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PoliGAF 2016 |OT6| Delete your accounts

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Bowdz

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Crab said:
Okay, I can agree with that on both accounts. I think that a lot of the hate tossed Clinton's way is gendered, but that too many posters on PoliGAF write *all* criticism off as gendered and ignore the close to empirically true statement that in many respects Clinton is a subpar candidate. I think that Clinton's campaign has been... competent, in the sense that it generally followed the pre-established formula for electoral success with remarkable persistence, but has been a long way from good due to being so by-the-numbers and failing to spot how disillusioned people are with by-the-numbers politics. So I don't think we're too far away from one another at this point.
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Her campaign has definitely spotted the tenor of the country. It's just that (as Y2Kev just pointed out) any time she shifts a position towards the prevailing tenor of the country, she's called out for being disingenuous or phony. It's impossible to outrun your past, especially when you've been a prolific political figure for 25 years.

It's also worth pointing out that her campaign has helped Clinton win despite her drawbacks. It was Mook and the campaign that almost singlehandedly won NV, the campaign that ran up the margins in SC, and the campaign that helped take Ohio. They have performed brilliantly given the immense amount of baggage Clinton brings.
 
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royalan

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Only "Competent" compared to what? The best campaigns ever run? Sure, Hillary's not doing anything new in that regard.

But compared to her competition? On both sides? "Competent" is one hell of a compliment. lol

Crab said:
Okay, I can agree with that on both accounts. I think that a lot of the hate tossed Clinton's way is gendered, but that too many posters on PoliGAF write *all* criticism off as gendered and ignore the close to empirically true statement that in many respects Clinton is a subpar candidate. I think that Clinton's campaign has been... competent, in the sense that it generally followed the pre-established formula for electoral success with remarkable persistence, but has been a long way from good due to being so by-the-numbers and failing to spot how disillusioned people are with by-the-numbers politics. So I don't think we're too far away from one another at this point.
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I think HillaryGAF is more than willing to discuss the flaws Hillary has as a candidate. It happens all the time in here. Emphasis on in here. I know I've said more than once that Hillary seems to have a hard time defining herself, which does nothing to help perceptions of her being bland and robotic. Just off the top of my head. She's not a perfect candidate by any means. Hell, she'd say that about herself.

But legit critique of Hillary rarely happens in OT. Lately most Hillary threads end up being run-offs of Reddit conspiracy theories, long-since debunked misinformation, and vaguely gendered attacks until HillaryGAF goes charging in, the thread gets locked, or both.
 
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studyguy

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Holmes said:
Jane slipped up to the press the other day and said Sanders is returning to the Senate on the 8th. When they followed up, she said "noo....."
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The man already had his paperwork filled out to return to IND status instead of Dem last year if this whole President shtick didn't work out, no? I mean this shouldn't be a surprise.
 
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I am more and more convinced that Bernie doesn't suspend his campaign come June 7th.
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He won't suspend his campaign until the convention. He'll argue that superdelegates shouldn't be counted until they actually vote, and will make a public display of trying to persuade them, to force Clinton to have to acknowledge his views a little longer. The only way he suspends on June 7th is if he and Clinton have worked at some behinds-the-scenes concessions he is satisfied he can't improve on.
 
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royalan said:
Only "Competent" compared to what? The best campaigns ever run? Sure, Hillary's not doing anything new in that regard.

But compared to her competition? On both sides? "Competent" is one hell of a compliment. lol



I think HillaryGAF is more than willing to discuss the flaws Hillary has as a candidate. It happens all the time in here. Emphasis on in here. I know I've said more than once that Hillary seems to have a hard time defining herself, which does nothing to help perceptions of her being bland and robotic. Just off the top of my head. She's not a perfect candidate by any means. Hell, she'd say that about herself.

But legit critique of Hillary rarely happens in OT. Lately most Hillary threads end up being run-offs of Reddit conspiracy theories, long-since debunked misinformation, and vaguely gendered attacks until HillaryGAF goes charging in, the thread gets locked, or both.
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with a bunch of persecution complex, deflection, iron defense and thin skin. Trying to correct the mis-information is hard when its met with a supposed "attack" on the user or Sanders. The fall out is usually a threat of sitting out, voting Trump or third party if we continue being mean or "attacking"
 
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Trump is PC, surely? The master PC race fits with his rhetoric quite neatly.
 
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Crayons said:
Hillary eats black babies for lunch (with the hot sauce she has stashed in her purse) and sends their parents to for profit prisons
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Hillary will only eat the black babies who are super predators. You know, the ones with no conscience, no empathy, who rove in gangs.
 
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Crab said:
He won't suspend his campaign until the convention. He'll argue that superdelegates shouldn't be counted until they actually vote, and will make a public display of trying to persuade them, to force Clinton to have to acknowledge his views a little longer. The only way he suspends on June 7th is if he and Clinton have worked at some behinds-the-scenes concessions he is satisfied he can't improve on.
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Aye, pretty much. He's gone on record saying there's no one in the DNC pressuring him to drop out, so in any scenario he's just gonna roll through unabated. Oddly enough my girlfriend was watching that new Chelsea show on Netflix and Barbara Boxer was on there discussing the fallout of the NV convention and when asked if she thought Sanders should drop, she seemed adamant about him staying in and seemed on the whole super cordial with the Sanders campaign and kept hammering that only a small fringe of his supporters were the wild ones.

Then DJ Khaled showed up and was giving economic advice regarding 401ks and other investments while spouting off memes from his snapchat, that show's fucking weird.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Man, I don't know.

Victor Vizcarra, 48, of Los Angeles, said he would much prefer Mr. Trump to Mrs. Clinton. Though he said he disagreed with some of Mr. Trump’s policies, Mr. Vizcarra said he had watched “The Apprentice” and expected that a Trump presidency would be more exciting than a “boring” Clinton administration.

“A dark side of me wants to see what happens if Trump is in,” said Mr. Vizcarra, who works in information technology. “There is going to be some kind of change, and even if it’s like a Nazi-type change. People are so drama-filled. They want to see stuff like that happen. It’s like reality TV. You don’t want to just see everybody be happy with each other. You want to see someone fighting somebody.”
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Not sure if putting Muslims in camps would be that exciting?

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/28/us/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-fbi.html
 
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Iolo

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This is getting out of control. Bernie needs to SHUT THIS SHIT DOWN. If he cant, he should drop out. No two ways.
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You're basically hearing from the craziest of crazies (it even says "die-hard supporters hoping for an FBI indictment"). You can't blame Bernie for that unless he fails to support Hillary after her nomination and drags normal people away from her.
 
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Iolo said:
You're basically hearing from the craziest of crazies (it even says "die-hard supporters hoping for an FBI indictment"). You can't blame Bernie for that unless he fails to support Hillary after her nomination and drags normal people away from her.
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I just see a complete hands off approach from Bernie. Like he never says anything about the bad behavior from his supporters.
 
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Iolo

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I just see a complete hands off approach from Bernie. Like he never says anything about the bad behavior from his supporters.
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Just 11 more days, man.

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Gabriel Debenedetti ‏@gdebenedetti 4h4 hours ago
In OH, GOP has 25 field staffers, Democrats at 70. FL: 30 to 80. AZ? 1 to 67. Story w @politicoalex, @PoliticoKevin:
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The chairman of the RNC is doing a great job --- Bernie Sanders
 
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