SlipperyFishes
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Tom won't spill Jack here
But branding anything Surface might as well be a death knell
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Xbox One Revision and probably a NEW Xbox outed by FCC Filings
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But branding anything Surface might as well be a death knell
Tom won't spill Jack here
But branding anything Surface might as well be a death knell
What? The Surface brand is doing fantastic for Microsoft.
Tom won't spill Jack here
But branding anything Surface might as well be a death knell
It's not going to have a Surface brand. The surface team is making it. And the Surface brand is very, very solid.
SlipperyFishes
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The platform is Xbox. Calling it an Xbox Surface would muddy whatever this console ends up being (slim or a 1.5c) in the opposite way that the Wii U brand fucked up majorly
Why would you think that? They aren't going to call it Xbox Surface breh.
It still will be Xbox, its just you've got the best team in the business making it.
If it was an Xbox Surface, it would imply a gaming focused Surface, which I don't expect to happen. I get what you were saying and I highly doubt we'll see Xbox and Surface brands crossover besides the obvious Xbox App for Windows 10. With Panos Panay leading the hardware teams now, I do expect the Surface quality to make its way over to Xbox.
Wait is this guy important!
Hawk269
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Lol. I use a windows phone too though. Am I an insider? Lol
Diablohead
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i'd be a fan of just taking the xbox one, shrinking it as much as possible while removing hdmi-in and any other compoents not required, knock £50 off the rrp or something.
If they can make an xbox one slim for £179 it will turn heads, right now you are looking at about £230-£250 for a regular xbox one.
If they can make an xbox one slim for £179 it will turn heads, right now you are looking at about £230-£250 for a regular xbox one.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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They are making this new xbox one and one game will take full advantage of it... mothafuckin
SCALEBOUND!
SCALEBOUND!
And Titanfall 2
Damn, it really does.
Mobile TitanFall? I am guessing some kind of companion app?
EDIT:
R2X1? Revision 2 Xbox One?Xbox 1.5 confirmed
Finally!!! I've been waiting to jump in for quite some time now.
BleedOrange
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That's Tom Warren. Senior Editor for The Verge usually focused on Microsoft coverage. He's one of a handful of media personalities that would know something this early.
They merged all the hardware units under one roof lead by Panos Panay not too long ago.
BleedOrange
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It just makes too much sense to not be happening. Microsoft got lambasted at launch (and still does today) for the uninspired Xbox One design. They've been restructuring all consumer hardware under Panos Panay (original Surface lead), and Surface hardware design language has been a huge hit for them. It's an easy call to make.
Thats cool. I didn't know that and thats a very good thing since I absolutely love my Pro 3.
The Abominable Snowman
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I don't think 3.2M is much of a feat for anyone for holiday sales WW. Xbox One has outdone/outshipped that every holiday, and so has the 360 every holiday outside of the very first launch holiday.
Saying that an unknown console will definitely beat a known quantity is ridiculous anyway, so carry on.
Hawk269
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Or a substantial amount of the E3 show will be dedicated to the new unit, games etc. They would want to spend some time explaining how it will work in relationship to the existing Xbox One. Smart money would be to show a few high profile games that are currently on the Xbox One and then show the difference the Xbox One Pro or whatever they call it. Seeing is believing and I would think they would want to show what it could do. Also spend time reassuring current owners that games will still work on the Xbox One, but they would just run and look better on the updated console.
The would show a quick video of some Xbox One games that were updated with the new hardware, then show something that is taking full advantage, but also still coming out on the regular Xbox One.
I think MS usually runs a 90 minute show, so give this new unit and all the games being shown and stuff a 30 min part, leaving 60 minutes for the remainder of the game demo's, some being shown using the new hardware, some using existing Xbox One or push the conference to a 2 hour event.
An updated Xbox One at E3?
The disc-less console that you and ntkrnl heard they were testing a couple of years ago?
The Shift
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"Surface Home presented by xbox powered by Windows 10 brought to you by Microsoft © 2016"
Knowing MS that would probably be given the go ahead.
Sort of makes sense though:
Surface = Tablet
Surface Mobile = Lumia
Surface Home = STB/Console
Surface Hub = Business Display
get2sammyb
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It's interesting the contrast in reactions to the PS4K and this thread. There's a lot of scepticism and almost outrage for the former, while it seems Xbox fans are more than willing to toss away their Xbox One already if it means an upgrade is on the way.
Of course, this is just a general sentiment I've observed between the two threads - obviously different posters are involved, and I'm certainly not trying to insinuate any instance of double standards. I just think it's fascinating.
