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Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles

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NeonZ

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So it doesn't matter that it might have sub par graphics as long as it's cheap. Is that it?

Nintendo's one chance of having consistent and good software output is unifying their console and handheld lines. In order to focus on that, the console doesn't need to be that powerful, just enough for higher resolution versions of the games of their future portable.

Continuing with their usual business model and launching a PS4+ console midway through the generation would never work. People wouldn't throw away their XOnes and PS4s and buy an expensive console for minimally enhanced third party game ports (most which would come months late considering the march launch). It'd also result in Nintendo running into development resource bottlenecks again, since they'd need to prepare soon afterwards the launch line up of a completely separate handheld.
 
Ugh I should really wait awhile before I read this thread again...like 2017. Some of the banter in here putting Rogers' vague approximations on hardware releasing in a year under the microscope will be so fun to read. I just feel like I am on crazy pills right now reading people's expectations prior to these rumors though.

I say it's a $300 console and will look, operate and smell like a $300 console not drastically dissimilar from the $300 consoles on the market early 2017 aside from Nintendo's gimmick. My future self can feel free to mock me.
 

Peterc

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Ok what if the handheld nx would be released in November, is that even realistic? Wouldn't we rather talk about that?

3ds is much older as wiiu. Shouldn't it also be replaced first before the console?
 

KingSnake

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Ok what if the handheld nx would be released in November, is that even realistic? Wouldn't we rather talk about that?

3ds is much older as wiiu. Shouldn't it also be replaced first before the console?

Their forecast regarding 3ds and Wii U for this fiscal year aligns perfectly with the console releasing first (earliest March 2017) and handheld later (probably holiday 2017)
 

bachikarn

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I really think Nintendo's one chance of having consistent and good software output is unifying their console and handheld lines. In order to focus on that, the console doesn't need to be that powerful, just enough for higher resolution versions of the games of their future portable.

Continuing with their usual business model and launching a PS4+ console midway through the generation would never work. People wouldn't throw away their XOnes and PS4s and buy an expensive console for minimally enhanced third party game ports (most which would come months late considering the march launch). It'd also result in Nintendo running into development resource bottlenecks again, since they'd need to prepare soon afterwards the launch line up of a completely separate handheld.

But isn't this basically advocating them getting out of the console space? The console would literally just play handheld games with better IQ? I don't see that situation much different than not making consoles any more.
 

Pancake Mix

Copied someone else's pancake recipe
LCGeek's track record makes me think that the CPU is better than the PS4/XB1 Jaguar.

But it's disappointing if the GPU for an NX@Home or whatever isn't competitive against 2013 hardware for the home console. PS4 came out in 2013 with a Radeon HD 7870 equivalent if it were not for 2 CU's shut off to improve yields.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/171375-reverse-engineered-ps4-apu-reveals-the-consoles-real-cpu-and-gpu-specs

Even that was only mid-range for 2013, but you're telling me Nintendo isn't matching that or perhaps even the lower-end XB1 GPU in 2017?


Emily, you're telling me they want third-parties?
 

Eolz

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He is closer to Blu than Thraktor.

Lol!

Ok what if the handheld nx would be released in November, is that even realistic? Wouldn't we rather talk about that?

3ds is much older as wiiu. Shouldn't it also be replaced first before the console?

November this year?! Unrealistic.
It might be released mere months after the console though.
It would be replaced first if the wiiu wasn't such a failure.
 

NeonZ

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Ok what if the handheld nx would be released in November, is that even realistic? Wouldn't we rather talk about that?

3ds is much older as wiiu. Shouldn't it also be replaced first before the console?

It's not happening though. We know that the "NX" which is "not merely the successor to the handheld 3DS or stationary console Wii U" is coming out next year. There's no surprise launch in November or anything.
 

Stiler

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If this is true I just have to shake my head. Nintendo must REALLY want to stop making consoles because if they are doing yet again another under-performing and hard to develop for platform compared to ps4/xbone then that's exactly where they are heading, right for another Wii U with little/no third party support and most likely some "gimmick" to try and sell the console.

