Remember when Duke Nukem 3D: Megaton Edition got pulled from Steam a while back? Maybe not, but here is a news article regarding that episode. Basically, Gearbox is still up to their usual ways and bulling developers around:
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Duke Nukem Dust-Up: Gearbox vs Gobeille (Duke4's TerminX)
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Piston Hyundai
Member
magicians get paid to lie to people
unknownhero
Member
I see randy is still a major cunt.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The new corporate 'get out of jail [see: contract] free' card.
"But---but they were not in a position of authority to sign a usually notarized or witnessed contract."
I really do hope Gearbox gets hammered, because I truly do not buy it, at all.
"But---but they were not in a position of authority to sign a usually notarized or witnessed contract."
I really do hope Gearbox gets hammered, because I truly do not buy it, at all.
afternoon delight
Member
Randy Pitchford is so slimy, I gladly boycott Gearbox's slim-to-negligible efforts.
"Contracts? We can invalidate those if we want, new rules, new terms!"
Fuck that guy with lupus and contract in hand, fuck him. Blech.
"Contracts? We can invalidate those if we want, new rules, new terms!"
Fuck that guy with lupus and contract in hand, fuck him. Blech.
Valkyr1983
Banned
Was it just steam or all versions pulled?
Was plAnning on grabbing for Vita...
Was plAnning on grabbing for Vita...
Because Gearbox has sealed the details of the settlement between them and 3D Realms, nobody knows. This guy who had a contract was asking for details about it as he's about to do a mobile port of Duke 3D, didn't get anywhere and is now saying fuck it and will release anyway saying Gearbox will have to sue to stop him.
If they do sue, maybe the facts will come out.
AcceptableGhost
Member
I hope Gearbox doesn't nuke the Megaton Edition on Steam when they get around to putting out their Duke 3D version.
twilitezoner
Member
Do the right thing Randy.
Because when rights and the like are transferred, existing contracts are usually still valid and honoured. Bit as we don't know the terms of that contract and the terms of Gesrbox/3D Realms settlement, we don't know.
Jawmuncher
Member
The comment from Randy Pitchford is gross.
You would think the guy would want to save some face, but I guess he figures if the masses aren't hearing about this. Why care?
You would think the guy would want to save some face, but I guess he figures if the masses aren't hearing about this. Why care?
Quadraphonic
Member
Read the article to the end. If you dig through the contracts, while Gearbox now owns all FUTURE rights to new Duke Nukem games, 3D Realms maintains rights to all previously released games AND FUTURE PORTS OF RELEASED GAMES.
There may be some change or clarification to that, but 3DR seems to be in the right on this and Pitchford is just pushing people around.
Randy Pitchford is such a miserable son of a bitch and I'm tired of constantly hearing about how he's outdone his previous efforts to be a bastard.
EDIT: I'll throw this in because it's relevant to Randy Pitchford, but Romero is actually using this guy to promote his Kickstarter.
EDIT: I'll throw this in because it's relevant to Randy Pitchford, but Romero is actually using this guy to promote his Kickstarter.
That's muddy too. The last update was 3DR and Gearbox joint statement saying Gearbox now own the older games:
Quadraphonic
Member
This is the "Excluded Assets" section, IE: SHIT RANDY DOESN'T HAVE RIGHTS TO.
Section II specifically mentions Duke Nukem 3D.
FURTHER, Section IV's last line says "ALL PORTS OF THE DUKE NUKEM 3D GAME TO ANY PLATFORM"
This dude is fucking people over.
If there's some more up to date list, it's not public. And he's refusing to show ANYBODY. And that's the problem.
Yup. Basically all the settlement statement says is that 3D Realms thinks a "a single home serves the IP best", probably because Gearbox had them over a barrel. All Randy said was that Gearbox "wishes to keep the terms of its settlement confidential except to confirm that Gearbox Software is the full and rightful owner of the Duke Nukem franchise."
Every news site I've read says that means Gearbox has the rights to the old games as well now, but that wording is so damn fluffy that I have no idea if that's actually true since we can't see the settlement. They're clearly hiding something in that settlement based on this from the article too:
shortsFortallPeople
Banned
Yeah I'm done with gearbox. They just seem excessively scummy and petty
MrCunningham
Member
TerminX... Now that's a name I haven't heard in a very long time. I used to make textures for the high resolution texture pack for Duke Nukem 3D over a decade ago, TerminX would always be dropping the latest builds of his Duke 3D port on us.
That's really scummy that Gearbox is trying to find a way to steal his work without having to give him any royalty fees. TerminX put a lot of hard work into EDuke32 port over the years and it is one of the best ways to play the game on a current PC.
I had no idea that Gearbox pulled Megaton Edition from Steam. That's a shame. I'm glad that I bought a copy before it disappeared.
That's really scummy that Gearbox is trying to find a way to steal his work without having to give him any royalty fees. TerminX put a lot of hard work into EDuke32 port over the years and it is one of the best ways to play the game on a current PC.
I had no idea that Gearbox pulled Megaton Edition from Steam. That's a shame. I'm glad that I bought a copy before it disappeared.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
This is the "Excluded Assets" section, IE: SHIT RANDY DOESN'T HAVE RIGHTS TO.
Section II specifically mentions Duke Nukem 3D.
FURTHER, Section IV's last line says "ALL PORTS OF THE DUKE NUKEM 3D GAME TO ANY PLATFORM"
This dude is fucking people over.
