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[Mael]

12 pages of shameless port begging. Shows how amazing Sony's E3 conference was.

pfft, a 50ppp peasant at the top of the page.

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It's ok, I am too

This subject makes so little sense it's not even funny.
Why would a platform holder incentivize going to other platforms?
If Sony had a platform on PC it would make sense for them to release their software there.
It's notable also that they're releasing software on android (and I assume ios) but that's not software per se and more advertising for their brand (they're basically skins of popular mobile games anyway).
Is there a market to release Killzone 3 on PC today on a platform Sony is forced to pay royalties?
On top of that PC as a platform requires support to the level that they do not have to care meaning that the cost would certainly be higher anyway.
And worse still you're now training your customer to wait for the best version of your product on the platform you profit the least and with the highest upkeep cost.
And for multiplayer games it could fracture the player base on top of that.
I only see downside for the publisher.
I can see them doing that if they were a charity or something.

 

[Crayon]

Weird. I remember when the general consensus with Sony fans were that console exclusives (meaning it was available on PC) is good as any exclusive because hey, separate audiences and such.

I guess now that there's more than a couple critically acclaimed PS4 exclusives fanboys didn't need to lean on "console exclusives" and changed their tune.

 

[Skittles]

The thirst for bloodborne is real, even after all these years

 

[Alucrid]

3-4 years is ridiculous. 3.5-4.5 years makes way more sense

 

[Mael]

The thirst for bloodborne is real, even after all these years

Clearly people want Killzone and Knack.

 

[MogCakes]

Does it eliminate the strengths of the console platform entirely? Does God of War being on PC make PCs cheaper, or more convenient, or better in the living room? The number of people that would suddenly drop console hardware for PCs seems to be vastly overstated. Steam machines didn't even break 500k sold, did they? The suggestion that PC cannibalizes console sales on a large scale seems sketchy.

It eliminates the argument often touted that PS4 has exclusives PC will never get, used as ammunition to fuel a platform war. It's amusing that, simultaneously, PC is said to not be a direct competitor to consoles, which Sony themselves have now made null by acknowledging PC as a competitor platform.

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

12 pages of shameless port begging. Shows how amazing Sony's E3 conference was.

*edit multiple topics about PS4 exclusives coming to PC when there is zero percent of it happening.

Sony's E3 this year wasn't anything that special, especially compared to last year.
Of the games I saw the only one that caught my eye was Detroit and that's about it. I may buy a second hand ps4 eventually to play that and until dawn. Why make fun of people who want a game to come to their platform? it sucks having to get a console,that will mostly collect dust,just for 3-4 games.

 

[Fraxin]

PC gamers don't give a shit about PC exclusives, because they're not fighting in some "exclusives war", this is a thing only for console fanboys who want justify their console purchase. Actually, every normal gamer don't give a shit if game he love exclusive or not.

Yeah they're just beggars.

 

[Doctor Ironic]

People in this thread are being inane about the definition of "port begging."

Port begging was banned on NeoGAF because it actively stifles discussion. Imagine if the first three pages of the Rise of the Tomb Raider OT was nothing but "man, game looks fun, TOO BAD I CAN'T PLAY IT." Fucking irritating, right? Nobody can actually discuss the game because it's instead just a bunch of people expressing desire for the game instead of discussing what's already in it. But now we're in a thread that's about the act of porting, and those rules don't really apply. Now if you don't want to see discussion about ports and how much you want them, you don't have to click on the discussion about ports.

Instead people like StrongBlackVine are, in the ultimate irony, using the rule about port begging to stifle discussion. Wowie zowie!

The challenge is to imagine video games without capitalism. Would it be great if all gamers could play whatever games they wanted to? You wouldn't find anyone who says "no" to this answer unless they're actively invested in the success of a platform. The OP didn't factor economics into their argument, which I pointed out, but said would be nice if that were the case, but then crazy people pretended that wasn't the case and then concluded it was a bad idea anyways because ?????

 

[JordanN]

Ironically, this gen Sony cares more about exclusives than ever. They want people to know the games aren't going anywhere.

Get use to it.

 

[Audioboxer]

The only thing Sony should do is whatever keeps the PS division afloat and making money if you and I and everyone else wants to enjoy titles that come out of their 1st party devs. The devs they either take time to help, grow and develop from scratch, or those they offer cash funding to own where money may have been an issue for the studio.

It would be great if every title was platform neutral, but let's not try to eat the whole cake and want nice things as well by ignoring how divisions like PS can get to the size they are and justify the millions upon millions of investment needed.

Some steps have been made to bring some content they get PS4 exclusive to PC as well. Mostly indie stuff, but as of late Street Fighter and Kojima's new game. Sony and Playstation have no hardware money maker on the PC side, nor do they have an OS like Windows to justify wanting to invest big into PC gaming and try to make money on the side through software/storefront.