Really really hope this isn't true, I want a good NEW nintendo console that's easy to develop/port for with hardware that can handle NEW games and not ones that have to be held back to run on it.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
LCGeek's track record makes me think that the CPU is better than the PS4/XB1 Jaguar...which isn't hard.

Bit disappointing if the GPU isn't competitive against 2013 hardware for the home console. PS4 came out in 2013 with a Radeon HD 7870 equivalent if it were not for 2 CU's shut off to improve yields.

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/171375-reverse-engineered-ps4-apu-reveals-the-consoles-real-cpu-and-gpu-specs

Even that was only mid-range for 2013, but you're telling me Nintendo isn't matching that or perhaps even the lower-end XB1 GPU in 2017?Emily, you're telling me they want third-parties?

CPU being an ARM better than the CPUs in PS4 and Xbone (a target not too difficult to acheive) and GPU being roughly equally to XBone in raw power could still result in games running more or less at the level of PS4. Depends a lot on the memory and bandwidths of course.
 

Pancake Mix

Copied someone else's pancake recipe
SuperMetalDave64/Trev already called her out twice:

Nintendo NX "insiders" wasting your time

Nintendo NX Not Polaris and Low Specs?


The first video caused one of the main rumor folks to have a total meltdown on twitter, which was pretty funny.

I think Trev's probably a little too hung up the console having to be AMD, but he makes pretty good points, as usual.

If it was Liam, a mod using modbot said to stop posting his unreliable rumours. Shouldn't consider him one of the main rumour folks.
 

tkscz

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Shits hitting the fan again. I think I'm done listening to rumors and am just going to wait until the system comes out. Until then, everyone is wrong in my book.
 

Ansatz

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But isn't this basically advocating them getting out of the console space? The console would literally just play handheld games with better IQ? I don't see that situation much different than not making consoles any more.

That's a valid interpretation, but technically the TV experience will be available for those who prefer it and that's the most important part for us as consumers.

Of course this might mean the software direction will change, for example if they go the handheld-centric route then the Zelda after this one would in that scenario likely not be open world, so you'd be perhaps playing a top-down Zelda on the console and I'm aware this would frustrate alot of fans, I personally don't mind that.
 
That's a valid interpretation, but technically the TV experience will be available for those who prefer it and that's the most important part for us as consumers.

Of course this might mean the software direction will change, for example if they go the handheld-centric route then the Zelda after this one would in that scenario likely not be open world, so you'd be perhaps playing a top-down Zelda on the console and I'm aware this would frustrate alot of fans, I personally don't mind that.

Nope. 2D Zelda, 3D Zelda. 2d Mario, 3D Mario. Teams that are making these games no longer need to make multiple iterations of these for different hardware
 

ozfunghi

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Most of his spec stuff is speculation that Blu / Thraktor can 4 teraflops better.

If Blue is a 7 and Thraktor is a 9 then Trev is a 3.

10k is -5

I think you will find that Thraktor only outperforms Blu in few limited instances. In most benchmarks, Blu is king.

Anyway, about that wording, i have to agree that if she says "closer to x than to y" you automatically imagine something in between. In any other case, you would phrase it differently.
 
Speculation time.

The NX is just a box that houses the TegraK1 (not exactly shaped as a box, but I mean conceptually), in which you can place either a console case, with additional cool solutions and hardware (Like HDD) and then a handheld case (a 5 inch screen with sticks and buttons, etc...).

On the console case the TegraK1 uses all potential while on the handheld case is downclocked to reduce heat and battery consumption.

You can play the same games, on the console case they work at 1080p and in the handheld case at 540p.

200€/$ for the TegraK1 box + console/handheld case, then each case is sold separetly.
 

NeonZ

Member
But isn't this basically advocating them getting out of the console space? The console would literally just play handheld games with better IQ? I don't see that situation much different than not making consoles any more.

In a way that true, but I think as long as they can add basic features expected out of a console, like support for multiple controllers and local multiplayer in a single unit, it'll be more than a glorified Super Gameboy.

That's a valid interpretation, but technically the TV experience will be available for those who prefer it and that's the most important part for us as consumers.

