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DF Valkyria Chronicles PS4 vs PS3 vs PC
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CertifiedFP
Member
Or we can keep the Valhalla Knights series buried and never speak of it again.
As for a new game in the series, one was announced back in November for Winter 2016 release.
That's what AA is yes, plus playing at 4k with any AA will look much sharper than PS4 at 1080p.
The passive aggressiveness in your emoticons haha.
GhostTrick
Banned
That's a bit of a silly statement, given that it takes all of 2 seconds to force 16xAF on everything on PC.
Here's what the PC version looked like for me:
Also, it's the only version which allows you to use my high-res vectorized icon mod:
This and the higher res cutscenes models. As I said, DF seems to have overlooked some aspects in their analysis.
texhnolyze
Banned
While true, the 'force 16x AF through driver' argument is kinda flawed imho.
I mean, out of the hundreds and thousands of VC owners on Steam, how many of them who actually do that? Is the little trick well-known to the average joe? I believe this DF face off is targeted to those majority of gamers. Because after spending like 30 hours in VC, I've never actually did it either.
I mean, out of the hundreds and thousands of VC owners on Steam, how many of them who actually do that? Is the little trick well-known to the average joe? I believe this DF face off is targeted to those majority of gamers. Because after spending like 30 hours in VC, I've never actually did it either.
Dictator93
Member
That's a bit of a silly statement, given that it takes all of 2 seconds to force 16xAF on everything on PC.
Here's what the PC version looked like for me:
Also, it's the only version which allows you to use my high-res vectorized icon mod:
Proper UI element rescaling and cutscene models are a pretty big deal beyond all the other niceities of the things Durante did with the port. I mean... I have 52 hours in that game primarily due to wor dof mouth surrounding it and it getting the D. seal of approval
Necromanti
Member
The option is at least there, though, since a PC isn't a console that is locked into certain settings. Would the person who wouldn't bother doing something so simple even care about the comparisons presented in the article?
the kind of people who watch these performance comparison videos would be up to the task i bet.
this "trick" is as easy as going into a games options and changing settings.
texhnolyze
Banned
What if people have no idea that the problem is actually exist?
I mean, people who just buy the game, download, and play without reading about the tinkering and stuff. This article is the easiest method for those kind of people in deciding which version to buy.
I'm quite confident to say that I'm not new to PC gaming and I modded my games a lot. But I had no idea that VC's AF is set to low by default, and you have to force it through gpu driver to fix it. The option is not there, except if there's the option to set AF to x16 in launcher or in-game graphic settings. It's been a while and I don't remember.
Brad Grenz
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if it was an artistic choice to leave it out. Shiny reflections don't actually fit the canvas aesthetic very well.
How so, they should always use the base PC game for these face offs or it would be a never ending article.
martino
Member
Why not only consider autodetec or default config then ?
I have hard times to t understand why we have to avoid possible things because they are a lot of people who don't care when we speak of thread/article that surely are not written for people who not care ?
And for them why not consider the best each can offer ? it seems more logic.
When argument come down to uninterested people or comparison fairness or others unrelated restrictions and scoping the objective can't be to speak about tech each platform can bring into thoses games.
But if it makes you happy ps4 is the best version if x,y,z,...* is not considered in the
equation.
read previous post to find the list in the current situation.
Dictator93
Member
Does the base PC game run @ 4K? 8K? 30 hz, 144hz?
Having a wide variety of set ups and thus embracing and representing how the PC version scales IMO belongs to what is considered teh PC versions... all the way to extremely simple mods which make the game that much better.
Why not both?
GhostTrick
Banned
Again with the PC users thing... Can't we have a civilized discussion without console war bullshit ?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Wow PS4 version is better than PC? Nice.
Caayn
Member
PS4 version is better than the vanilla PC version. Mods and driver level adjustments turn the tides.
GhostTrick
Banned
Even then, this isn't true at all levels. Water reflection are missing in the PS4 version. Basically it all comes down to blurrier AA which is fixed by downsampling and AF which is fixed at driver level.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Well thats obvious as that is the point with user mods.
GhostTrick
Banned
Then again, this isn't about mods. This is about driver level and resolution. That and the reflections.
Caayn
Member
Point taken.
Base game on PS4 doesn't have reflections and doesn't use AF neither mipmaps creating a lot of shimmering in distance textures. You can't fix those problems. In PC, mipmaps are used so you can force x16 AF, use better AA, better resolution, better textures, better map icons, .... and "Gallian Crossfire" rebalance mod to improve the gameplay.
But whatever.
GhostTrick
Banned
No, he has a point though with mods not being relevant to the discussion. I mean at this point we could also bring on Reshade too. But your point is still fair about resolution being higher so a cleaner IQ even on modest machines, higher framerates, 16xAA at driver level and reflections.
Now, on a more general view, yes, mods for the game brings it to a whole new level.
Yes, its impossible obviously....
If DF are taking the official game as it is when you boot it up as the comparisons between the ports, it makes sense for you guys to omit unofficial mods, even though its obviously an option for users.
I think it would be obvious that that kind of support would elevate the PC version beyond a console version by default..but i also wonder why the article brought up 4k downsampling if it was just a vanilla look at the porting job
Why when the res they are comparing is 1080, we all know PC can go upto almost any res you want and you can mod the game to bits there needs to be a base line in these face offs or what's the point.
GhostTrick
Banned
Then what's the point with comparing with the 720p PS3 release ?
Downsampling is a form of AA. That's comparing the game AA solution and the PC others AA solutions.
Would imagine it is a like-for-like out of the box (bought on PSN vs bought on Steam) comparison DF are doing.
What % of PC Gamers would apply driver level fixes and mods?
Would only be the hardcore. Didn't the Steam survey say the majority are still running below 1080p?
GhostTrick
Banned
They didn't overlook anything DF doesn't review mods they review a game as it is presented vanilla. They have always done it that way because including mods would be a pain for the reviewers.
Why is everyone so impressed about adding some AA/AF/LOD? If people can do this with driver tweaks, I can't imagine it taking much effort from the folks at SEGA.
Could be wrong, but the praise for the port seems to be OTT. That said, the game didn't need that much/any work done to it to begin with, so I kinda get it.
Ok. They're talking about the base game though.
GhostTrick
Banned
I didn't said they overlooked things because of not reviewing or taking mods into account. I said they overlooked things like reflections on water for exemple (which is the base game) or the texture filtering comparison at driver level, to see how the game behave on that matter.
Lanrutcon
Member
Which is fair.
In a world without driver tweaks and mods, the PS4 has the best version. I feel like I'm stating the super obvious.
The water reflection is a bit strange to overlook but otherwise I thought their whole prelude was about how they only use the options provided in the game. Or am I thinking about a different group?
Edit: Should add I agree with you pc is the way to go if you have a half decent machine just defending DF for not using mods or in tweaks in a review.
It's generally a strange position to ignore reality due to the ignorance argument.
stop embarrassing yourself
GhostTrick
Banned
I agree though. Mods shouldn't be in. As for tweaks, it depends of what you call tweaks. Ini modifications, sure. Driver level options ? Not sure about that.
Ad hominem again ?
PC will always have the best version as long as mods and enchancement tools exist, there's no doubt about that
Assuming 1080p & the water reflection thing being a bug, you're right.
Honestly though, I could play this on PS3 and still be super happy. It's a very good (albeit flawed) game.
lol it is always a minefield. one post can cause 2 pages worth of shitposting
You're the one doing the shitposting. The fact everyone is calling you embarrassing and not the other guy should tell you something.