Of course, this is just a general sentiment I've observed between the two threads - obviously different posters are involved, and I'm certainly not trying to insinuate any instance of double standards. I just think it's fascinating.
Captain Tuttle
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Preach it zoidberg, I'm the same way
For me a big part of it is that MS has shown that they give a shit about compatibility, and they are clearly working to make games work across a range of devices. Sony on the other hand has done nothing but move away from cross device compatibility. I also just trust MS more to get conpatibility right on the software end of things.
I fully welcome a new way of looking at console cycles, I just don't trust Sony to pull it off properly.
Funny. Your thoughts about the responses to this thread is exactly what was said in the PS4K thread in comparison to the first thread about an upgraded XB1. That quickly proved false when all the negative reactions filled the thread.
Basically, we all have different views about new consoles being released after only 3 years and what it means for the console market.
I would be willing to jump in on new, stronger hardware given everything I own will continue to play on the new system. We're not even to 3 years in and Spencer has already said he doesn't want a generational change to happen again that makes all your previous purchases useless with a new system so I have faith that if they do announce something that's stronger, it will absolutely be able to play everything out now.
Hockeymac18
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The original Phil Spencer thread was full of outrage.
I think most people have just already said their piece on this topic at this point, which might explain why this thread is way slower than the original Spencer and PS4K threads.
I wouldn't equate lack of thread activity or outrage with acceptance of the iterative console concept...I think plenty of people have major reservations. They're just not in this thread.
That said, I do think MS has a "workable" (still has kinks to with out) solution to backwards and forwards compatibility with the UWP/UWA platform, which could provide easier transition for devs (needs to prove itself first, though) - even if means making the console more like a PC. Perhaps some people have less reservations in the MS model vs. the Sony model for this reason?
I'm kind of in that camp, myself. Although I'm personally cautiously excited about both... At least, I want to see what both have in mind before fully judging this concept. A lot of questions to answer for how this will all work...
Yup, I agree on both counts.
tiredheadcrab
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This typically happens for smartphones. Has this ever happened for consoles to leak through the FCC?
Samurai G0SU
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Put thay tounge back in your mouth and behave! No candy for you!!!
Tatsumi Oga
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To be fair though, an updated Xbox One could mean anything. If it has better WiFi for example, isn't that already updated? I want to get excited and look forward to a much more powerful Xbox One, but after what Phil Spencer said I just can't. Unless he was trying to mislead everyone with those words and they ARE introducing a Xbox 1.5. It's not the first time one thing is said but the opposite turns out to be true.
Bring back the DUKE!!!
Hockeymac18
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I took his words to not mean that they're not making an iterative console, but rather that if they did go down that road, they would make it a significant update (more than just a "0.5" update).
At least that was my interpretation.
I personally feel there's something coming... Questions to me are just how much of an upgrade (more than 2x? VR capable?) and when (this year? Next year? Later?).
Updating the Xbox One to be smaller with WiFi AC would be a collosal waste of time at this point. The Xbox One is underpowered compared to the PS4, let alone the rumored PS4K and now the NX, and not taking this chance when updating the system to go back through and update the hardware to make it better in all regards would be a missed opportunity. It won't be a half step either, like a 1.5 would imply, but a console with a pretty significant update that is backwards compatible with everything available on the Xbox One now and everything that is coming.
Tatsumi Oga
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That does make a lot more sense yeah. It would once again show that MS is missing the point completely and that would be weird with someone like Phil Spencer who does understand Xbox compared to the previous boss of Xbox. One thing though, the leaks and info so far don't really go into detail about better hardware at all though. So are they keeping that under wraps on purpose and only leaking small things? The details about PS4K with better GPU and CPU, we don't have that about Xbox at all so far.
PS4K is a toss up since rumors state its a lot more powerful and perhaps games would be solely developed for it which i think causes a lot more outrage than lets say a revision slim upgrade with newer components like for the most part is what i have been seeing said on this thread.
Liabe Brave
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But how do they achieve that "pretty significant update"? The 2x GPU performance rumored for PS4K is about in line with what the node shrink is providing AMD's new silicon. If Microsoft intend to step higher, passing even an upgraded PS4, they'd need bigger, better components.
But that doesn't come cheap, and the current machine is $299. Achieving, say, 4x the performance seems unlikely with just a $100 bump. So do you expect that they'll put a $499 or higher pricetag on the new model? Because public reaction could get ugly, or be apathetic. Yet the only alternative would be to go back to subsidizing the hardware, which seems even riskier.