Of course this might mean the software direction will change, for example if they go the handheld-centric route then the Zelda after this one would in that scenario likely not be open world, so you'd be perhaps playing a top-down Zelda on the console and I'm aware this would frustrate alot of fans, I personally don't mind that.

I don't think that's necessarily true. The 3ds handled Majora's Mask and OoT remakes just fine, which are 3d Zelda. The next portable will certainly be stronger than the 3ds too, so you'd just get both styles in the platform.
 

Mory Dunz

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Nope. 2D Zelda, 3D Zelda. 2d Mario, 3D Mario. Teams that are making these games no longer need to make multiple iterations of these for different hardware

I feel like that'd be losing money though...right? Especially for those specific titles

Mario Kart 7 has sold over 13m. MK8 has sold over 7m iirc
Smash 3ds has sold over 8m. Smash Wii U over 5m.
3D Mario, etc. 2D Mario.

If only one game came out, as in, if only MK8 existed, wouldn't that be losing sales?

I think, two iterations of games will still exist. However, because of the unified architecture, making a new game will take a lot less time. i.e. Making 3D Land and then 3D World would take a fraction of the time/resources. But they're not going to straight take away 3D Land.

but I dunno. It just seems weird to me to drop sure sales like that. It may seem greedy, but don't they as a business want people buying both 3D Land and World, and Karts, etc?
 

ultrazilla

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So we went from more powerful than the PS4 to barely an Xbox One in performance.

Nintendo is working everyone good keeping them far away from the real deal.

The "sources" leaking things to Rogers are probably part of Nintendo's effort to keep things you know.....secret.

No developer in their right mind is going to break NDA and their relationship with Nintendo.

All we have are opinions. Mine happens to be that I think NX will end up somewhere in the power level area of a PS4 with a surprisingly powerful handheld complimenting it.
 
Trev and Emily have lost their ways. I wished I could get inside info to show them how it's done. Sometimes I wonder how much of the "publicity" gets to their heads since they know all eyes are on them for info. They think they know everything, but they don't.

All these damn Youtuber like Obe1 and PlayerEssence think they know it all. "Omg NX will be super powerful". All they do is set themselves up for disappointment and then they'll blame Nintendo for not giving them their concocted speculated rumors they've got boiling in their brains. I forgot Ghost Robo is another one. He was making videos how NX will be so powerful and have haptic feedback controllers when those fake controller leaks came out.

Every new "rumor" is constantly changing "power levels" or contradicting past rumors...it's so annoying man.
 

Proelite

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Speculation time.

The NX is just a box that houses the TegraK1 (not exactly shaped as a box, but I mean conceptually), in which you can place either a console case, with additional cool solutions and hardware (Like HDD) and then a handheld case (a 5 inch screen with sticks and buttons, etc...).

On the console case the TegraK1 uses all potential while on the handheld case is downclocked to reduce heat and battery consumption.

You can play the same games, on the console case they work at 1080p and in the handheld case at 540p.

200€/$ for the TegraK1 box + console/handheld case, then each case is sold separetly.

Y not X1 instead of K1?
 

Eolz

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Speculation time.

The NX is just a box that houses the TegraK1 (not exactly shaped as a box, but I mean conceptually), in which you can place either a console case, with additional cool solutions and hardware (Like HDD) and then a handheld case (a 5 inch screen with sticks and buttons, etc...).

On the console case the TegraK1 uses all potential while on the handheld case is downclocked to reduce heat and battery consumption.

You can play the same games, on the console case they work at 1080p and in the handheld case at 540p.

200€/$ for the TegraK1 box + console/handheld case, then each case is sold separetly.

No.

Seriously, why do the hybrid or topset "ideas" keep coming back when it has been debunked time and time again?
 
Trev and Emily have lost their ways. I wished I could get inside info to show them how it's done. Sometimes I wonder how much of the "publicity" gets to their heads since they know all eyes are on them for info. They think they know everything, but they don't.

I'm not sure how exactly I would describe it, but things are definitely weird and different this time on the rumor-front
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
I feel like that'd be losing money though...right? Especially for those specific titles

Mario Kart 7 has sold over 13m. MK8 has sold over 7m iirc
Smash 3ds has sold over 8m. Smash Wii U over 5m.
3D Mario, etc. 2D Mario.

