be so close to PS4K as it works on the regular PS4. Not sure if this is a good move honestly.

 

[Vorg]

Do you mean sales wise? It could tank. I don't think it's going to pull people off the brand or keep PS4 owners from buying games unless the new games are extremely downgraded when played on PS4 1.0 versus PS4K.

I disagree. I think this move breaks consumer trust completely.

 

[Muzicfreq]

I just need to ask what is the reason for that? Do you think it is cheaper to keep a PC up to date?

Actually, yes. Up front is pricey but CPUs from Intel have long lifespans and they said that they're not doing core count bumps anymore but architecture upgrades.
Beefy video card around $300 every 6 years doesn't sound far fetched considering how tech is progressing lately.
1080p gaming is getting cheaper and cheaper while 4k is but not at the same rate.

 

[PSYGN]

Maybe we can get Uncharted 4 remaster on PS4.5.

 

[jeffram]

Maybe we can get Uncharted 4 remaster on PS4.5.

Well hopefully it looks more like Naughty Dog patches the PS4 version to allow for 60fps on PS4K, and no one has to rebuy it.