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NX will launch in March 2017 globally, won't be at E3 (focusing on Zelda instead)
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Plus every Nintendo console got an exclusive Zelda during its lifetime. It's not such an outrageous assumption to make.
Thanks. You are really helping.
if you knew it was coming out in 2015 when it was 2012, then shouldn't you have been warning people in 2014 about the delay to 2017?
When did that happen?
Regardless, it makes too much sense to do another NWC. Yeah, it was a great opportunity to show off Mario Maker last year, but they also had those other games, most of which were already out, and some not yet. Even if they just have NWC for Splatoon, Smash, and the like, it would still be a good idea. I'm sure they would have something new though. It just makes sense.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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No they didn't.
I bought a PS4 for Rime. I know how it feels
You bought a PS4 because of one indie game?
could be worse. i bought a ps3 for the last guardian, final fantasy versus xiii, and heavy rain.
nckillthegrimace
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Hey, two out of the three are coming out this year
well as a twist, i wish that heavy rain never came out.
Zelda has a history of delays. Games can and do get delayed or cancelled, all the time, in fact. Among other reasons not to base buying decisions on a single piece of software that doesn't yet exist for consumers to actually buy.
Nintendo promised a Wii U Zelda game. He is still going to get a Wii U Zelda game. There is no failure on the part of the company here.
The only failure present is a lack of logical reasoning and pragmatic utilization of money on the part of the consumer.
Really? I enjoyed it. I couldn't play through it more than once but that one time through was a great experience for me.
Yes, I agree with you, the consumer is stupid for giving Nintendo money. /s
No, the consumer is stupid for buying a console for a game that doesn't exist for purchase and therefore be wholly unlike the product they expected and may not exist in a time window they consider acceptable, especially a game in a series with a long standing history of delays.
But let's ignore that and blame someone else when it's not warranted. That'll really serve us well in an industry known for not keeping its word on a consistent basis.
Spieler Eins
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Googled, apparently it was a false report last E3, which I didn't further look into back in the day (since I didn't care about the event).
Just being realistic, bub. We can agree to disagree.
Ninja Scooter
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If a console launch is reliant on a game that isn't even out yet, it doesn't deserve to be successful. Buying a console for a game that you know, at the very least, is a year away if not more, is dumb. It's a dumb purchasing decision and the onus is 100% of the person making the purchase.
I got that sense at the time, too, Tre, but I think at the time Reggie (or someone at Nintendo) kinda have a noncommittal answer when asked if they'd do another next year, saying something to the effect of, we'll evaluate each year and see what looks best. With that said, until we found out NX won't be at E3 this year, I did think we'd get an NWC. But at this point it looks significantly less likely to me. Perhaps a Zelda-themed one but that may not be as interesting for casual speedrunning fans (of which I'd count myself as one). So, we shall see, but I'm setting my expectations low at this point that we'll get one this year. It's too bad, too, since I was looking forward to it.
This is Zelda. It ALWAYS gets delayed. And its not like your not getting the game on Wii U, its still coming, so relax.
They're not showing their console that's coming out in less than a year at E3?! Are they completely fucking insane? I hate to say it, but Nintendo is on the path to hell. People come to E3 for a reason and their unwillingness to participate fully will be the death of them. Nobody but Nintendo fanboys and girls watch Nintendo direct.
For what game did you buy the Wii U?
Spieler Eins
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Yes. Or the march release is another lie (to please investors) and it's gonna be at an E3 before launch after all.
Everyone would watch Nintendo Directs if they told us they would reveal new hardware. Nobody is going to say they're not interested in Nintendo's products because it's not a live conference.
guys... these are desperate measures, it's not the scenario Nintendo was expecting so this game reaching the launch of the next console is because Nintedo needs every help they can get to try to save their home console business.
there are some legit points on both sides of the discussion.
Omnistalgic
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Coming from someone who mostly plays on other consoles and has no investment into Nintendo for the past two gens, it's pretty hard for me to be interested in what the NX is. So I hope Nintendo does indeed have a "gimmick" along with the console, even if more powerful than the rumored Neo, it'll be hard for me to buy another console for a few exclusives, and I could see the case for a lot of gamers. Here's some of the issues I've come up with.
-PS4 already firmly established in the market, getting ppl out of their comfort zones with another console won't be easy.
-Sony's early Indy push has paid off. The quirky, artsy, genres are no longer dominated by software wizards at Nintendo, further lessening appeal.