If there's some more up to date list, it's not public. And he's refusing to show ANYBODY. And that's the problem.
I wonder if part of the settlement afterwards, 3DR had to hand over everything due to them making false claims and thus having to apologize. No one knows what the settlement was.
http://www.polygon.com/2015/8/19/91...destruction-lawsuit-settled-3d-realms-gearbox
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
Fuck you Randy.
Phoenix Fang
Banned
I haven't bought not one game from Gearbox and it looks like I will continue not to do so.
MrCunningham
Member
They already nuked it from Steam. Looking at the storefront, it is not there anymore. Sadly they removed everything Duke Nukem related from Steam and GOG, this includes Duke Nukem 3D (vanilla and Megaton), Duke Nukem 1 and 2, and Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project. Which sucks. You can't even buy the original DOS game anymore and run it on TerminX's EDuke 32 port, if you really wanted to.
The only Duke game that you can purchase on Steam now is Duke Nukem Forever and its expansion packs... yeesh....
AcceptableGhost
Member
No I mean the actual files. I hope they don't replace Megaton Edition on Steam and just add a new app to the store instead so they leave Megaton Edition alone for the people who bought it.
I don't think they're allowed to as Valve doesn't allow it.
MrCunningham
Member
I'm sure Megaton is safe because it is under a different listing. Unless of course Gearbox decides to call their port "Megaton Edition" as well... then there might be a problem.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Randy Pitchford just seems like such a lowlife.
TurtleSnatcher
Member
That was all hearsay. In fact, the source was someone claiming to be a QA tester at Sega on Reddit if I recall. A QA tester wouldn't even know those things.
Publishers constantly audit developers. It would have been discovered if it were true.
ramoisdead
Member
I know the contract is between Gobeille and 3D Realms but that comment by Pitchford was disgusting. At least offer some avenue to help the guy, don't just play the victim as well.
I miss when Jim Sterling rips on this guy. It should happen more often like the #FucKonamiNews
I miss when Jim Sterling rips on this guy. It should happen more often like the #FucKonamiNews
funkystudent
Member
I cant....
Randy. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Doesnt seem like anyone is in the wrong except Randy being a ultra douche here and Gearbox for taking a months worth of the guys money.
It sucks Megaton Edition got pulled but the rights expired. Shit happens all the time. Dude doesnt get his royalty check for his time spent working on a game that isnt for sale anymore. That makes sense.
Just give him the money he is owed and move the fuck on. Dont play the pity card.
MrCunningham
Member
Jim just played through Aliens: Colonial Marines with the TemplarGFX and Gameplay overall a couple days ago and he went off on a Randy Pitchford tirade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X167BVzF28U
Tye The Czar
Member
Yeah... I'm boycotting Borderlands 3.
DarkSoul520
Member
Is anyone really surprised by this? After Aliens: Colonial Marines, I lost a lot of faith in Gearbox, and this is just sealing the deal by this point.
Nerdkiller
Membeur
How does this bode for the PS4 port of Duke 3D? I remember Devolver talking about it not too long after releasing the Vita version (has that also been pulled).
SolidChamp
Banned
Funny thing is, most here won't.
Here's a list of what Randy's done so far:
Refused to pay TX for finding the Xbox 360 version source code;
Seized TX's royalties from Megaton;
Claimed TX's contracts were invalid but refused to provide a statement of why;
His lawyers have given TX the silence treatment;
Is risking public backlash by suing a disabled man without any legal basis;
Is rewriting the DOS code despite the odds of it not being worth the cost so they don't have to pay TX royalties;
Went on a rampage on Twitter for hours arguing about this;
He has been very careless, leaving TX's access to their systems open for months.
This is personal. Randy is directing his hate of Scott Miller towards TX. That's it. This actually goes back to the planfile wars. Randy and a few members of the Bombshell team all quit 3D Realms in '97 once to start a new studio. 3DR sued Rebel Boat Rocker for trademark infringement back in '98.
'Row, row, your boat, Our game is but a dream'.
-Scott Miller January '99 in reference to Rebel Boat Rocker's debut Prax War being cancelled by EA.
Refused to pay TX for finding the Xbox 360 version source code;
Seized TX's royalties from Megaton;
Claimed TX's contracts were invalid but refused to provide a statement of why;
His lawyers have given TX the silence treatment;
Is risking public backlash by suing a disabled man without any legal basis;
Is rewriting the DOS code despite the odds of it not being worth the cost so they don't have to pay TX royalties;
Went on a rampage on Twitter for hours arguing about this;
He has been very careless, leaving TX's access to their systems open for months.
This is personal. Randy is directing his hate of Scott Miller towards TX. That's it. This actually goes back to the planfile wars. Randy and a few members of the Bombshell team all quit 3D Realms in '97 once to start a new studio. 3DR sued Rebel Boat Rocker for trademark infringement back in '98.
'Row, row, your boat, Our game is but a dream'.
-Scott Miller January '99 in reference to Rebel Boat Rocker's debut Prax War being cancelled by EA.
Woah, you got links to this backstory? I know Carmack did .plan files in the 90's, but I didn't know other companies did as well.
Speaking as former Sega QA, you would be surprised with how much we know.
Oh yeah, dude. Almost all of the major FPS studios had plan files, with Valve being the notable exception. Blues News is your place, though to get the really early entries, you might need to go to Archive.org.
Here's Randy's Prax War post-mortem.
If you want a laugh, check out this gem recovered from some Shadow Warrior developer material:
