...Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. This is not the first time I see you making insane jumps to conclusion like that, though.
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What we know so far about the Nintendo NX with sources 2.0
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...Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. This is not the first time I see you making insane jumps to conclusion like that, though.
You need to stop with this nonsense.
I genuinely think that Emily was refuting all of 10k's hardware rumors, not just the latest ones. She also started trying to downplay power immediately after.
If what Emily was saying is true, it does rule out 14nmFF because GloFo only has one 14nm plant. They could end up going with a Samsung plant, but that's unlikely. As far as it being weak goes, we know Nintendo likes their small, low-power, quiet consoles. PS4 is small, but it's far from quiet. I don't think that Nintendo would want to use laptop fans for that reason, which puts a restriction here, even after factoring out the ODD. PS4 also uses 4-5x as much power as the Wii U, and I don't think Nintendo would go that high. I'm also not sure if Nintendo is the type of company that would be willing to waste silicon with disabled CUs.
It's not a confirmation, but at this point it's extremely unlikely to be a match for PS4 unless all of Emily's sources are incorrect. It not competing with PS4 on a power level was also pretty much the first rumor we heard, and by using a fully unlocked Bonaire-based (14CU) GPU they would be below PS4 without intentionally being weak and just trying to fit within a power budget. That would also make sense with it being 20-25% faster than Xbone, much like the CPU is rumored to be. It all falls into place so well.
Yeah, I thought about that, which is why I didn't give up on 14nm or Polaris right away. I still have some hope, but it's really not looking very good when the pieces are put together.
What she refuted, IIRC, was just that Wii U would "rival / be better" than PS4K. She also specified she was talking about PS4K and not PS4 OG. And she also said the console has "good specs".
I don't think that she specified which part of the rumor she was refuting, and "good specs" is subjective. She doesn't seem to care about graphics much, so anything rivaling current-gen could be "good" to her. I'd love it if she would clarify which part of the rumor she was refuting.
Captain Smoker
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To be honest, even if the NX is "weak" in numbers (I suppose it matches the PS4 anyway), we're currently at a point where this potential "weak" console can produce graphics like this, no matter what the numbers say.
It's not Wii vs. PS3 in terms of visual perception or "visual difference in quality", these times are gone.
What's far more important is the question if it's easy to develop 3rd party games / ports.
It's not Wii vs. PS3 in terms of visual perception or "visual difference in quality", these times are gone.
What's far more important is the question if it's easy to develop 3rd party games / ports.
Yeah, but people love numbers...
NX won't be won or lost in power alone. Nintendo must know this.
I just did some checking: back in the 10k's gigantic thread, she said this
This is the time when the speculation was going insane, with stuff like this
This is what she debunked, the speculation reaching such insane heights in terms of power levels dreams and the GPU. Now, she debunking that kind of GPU doesn't completely close the door to something Polaris-like in the console: maybe a customised one, with lesser costs involved? There was speculation about it in the thread as well. Also, she never debunked what LCGeek said about the CPU.
Moreover, on Twitter, she later specified (I read that tweets) that she just wanted the speculation bringing up comparisons with PS4K in terms of "rivaling / exceeding" to stop. I repeat, she specified her reference to PS4K and not the original, still-on-the market PS4.
P.S. As said several times already, I would be well satisfied with a PS4+ machine, even if slightly, that's not a problem at all
I mean I'd be pretty sure the fab thing is false because really guys, really? But also even if Emily did have any idea were the fab is being done (and her Treehouse sources would not be privy to that info) how on Earth would she know where Xbox fab is being done when we don't even know if it exists?
But that's his shtick
Anyways we shouldn't be mentioning 10k's past speculation. That was a sad piece of time. Also, lets not mention any recent or new stuff in the future. The poor fella is getting played with and wants too much attention for my liking.
Skittzo0413
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Yeah, I was wondering this as well. She would need to know a lot of relatively privileged information from several sources at different companies. Can't say for sure she doesn't know, but it seems like awfully specific and hard to get info.
Captain Smoker
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I know, but I can imagine that people are going to be quite satisfied if they get a glimpse on Nintendos games on =>PS4 hardware (man, even XBO hardware).
As I edited my post above, I think what's far more important is that the system is easy to develop for (but I also have to say that newer / better hardware makes things easier).
Until she has specific info to bring about hardware, I don't put much stock in that side of her rumour talk. That's more reminiscent of her insider beginnings than anything else.