-Nintendo very late to the Trophy/achievement party, many gamers are likely tied in to their ecosystem now
-Nintendo might not have the spotlight all to themselves even with a mid-gen starting point for them. Have to share new platform spotlight with VR, Neo/X1.5
Dunno, seems like it's going to be an uphill battle for Nintendo unless they do something really innovative and changes the dynamic of the industry.
-PS4 already firmly established in the market, getting ppl out of their comfort zones with another console won't be easy.
-Sony's early Indy push has paid off. The quirky, artsy, genres are no longer dominated by software wizards at Nintendo, further lessening appeal.
-Nintendo very late to the Trophy/achievement party, many gamers are likely tied in to their ecosystem now
-Nintendo might not have the spotlight all to themselves even with a mid-gen starting point for them. Have to share new platform spotlight with VR, Neo/X1.5
Dunno, seems like it's going to be an uphill battle for Nintendo unless they do something really innovative and changes the dynamic of the industry.
They're isolating information to a smaller audience. Yes, media outlets will report on it, but will it have the same impact? E3 is the place to show off what you're doing in the gaming industry. If you want to make big news that's the way to do it because people as well as the media expect it. I see their attitude towards E3 as a way to not compete against Sony or Microsoft whereas that's EXACTLY what they need to be doing. They just can't seem to learn from their mistakes and it drives me insane.
Anyone investing into Nintendo is doing it wrong at this point.
Can we really be sure of that? Planning/early stages sure but the team made ALBW in between.
Isn't that because of the type of game it is, not how it's presented? Back in the day it was very hard to convey convincing game characters in games so they had to give them hats as a way to circumvent rendering the hair for example. Nowadays Link is perceived as a kiddy Nintendo mascot compared to protagonists like Geralt because of the way he looks. Whenever people see stylized and abstract visuals they assume it's a kids game, that's how bad gaming has become. Zelda needs to "mature" in terms of presentation and add "modern" gameplay systems like loot management, talent trees and other things you see in WRPGs if you want the game to reach a wider audience.
I'm sure Nintendo would go all out on the marketing if they thought it had the potential. In 2011 they doubled down on the music element because they know Skyrim and other releases that year would destroy Skyward Sword visually. Now they have the open world aspect they're gonna push hard, but I think the game is fundamentally niche (as in, not anywhere near 10m+ sales) due to the anime-ish style. Therefore, I don't see a point in going big in terms of E3 stage conferences and ads at the UEFA champions leage. Uncharted 4 can do those things because the franchise has more mass market potential.
I'm not saying NX skipping E3 is a smart idea. I was responding to your Nintendo Direct remark. People who say they will only watch the hardware reveal if it's on the E3 stage probably weren't interested to begin with. In the end it shouldn't matter how they announce it as long as they say the right things.
Nintendo streams during E3 have usually much more viewers than the ones outside E3. So there might be a number of people who are more tempted to watch these during E3 for some reason.
Edit: like me for example, I don't think I would watch an Ubisoft stream outside E3.
I think you're overestimating the impact of this.
People apparently switched from the MS ecosystem to the Sony one with little to no issues during the last generational transition, so of all the things you are mentioned I believe this is the one which would affect NX the least. Likely not at all.
On the contrary, last time I checked the stock had dropped to pre-Wii U levels so this is probably a wise time to invest--if you believe, as I do, that NX could be at least a moderate success and that even still, new utilization of IP will make them quite a bit of money, alongside continued amiibo sales.
Spieler Eins
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PS4 launch conference: A hall full of journalists is chanting ,,Sony" while the entire industry was watching during the biggest gaming event of the year
vs.
Kimishima/Reggie standing in front of a white wall and maybe showing awkward skits (during a random date the year, when competing products like VR will already have a huge marketing advantage)
I sure wonder which one of these things would send a stronger message and stronger images to more potential consumers. WiiU fans can use their ,,E3 is irrelevant" spin all they want. But fact is, Nintendo's public perception right now is pretty much dead in the water. Right now Nintendo is not in a position in which they can expect potential consumers (in particular people they've lost) to follow their own rules of marketing. To the contrary, Nintendo would have needed to show confidence and strenght by coming back to them and convince people they are still able to ,,compete" at E3, still being a proper part of the industry. Skipping E3 with NX is already bad (and only confirming fears about NX), but doing a Direct would also inherently impress less people. Scoff at the people that would skip a Direct, but currently that's the majority of the market and the people whose attention Nintendo needs to regain first and foremost.