So I'll say again to finish, it's great to want to play Sony games. If you want them to exist for the most part you're going to have to continue to play ball with the current system that allows Kaz, Shu and Co to blow through millions of dollars to make and sell the games.

Timed exclusivity is the dick in the corner of the room. A dick move which is usually a mere cockblock for gamers for a title otherwise ready to go day 1 across all the platforms it ultimately ends up on. That is where business needs some class and should learn to grow a pair and go off and invest in their own IP and talent rather than giving someone some fat cash for no reason other than begging for mercy to have some "exclusivity" beyond the realms of the usual side mission or skins. Occasionally it might be true some titles in development hell end up benefiting from cash, and some sort of trade off may be needed. Such as timed exclusivity, rather than the cash stumped up being enough to outright own. Usually though it's some AAA game that has been developed fine and would be good to go day 1 across multiple platforms. Hence, a dick move.

 

[SolidSnakex]

The challenge is to imagine video games without capitalism. Would it be great if all gamers could play whatever games they wanted to? You wouldn't find anyone who says "no" to this answer unless they're actively invested in the success of a platform. The OP didn't factor economics into their argument, which I pointed out, but said would be nice if that were the case, but then crazy people pretended that wasn't the case and then concluded it was a bad idea anyways because ?????

But the reality is that's not what's being asked here. That's never what's being asked in threads like this. Otherwise the thread title would be "Should Sony Release PS4 Exclusives on NX/Xbox/PC/Mac 3 to 4 Years After Release?". See, that would actually be about allowing everyone to play the games. But again, that's not what these threads are ever about. These threads are specifically about PC gamers wanting every single game under the sun on their platform. Pro-consumer and "preservation" are just bullshit arguments brought up to try to make it seem like it's something bigger than that.

 

[TSM]

I think the big problem is that everyone let Steam get so big that having your own PC storefront basically means exclusively selling your own content. Now that consoles are essentially cut down x86 PCs the obvious move should have been to also have a platform storefront on PC. The only way it would make sense is if Sony uses the platform to push it's movies and music as well.

 

[blastprocessor]

I remember playing Sony games on PC such as Wipeout and G-Police. I don't think it's a bad idea releasing them years later.

 

[Fraxin]

I think people would get what they want in PS Now. I think Sony is building it for the future of their games. Something like Netflix. I thought people used to say Cloud gaming might be the future. If so, then no need to get worried, as I think these services would be available everywhere not just PCs.

 

[LordBaztion]

No, they need to sell as many boxes as they can

 

[Tagyhag]

I hope not. Every new release thread will be full of port begging

Why is it PC gamers feel everything needs to be on PC?

If you truly care about gaming then you'd understand the importance of making sure all games released, no matter their quality, are preserved.

Be it through releasing on store fronts like Steam or GOG, or emulation, PC is the only way these games will be saved through time.

I understand that most online "hardcore" gamers care about list wars rather than the actual hobby.

But some of us do care.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

But the reality is that's not what's being asked here. That's never what's being asked in threads like this. Otherwise the thread title would be "Should Sony Release PS4 Exclusives on NX/Xbox/PC/Mac 3 to 4 Years After Release?". See, that would actually be about allowing everyone to play the games. But again, that's not what these threads are ever about. These threads are specifically about PC gamers wanting every single game under the sun on their platform. Pro-consumer and "preservation" are just bullshit arguments brought up to try to make it seem like it's something bigger than that.

Nail, meet hammer. As you can see in the quoted below, didn't even take 5 minutes lol.
Like I said earlier in the thread, I'd be positively ecstatic if they did release their games on PC (4k Bloodborne...), but for now I just play exclusives and multiplayer games on the ps4 and other games on PC

If you truly care about gaming then you'd understand the importance of making sure all games released, no matter their quality, are preserved.

Be it through releasing on store fronts like Steam or GOG, or emulation, PC is the only way these games will be saved through time.

I understand that most gamers care about list wars rather than the actual hobby.

But some of us do care.

No true Scotsman...

 

[statham]

If it makes them money, yes, if not No.

 

[Inuhanyou]

12 pages of shameless port begging. Shows how amazing Sony's E3 conference was.

*edit multiple topics about PS4 exclusives coming to PC when there is zero percent of it happening.

Sounds about right. Just shows that Sony is right to prioritize these types of things in addition to the third party domination they have.

If you get people jelly for your content, you've got a winner.

 

[Audioboxer]

If you truly care about gaming then you'd understand the importance of making sure all games released, no matter their quality, are preserved.

Be it through releasing on store fronts like Steam or GOG, or emulation, PC is the only way these games will be saved through time.

I understand that most gamers care about list wars rather than the actual hobby.

But some of us do care.