Also I would like to hear Orgen take about what happened with the supposed nx reveal in this timeframe.
Also I would like to hear Orgen take about what happened with the supposed nx reveal in this timeframe.
No. Look, as mentioned by other gaffers, this is what he does. He's one of those gaf-experts. Best to not take him seriously tbh.
The notion of a key feature of Nintendo's new platform relying on cutting edge technology that neither Microsoft or Sony have yet been able to effectively bring to market despite having dropped huge sums of money into it is laughable.
Nintendo typically use proven technology they can deliver in an accessible manner without relying heavily on additional hardware or services (like high quality internet) for basic functionality.
Some kind of streaming offering as an optional service on top of their platform is somewhat feasible, but it will not be a key aspect of the platform. This is obvious for anyone who has a rudimentary understanding of how Nintendo operate.
Nintendo typically use proven technology they can deliver in an accessible manner without relying heavily on additional hardware or services (like high quality internet) for basic functionality.
Some kind of streaming offering as an optional service on top of their platform is somewhat feasible, but it will not be a key aspect of the platform. This is obvious for anyone who has a rudimentary understanding of how Nintendo operate.
Skittzo0413
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Are you referring to the Iwata comments about not wanting competitors to steal their idea for this "new concept"? The new ideas don't necessarily have to use cutting edge technology, just look at the Wii. It was a brand new focus for gaming, used old and proven technology, and Sony and MS did try to "copy" it.
Edit: Oh, or are you referring to the 10k rumor quoted above for some reason? Yeah that's been thoroughly discredited so no one should put any stock into that.
Nobody should put any shock into anything he says to be honest.
Aye, that. I know the source has been thoroughly discredited, my intention was to shut it down and explain why any speculation along these lines is misguided.
Skittzo0413
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Most of what he reported was fairly vague anyway so it's hard to tell if any of it could've been real information. But that specific "gimmick" rumor just screamed fake to me, and I'm honestly surprised so many people believed it could even be possible with current technology. Not to mention it would be ridiculously expensive, not just for the hardware but for the streaming infrastructure and servers.
That said, 10k did specifically tell us all he was doing was posting rumors he was told, so I doubt it was his intention to mislead. That one rumor he "was told" which turned out to be him quoting someone else's tweet was fairly disingenuous though.
Gotcha, yeah that specific rumor is pretty absurd for a number of reasons, so it's best to ignore it from here on out.
Most don't care about actual numbers, they just care about superlatives.
"Which system is the BEST?"
"Which system has the BEST GRAPHICS?"
"Which system has MOST of my friends online?"
Sometimes, it matter which system has "THE BEST GAME." But that's rarer.
I just did some checking: back in the 10k's gigantic thread, she said this
This is the time when the speculation was going insane, with stuff like this
This is what she debunked, the speculation reaching such insane heights in terms of power levels dreams and the GPU. Now, she debunking that kind of GPU doesn't completely close the door to something Polaris-like in the console: maybe a customised one, with lesser costs involved? There was speculation about it in the thread as well. Also, she never debunked what LCGeek said about the CPU.
Moreover, on Twitter, she later specified (I read that tweets) that she just wanted the speculation bringing up comparisons with PS4K in terms of "rivaling / exceeding" to stop. I repeat, she specified her reference to PS4K and not the original, still-on-the market PS4.
P.S. As said several times already, I would be well satisfied with a PS4+ machine, even if slightly, that's not a problem at all
A customized chip is always gonna cost more than a standard one, unless there's something else reducing costs... like using 28nm instead of 14nm.
It doesn't really matter what we're happy with as much as the market. Personally, I think that the only routes that make sense are the high-power route and the low-cost route. Just going on-par with current gen at a similar price won't get it anywhere. A $350 console that's 50% faster than PS4 or better would cause people with interest in Nintendo games to think twice before getting a Neo. A console under $200 could be bought as a secondary console. Where does a $250-300 console fit? That's too much for a second console, and doesn't offer enough to be a primary console for wnyone other than people who were satisfied with Wii U. I think Nintendo is going to need more than just their games to be successful.
Still, I think the best case realistically is a 16CU Polaris at more than 900MHz, but noticeably exceeding PS4 in well-optimized games due to Vulkan. The problem is that Polaris 11 only has a 128-bit memory interface.