If only one game came out, as in, if only MK8 existed, wouldn't that be losing sales?

I think, two iterations of games will still exist. However, because of the unified architecture, making a new game will take a lot less time. i.e. Making 3D Land and then 3D World would take a fraction of the time/resources. But they're not going to straight take away 3D Land.

but I dunno. It just seems weird to me to drop sure sales like that. It may seem greedy, but don't they as a business want people buying both 3D Land and World, and Karts, etc?

They could have MK9 and MK10 both out on NX with the saved development time and each selling 13 mio.
 

Vanillalite

Ask me about the GAF Notebook
No.

Seriously, why do the hybrid or topset "ideas" keep coming back when it has been debunked time and time again?

Nothing has been officially debunked.

Even the insider stuff isn't official.

Nothing has been officially said so everything is still on the table even with the little bit they have said about the NX.
 
I feel like that'd be losing money though...right? Especially for those specific titles

Mario Kart 7 has sold over 13m. MK8 has sold over 7m iirc
Smash 3ds has sold over 8m. Smash Wii U over 5m.
3D Mario, etc. 2D Mario.

If only one game came out, as in, if only MK8 existed, wouldn't that be losing sales?

I think, two iterations of games will still exist. However, because of the unified architecture, making a new game will take a lot less time. i.e. Making 3D Land and then 3D World would take a fraction of the time/resources. But they're not going to straight take away 3D Land.

but I dunno. It just seems weird to me to drop sure sales like that. It may seem greedy, but don't they as a business want people buying both 3D Land and World, and Karts, etc?

A lot of these games are going to be more game as a service so they will receive continued support (some of their recently released titles are already leaning this way). The other side of the coin? Wouldn't you like to see what else EPD Tokyo can make when they're done with the Mario game they're working on now? More software being made, more chance to sell stuff
 

NeonZ

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but I dunno. It just seems weird to me to drop sure sales like that. It may seem greedy, but don't they as a business want people buying both 3D Land and World, and Karts, etc?

We got a Mario Galaxy and Galaxy 2 in the same console. The Nintendo 64 has two Zelda games. We probably just would see more sequels like that, alongside DLC packs sold at retail, like Luigi U, which would have access to a higher userbase in this case.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
So we went from more powerful than the PS4 to barely an Xbox One in performance.

Nintendo is working everyone good keeping them far away from the real deal.

The "sources" leaking things to Rogers are probably part of Nintendo's effort to keep things you know.....secret.

No developer in their right mind is going to break NDA and their relationship with Nintendo.

All we have are opinions. Mine happens to be that I think NX will end up somewhere in the power level area of a PS4 with a surprisingly powerful handheld complimenting it.

Tin_foil_hat_2.jpg
 

Malus

Member
I feel like that'd be losing money though...right? Especially for those specific titles

Mario Kart 7 has sold over 13m. MK8 has sold over 7m iirc
Smash 3ds has sold over 8m. Smash Wii U over 5m.
3D Mario, etc. 2D Mario.

If only one game came out, as in, if only MK8 existed, wouldn't that be losing sales?

I think, two iterations of games will still exist. However, because of the unified architecture, making a new game will take a lot less time. i.e. Making 3D Land and then 3D World would take a fraction of the time/resources. But they're not going to straight take away 3D Land.

but I dunno. It just seems weird to me to drop sure sales like that. It may seem greedy, but don't they as a business want people buying both 3D Land and World, and Karts, etc?

Or they could make a different game instead of MK7 and add some much needed diversification to their library.
 
I'm not sure how exactly I would describe it, but things are definitely weird and different this time on the rumor-front
Yeah, it's getting weird. Some of them are so deadset on thinking they know what the NX "is" because of "rumors" or even how it "should be" (even though they're contradicting each other). It makes them fight against each other. We should know by now Nintendo will do whatever they want and we won't know until they unveil it.
 

AmyS

Member
Speculation time.