Buy 5 PS3s, keep 4 wrapped in plastic and then buy all your games on disc.

After you finish with the one PS3 you unwrapped which may now have some general wear and tear, sell it. Gotta claw back some cash for your 5 PS4's.

Now go outside into your garden. Bury your 4 wrapped PS3's and 170 physical PS3 games in a preservation bunker.

Lastly write your will and leave directions and keys to the bunker for your child's children. In 100 years those glorious 170 physical PS3 games will still be playable and 4 PS3s means not being able to do a warranty on a PS3 in 2110 ain't an issue. Pray you don't have 4 YLOD bastards in your bunker though. Bad times if so.

 

[Chronospherics]

They make a lot of money off of their hardware, and doing so would degrade the value of their hardware. It's not just a matter of being able to play them right away on PC, it's a matter of the association that experiences like The Last of Us, are exclusively associated with the Playstation brand.

If you truly care about gaming then you'd understand the importance of making sure all games released, no matter their quality, are preserved.

Be it through releasing on store fronts like Steam or GOG, or emulation, PC is the only way these games will be saved through time.

I understand that most online "hardcore" gamers care about list wars rather than the actual hobby.

But some of us do care.

Ripping the data for the sake of presevation from the PS4s bluray's isn't difficult, and I doubt emulation will be a challenge for our 2110 alien overlords.

Seriously though, PS4 and ONE hardware is not likely to be remarkably difficult to emulate. So of course, PC is a big factor in doing that, but games releasing on console aren't likely to fade into nothing. Unless people choose to let them. Either way, you're not likely to lose the games to time, as making a backup of a PS4 game is an easy as owning a bluray burner, being able to play those backups will take longer, but is an inevitable outcome.

 

[Raiden]

The PS4 version of TLOU would suffer in sales as would other excl.

 

[bobbytkc]

tge very fact that this thread exists validates that console exclusives add value and differentiates their platform.

 

[Tagyhag]

No true Scotsman...

I should say, not all PC gamers care about preservation of course. But I believe that the majority of GAF does. And while there are other motives, preservation is the most important.

You don't have to believe me though.

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

I hope not. Every new release thread will be full of port begging

Why is it PC gamers feel everything needs to be on PC?

Why the fuck not? Every game should be on all the popular game platforms.
Exclusives benefit the first parties not the average gamer.

 

[GnawtyDog]

NO.

 

[Necromanti]

I should say, not all PC gamers care about preservation of course. But I believe that the majority of GAF does. And while there are other motives, preservation is the most important.

You don't have to believe me though.

Preservation is nice, but personally, I'd rather be able to play games at 60 FPS at a good IQ than on the PS4. I can only hope the Neo will fix it (for a minority of games), but I'm not getting my hopes up.

 

[bobbytkc]

Why the fuck not? Every game should be on all the popular game platforms.
Exclusives benefit the first parties not the average gamer.

exclusives only exist and funded because they benefit the platform holder. uncharted would not exist if it wasnt made exclusive for the playstation.

 

[JordanN]

Why the fuck not? Every game should be on all the popular game platforms.
Exclusives benefit the first parties not the average gamer.

Without Sony, the games would not exist.

 

[Audioboxer]

exclusives only exist and funded because they benefit the platform holder. uncharted would not exist if it wasnt made exclusive for the playstation.

More so ND in the shape and form they have been since UC1 and are today probably wouldn't exist. The likes of Sony and MS aren't just dev banks (and Nintendo I guess lol). When they do things well they cultivate studios and talented working environments that allow things like Uncharted to be born and improved upon as a constant stream of revenue and backing is a given, and available year on year.

When you're fully independent and not relying on a specific investor who has their own goals making money and putting out AAA games on the scale of UC isn't exactly a walk in the park.

Shutting down this question isn't so much it being about making people feel bad. More so there are genuinely strong business reasons why exclusives exist, heck why consoles exist, and to just ignore them and wish for everything to be platform neutral is to be purposely obtuse to how the gaming industry works and has gotten to where it is today.

 

[Opt1kon_]

"Port begging the thread"

 

[epmode]

People in this thread are being inane about the definition of "port begging."

Port begging was banned on NeoGAF because it actively stifles discussion. Imagine if the first three pages of the Rise of the Tomb Raider OT was nothing but "man, game looks fun, TOO BAD I CAN'T PLAY IT." Fucking irritating, right? Nobody can actually discuss the game because it's instead just a bunch of people expressing desire for the game instead of discussing what's already in it. But now we're in a thread that's about the act of porting, and those rules don't really apply. Now if you don't want to see discussion about ports and how much you want them, you don't have to click on the discussion about ports.

Instead people like StrongBlackVine are, in the ultimate irony, using the rule about port begging to stifle discussion.