Are you talking about 14nm here? Because that's definitely what the Neo is using.
If you mean the gimmick, I never believed that one lol
Agreed. However, my issue with him is as of late. He has said multiple times that he was done tying to find out stuff yet that's all he does. I mean just today he said that he can confirm that FFXV isn't being made for NX right now. I just think he wants a little attention now. But hey that's just me.
Nah, the "gimmick".
14nm is fairly logical given that that's entirely outsourced to AMD, and I even think that's the best explanation for the delay to 2017 when it was obviously otherwise on track for a late 2016 release
That and Undertale should be ready at launch. Get those big hit indie games ready to go. Heck, try to get Stardew Valley on board too.
I imagine Minecraft will hit NX eventually, but surely MS will let them stew for a bit, won't be there for launch imo.
Nintendo better have Game Maker engine support...
Kingpin Rogers
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Is there any reason to believe this guy or is it just assumed he's lying?
https://twitter.com/pgeuder/status/729566892353032192
https://twitter.com/pgeuder/status/729566892353032192
Dunno but someone asked him if he was for real and he responded with "No, I think announcement/reveal."
Well, he works for Mojang and has other devs as followers - so his twitter itself is legit and he could have info/insight.
It's a confusing message though. If I get it right he says nintendo will make an announcement about NX today?
KratosEnergyDrink
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He is a Developer? Perhaps he get a Dev-Kit today.
Wasn't it confirmed we'd get NX info after E3? Even if they just announced a reveal date a month on advance, that'd land square on E3...
See, this makes more sense, but that'd make his "announcement/reveal" tweet all the weirder.
>Mojang
>Minecraft
>DLC announced today.
We just got trolled. Or he was just joking about that one guy who said something happens on May 9th. Either way, it's late in Japan. If there were something, we would know already.
trololololo
Also, a fake reddit leaker posted a fake letter talking about a fake event at the fake end of the fake month of July. Fake.
EDIT: or maybe he's trolling, those comments lol
Pretty sure he doesn't have a devkit.
Yeah i completely forgot about the rumor that said the NX would've been unveiled on may 9th lol. That's what he was referring to.
Meanwhile, Emily Rogers debunked the supposed AMD fuck up with NX and new Xbox One.
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/729571699578970112
I really find this "one-way communication" rather tiresome and irksome. She's tweeting responses to certain posts on gaf, but usually her tweets raise more questions than they answer.
Angry Chair
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It's twitter, it wasn't meant to be used for anything besides posting random thoughts. I'm not saying her posts aren't annoying but it's the best that can be done using the format. Anyway, people shouldn't take everything she says about the NX seriously until she proves she actually knows something about it.
Maybe they will give Mojang an internal NDAd briefing about the NX. So by "we" he means developers at Mojang.
See what I posted above.
On another note:
https://twitter.com/ArcadeGirl64/status/729731767863664641
THEN WHY DON'T YOU JUST SAY WHAT REALITY IS!? Seriously, don't criticize people for not knowing what you do. It makes it seem like you're just saying things in piecemeal to get attention. Just say what you heard, get that out of the way, and then people can focus on games like you want. Being all mysterious about it doesn't help, and saying that 14nm unrealistic just because it's new shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. Looking at Iwata's design philosophy, there are more points for it than against it, though one or two points against it are kinda strong.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Heh. I'm starting to like this girl.
Isn't it better that we have someone to shoot down the nonsense rather than letting speculation run wild?
What if the creator of the controller leak never came out and admitted it? Just imagine how things would be, lol.
Every single NX thread would be a lot worse than they already are.
Jeez. What did she do to you to make you this upset with her? She's letting people know that they should keep their expectations in check - which everyone should. You (not specifically you, i mean the internet at large) don't want to be disappointed because nintendo didn't meet your grandiose unrealistic expectation of them, as I'm sure she's been reading everywhere on the internet. She may not know the specifics but she also knows it's likely not going to be some insane supercomputer like some people might be expecting.
Expect a nintendo system and you won't be let down. Specifics don't matter. The quality of games brought to the system is all that matters in the end. Whether those games are valuable enough for you to buy the system is the core of all of this. Do graphics matter? To some. Do 3rd party matter? To some. Value of the system is all that matters and raw numbers don't mean jack (unless you think good numbers = better games in the future - which isn't a guarantee. Greatness awaits, remember?).
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