Major Marvelous
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I'm not sure niche is the word you should be using, since having a 10m+ standard would mean most games are niche, which is silly to think in my opinion.
I bought it for NintendoLand, because Luigi's Ghost Mansion is amazing. And Pikmin 3.
Are we done here now?
Omnistalgic
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Possibly. just the hardcore are likely worried about the score or trophy list. But digital library, especially if b/c going forward is standard, could be somewhat of a factor
blu
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So did I. I even got the bundle.
The NX skipping E3's only bad if they do nothing to make up for it down the line.
I agree that they need to do a lot more than a NX Hardware Direct.
i got the wii u for pikmin 3, rayman legends, nsmbu, nslu, the wonderful 101, and the wind waker. of course it was almost a year later, the system was much more affordable, and i had waited for games that i wanted to play on the machine to actually have come out.
Yeah, the iMac really suffered in the market and drove Apple into irrelevance by not being announced with their competing products at CES back in 1998. And the iPod, for that matter. Whatever could they have been thinking? Sure didn't impress anyone, no sir. Poor Apple languishing in its continued irrelevance to this day, right?
E3 being the only option for an announcement that drives interest or that consumers give a shit about when something is announced is a weak argument. The product makes all the difference.
Spieler Eins
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Yes, but to compensate, the event for NX needs to be, like, unprecedented. Especially compared to Nintendo's marketing efforts of the past years. Hard to imagine they can pull it off. Currently they just make themselves look weak.
NoA's warchest will be ballooning in the near future, so they'll have the funds for it if they so wish to make a spectacular event.
Given how well they marketed Splatoon, I think they can do it if they so choose to put their minds to it.
Yep, and logically if they think this is a winner they're going to be marketing the hell out of it.
It's not like they have a choice. If they're not going to market the crap out of the system they might as well go third party/full mobile now and save losing the money.
I really like the idea someone suggested of releasing a one-off issue of Nintendo Power in tandem with the NX reveal. Stuff like that paired with an actual conference would do wonders.
Azure Dream
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That would require Nintendo to not be totally tone-deaf when it comes to fan reactions. They may be listening to Japan a little bit, but it hardly seems like they hear the US or Europe at all now.
jhmtehgamr20xx
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Nintendo is not Apple. No one is, really. Apple's probably the only company that can get away with the bare minimum of exposure for their products, even if several competitors offer better products than them.
I can understand and even accept the delay into 2017, but skipping E3 for any NX showing is still a very profoundly stupid idea. It just means one less event for them to show off at, and at this point Nintendo needs all the exposure they can get. It doesn't even mean anything playable per-se; a teaser trailer or some announcements about certain features would suffice.
But nothing? That's backwards.
I think that before taking any high ground you should go check some of your posts from 2011 and 2012, before Nintendo Land was even announced. But we are done here, because it's not the right thread for this. Feel free to call stupid whomever you want, if that's how you fell you will help Nintendo.
What point are you trying to make? I got it myself at launch and I don't regret it, I had tones of fun with it. That doesn't mean that I would have hoped to play a Zelda on it sooner than later. I was only asking him because he had this bullish attitude. And high horses, when he was as well fully in the hype train. He was talking about a HD Zelda in 2011 ffs. We all were expecting that.
Obviously a customer could be conservative and not spend until they are absolutely sure they'll want the product. That's not the attitude I think Nintendo wants people to have towards its products though. I'd imagine they'd want people to see the Nintendo brand and trust it to deliver based on its past record. So if Nintendo is making people feel cheated and pushing people them to be skeptical about their future products, then they're doing something wrong. That the Wii U would have a new Zelda before it is replaced is a very reasonable expectation that was encouraged by Nintendo. They didn't deliver.
They may be that company NOW, but in 1998? They were in the same position as Nintendo, people were turning away from buying their products left and right and coming off a decade of constant decline in interest of their products.
Treating Apple as though they were always permitted to be the exception to the rule is laughable.
Yeah, showing high interest and excitement totally equals putting money down on a product based solely on expectations that haven't materialized into reality. Yep. Totally the same thing. Not a lick of difference there whatsoever. You caught me.
EDIT: And more than that, any lofty expectations I might have had were quite clearly mine and mine alone, and any disappointment I have towards the Wii U I bought as a product are clearly my cross to bear, something I wholly acknowledge as fact. So thanks for proving my point, I guess?
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