Thanks for this. You're exactly right, and mods have made similar posts in threads about potential PC ports.

I'm not sure why some poeple would be so against games being available on a platform that would ensure they'd look as good as possible but here we are. I wonder if those same people are hoping for Neo patches of already-existing games.

"Port begging the thread"

See above.

 

[Thorn]

NO.

Quality post.

"Port begging the thread"

Please refer to post #610

 

[Movalpolos]

Perfect.

 

[cakely]

Hah! I love you, GAF.

 

[bobbytkc]

Thanks for this. You're exactly right, and mods have made similar posts in threads about potential PC ports.

I'm not sure why some poeple would be so against games being available on a platform that would ensure they'd look as good as possible but here we are. I wonder if those same people are hoping for Neo patches of already-existing games.


See above.

regardless of forum rules, this is clearly a port begging thread.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

More so ND in the shape and form they have been since UC1 and are today probably wouldn't exist. The likes of Sony and MS aren't just dev banks (and Nintendo I guess lol). When they do things well they cultivate studios and talented working environments that allow things like Uncharted to be born and improved upon as a constant stream of revenue and backing is a given, and available year on year.

When you're fully independent and not relying on a specific investor who has their own goals making money and putting out AAA games on the scale of UC isn't exactly a walk in the park.

Shutting down this question isn't so much it being about making people feel bad. More so there are genuinely strong business reasons why exclusives exist, heck why consoles exist, and to just ignore them and wish for everything to be platform neutral is to be purposely obtuse to how the gaming industry and gotten to where it is.

Well put.

 

[Opt1kon_]

Thanks for this. You're exactly right, and mods have made similar posts in threads about potential PC ports.

I'm not sure why some poeple would be so against games being available on a platform that would ensure they'd look as good as possible but here we are. I wonder if those same people are hoping for Neo patches of already-existing games.


See above.

Quality post.



Please refer to post #610

understood

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

exclusives only exist and funded because they benefit the platform holder. uncharted would not exist if it wasnt made exclusive for the playstation.

That's hardly a benefit for gamers when half of them can't play it.
It makes business sense but it's still an dick move.

 

[SwaggerMcDagger]

I hope not. Every new release thread will be full of port begging

Why is it PC gamers feel everything needs to be on PC?

lets stop shilling for a platform, shall we?

 

[orthodoxy1095]

That's hardly a benefit for gamers when half of them can't play it.
It makes business sense but it's still an dick move.

What's better.

That half of gamers can't play it (weirdly arbitrary percentage, but whatever), or if all gamers couldn't play it.

 

[Audioboxer]

Well put.

Minus my usual spelling mistakes made when doing GAF on the mobile lol.

 

[VICI0US]

While I'd love to play, say, bloodborne at 1440p/165hz it doesn't make sense for sony to do it.

Exclusives are all they have to justify purchasing their hardware. 99% of third party games are already available on PC with lower prices, higher resolution, higher framerate, better graphics, etc. Put all their exclusives on PC as well and all you have is a locked down closed platform with weak hardware and an online paywall.

 

[bobbytkc]

That's hardly a benefit for gamers when half of them can't play it.
It makes business sense but it's still an dick move.

the benefit to consumers is that the game exists in the first place. would you rather have the game exist, or not?

 

[Inuhanyou]

I imagine a thread about why MS doesn't just buy Sony and Nintendo and make their games exclusive to Xbox since they have a warchest would get locked really quickly.

the benefit to consumers is that the game exists in the first place. would you rather have the game exist, or not?

Although people whined about the Bayonetta 2 situation, i'd rather have that game exist than not exist.

 

[Siege.exe]

That's hardly a benefit for gamers when half of them can't play it.
It makes business sense but it's still an dick move.

Is anyone stopping you from buying a PS4?

 

[N.Domixis]

3-4 years is ridiculous. 3.5-4.5 years makes way more sense

Is this a joke? That's hardly a difference when you are already waiting years.

 

[Kilau]

exclusives only exist and funded because they benefit the platform holder. uncharted would not exist if it wasnt made exclusive for the playstation.

People seem to confuse money hat exclusives for games made and wholly owned by a platform holder.

If Sony thinks they can make more money releasing their games on other platforms they will probably do it, but they are in no way required to do so no matter how indignant anyone else feels about the situation.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Sony and Nintendo exclusives should stay exclusive. You want their games? Buy into their ecosystem or be ignored. It's really that simple. The exclusives are a big reason I buy Sony consoles, and the only reason I buy Nintendo's, and that's pretty normal.

GAF, no means no.

That's hardly a benefit for gamers when half of them can't play it.
It makes business sense but it's still an dick move.

Absolutetly not. It's absurd to claim entitlement to games they funded when you won't buy into their ecosystem. They're a platform holder, so the answer is no.