Are we talking about the same ms?. They cut the first two consoles off at the knees as soon as the new one showed up, they have zero track record of supporting a console when the new hotness hits.
But the 360 was able to play OG Xbox games, and now Xbox One can play (some) 360 games.
I think the plan is to cease developing the current model this year so firesale and drop to 199 or keep up 249 pricing. Introduce the slim which is more cost effective at 249 or 299. It will come with HDMI 2.0 port and able to use 4k blurays. Launch Xbox 2 2017-2018 using 2nd gen Polaris GPU and Zen Cores.
??? -- The 360 was supported pretty well from 2013-2015. The system had (worse) versions of big Xbox One games like Titanfall, Forza Horizon 2, and Tomb Raider.
But anyway, his point was more about game compatibility; Not systems being supported after their successor launches.
justsomeguy
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The initial Xbox1.5 thread was full of outrage
presagetogood
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To really be able to parse through those observations of different consumer mentalities, you would need to have more facts on hand and you would need to have an expert approach to those facts.
Here are some facts we do know...xb1 has had a higher software attach ratio, so gamers on xb1 have spent more [don't know for sure if that's still the case though]. We also know that ps4 is the more mainstream console, since it's sold a lot more, so it attracts a whole lot more of people from every category...so that includes people with less expendable income, like teens.
We could also go into the theoretical and argue that ps4 had a steamrolling, bandwagon effect on the consciousness of the video game buying public, evidenced by the kinds of coverage and conversations about and around the subject of xb1.....and what category of people are most prone to be subjected to peer pressure, fitting in, and wanting to be part of the group? Teenagers and younger people.....though I'm not arguing peer pressure was the only reason they bought the ps4...they also bought it cause they liked the machine inherently.
That's a healthily, reason based approach to an analysis on the different kinds of behaviors and mentalities you noted.
I stood in the rain for the Wii launch. I still haven't bought a Wii U. And 2001, 2006, 2012 is 5 and 6 years between. You're saying the NX would only put 4 years between AND we know zero about it - plus they are definitely currently making games for the Wii U still.
EraErr0r1
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An Xbox One revision at this point makes an incredible amount of sense. The console currently available was designed for a totally different skillset which, although quickly abandoned before/after launch, is still hampering Microsofts market share and brand image.
A new xbox 1.5/slim/whatever is needed for a multitude of reasons. To name a few:
1. A fresh, new start. New marketing, games and features that showcase Microsoft is taking the console in a new direction.
2. Remove redundant features like HDMI in, maybe even the Kinect port.
3. Implement a slimmer, more cost effective design.
4. Upgrade CPU, GPU to improve better gaming performance. At least 100% capable of 1080p, 60fps. Let alone 4k. Average gamer cares about this more than you think.
5. Potentially make the NEW Xbox One Occulus Rift/Hololens etc. compatable right out of the box.
E3 2016 is shaping up to be a very important expo for the entire industry. Could very well illustrate where Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo plan to take gaming to in the next decade.
A new xbox 1.5/slim/whatever is needed for a multitude of reasons. To name a few:
1. A fresh, new start. New marketing, games and features that showcase Microsoft is taking the console in a new direction.
2. Remove redundant features like HDMI in, maybe even the Kinect port.
3. Implement a slimmer, more cost effective design.
4. Upgrade CPU, GPU to improve better gaming performance. At least 100% capable of 1080p, 60fps. Let alone 4k. Average gamer cares about this more than you think.
5. Potentially make the NEW Xbox One Occulus Rift/Hololens etc. compatable right out of the box.
E3 2016 is shaping up to be a very important expo for the entire industry. Could very well illustrate where Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo plan to take gaming to in the next decade.
Munki
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Tom won't spill Jack here
But branding anything Surface might as well be a death knell
I think this quote pretty much explains what Panos envisions for all MS devices going forward.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/10/8/9478353/microsoft-panos-panay-interview-surface-book-design
"Over time you want a consistent thread between the products, especially the hardware as well," he explains. "I think what you have to think with overall devices is making sure we are able to get that consistent premium fit and finish that people are expecting from Microsoft." That fit and finish involves "consistency across design" and "consistency across craftsmanship," says Panay. That doesn't mean brands will necessarily align, especially in the case of the Xbox, but it's hard not to see a Surface-inspired phone in the future even it's still labeled as a Lumia. "I think we are in a great spot right now," says Panay. "You always work off the foundation as a starting point, and this foundation we've got is phenomenal and the consistency will come."
They better keep the HDMI-in. I use OneGuide daily.
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