The NX is just a box that houses the TegraK1 (not exactly shaped as a box, but I mean conceptually), in which you can place either a console case, with additional cool solutions and hardware (Like HDD) and then a handheld case (a 5 inch screen with sticks and buttons, etc...).

On the console case the TegraK1 uses all potential while on the handheld case is downclocked to reduce heat and battery consumption.

You can play the same games, on the console case they work at 1080p and in the handheld case at 540p.

200€/$ for the TegraK1 box + console/handheld case, then each case is sold separetly.

Just No.

Tegra K1 (Kepler architectre) is way too old for something coming out in 2017.

If NX uses Tegra, it'll be Maxwell architecture (like Tegra X1) or the newer,Pascal architecture, the next generation Tegra (codename Parker).

Also, NX almost definitely is not a hybrid single device.
 

Mory Dunz

Member
They could have MK9 and MK10 both out on NX with the saved development time and each selling 13 mio.
True, but then would the handheld ever get "handheld" centric games? Or would it just be playing lower res versions of the console games. Like, if one version is being made, would it get games tailored to the handheld? That's something to consider I feel. Would it get a ALBW or would it just be able to play Zelda NX and Zelda NX 2, and not get it's "own" Zelda.


orrrr...would the handheld's increase in power be enough so that it doesn't matter?

A lot of these games are going to be more game as a service so they will receive continued support (some of their recently released titles are already leaning this way). The other side of the coin? Wouldn't you like to see what else EPD Tokyo can make when they're done with the Mario game they're working on now? More software being made, more chance to sell stuff
oh yeah, personally it'd be cool since I don't game on handheld's much. So having a new game instead of a NSMB2 would be cool. But I was just talking from a business sense.

We got a Mario Galaxy and Galaxy 2 in the same console. The Nintendo 64 has two Zelda games. We probably just would see more sequels like that, alongside DLC packs sold at retail, like Luigi U, which would have access to a higher userbase in this case.

Yeah, that'd be cool. I'm still just thinking about what I said above. If there's only one version, does the handheld ever get handheld centric games? Or just play lower res/graphic versions of the console games. And is it strong enough so that playing those compromised versions isn't that bad?
 

KingBroly

Banned
You're mixing up the handheld and console talk. This seems to be happening a lot.

No, I'm not. If the plan is 'all of our games can be played anywhere, you decide where' Nintendo is going to target the lower-end specs and not really bother with the higher end. You know why? Because it's cheaper for them. So if the handheld screen is 540p, their games will go from being 720p upscaled on a TV to being 540p upscaled on a TV.

See the problem?
 
True, but then would the handheld ever get "handheld" centric games? Or would it just be playing lower res versions of the console games. Like, if one version is being made, would it get games tailored to the handheld? That's something to consider I feel. Would it get a ALBW or would it just be able to play Zelda NX and Zelda NX 2, and not get it's "own" Zelda.


orrrr...would the handheld's increase in power be enough so that it doesn't matter?


oh yeah, personally it'd be cool since I don't game on handheld's much. So having a new game instead of a NSMB2 would be cool. But I was just talking from a business sense.



Yeah, that'd be cool. I'm still just thinking about what I said above. If there's only one version, does the handheld ever get handheld centric games? Or just play lower res/graphic versions of the console games. And is it strong enough so that playing those compromised versions isn't that bad?

I think part of the idea is that if, hypothetically, they had to make fewer games in their major series, that means they can dedicate more time to new projects or niche/smaller things, creating more overall output in the long-term and potentially making up for lost sales of a second Mario Kart or what have you.
 
Just No.

Tegra K1 (Kepler architectre) is way too old for something coming out in 2017.

If NX uses Tegra, it'll be Maxwell architecture (like Tegra X1) or the newer,Pascal architecture, the next generation Tegra (codename Parker).

Well change the K1 for the X1.
 

Mory Dunz

Member
I think part of the idea is that if, hypothetically, they had to make fewer games in their major series, that means they can dedicate more time to new projects or niche/smaller things, creating more overall output in the long-term and potentially making up for lost sales of a second Mario Kart or what have you.

Yup, but in order to make up for that 13mil, they'd need more Splatoons and less W101s lol...

it'll be interesting
 
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