orthodoxy1095
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I was talking about home consoles, but we're really going to try to compare this potential system to two handhelds?
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CD Projekt Red - "NX Will Be Fantastic" [Up: Umm... err... well... haha?]
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I never said you wouldn't like them. I'm referring to you saying those aren't the kind of games Nintendo needs. I think they do.
I don't think you'll EVER see a GTA on a Nintendo console, personally. Not unless they change their stance. They're still very family friendly.
The type of games we'll see though will be games like Just Dance and sports games though. With that, I'll agree with you. At least I think it'll be this way out the gate. You'll see more variety as more units sell though.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I just don't think they are. Third-party exclusive JRPGs titles might give you a boost in like Japan or maybe parts of Europe. That's not going to help your relevancy worldwide.
And I doubt many Japanese companies will go that route.
Again, I don't think they'll go an exclusive route either (as mentioned in a previous post). Not sure why you're bringing up exclusivity here because that's something I agree on. If you read my initial post, I said I think it's a good idea for only 1st party games to be exclusive and not 3rd party.
Im talking about japanese games can boost sales not just for japan but for other countries as well, well thats fair yes its a handheld but still its a gaming platform.
Yah i was wrong there, like what i just said to the other post, it can be first shown on the Nx launch i think thats enough attention for that game to be recognized.
CrazyHorse
Junior Member
I hope GTA never appears on a Nintendo game. It's for immoral filthy souls to enjoy. Not for decent people.
What year is this
orthodoxy1095
Banned
And thats are lots of shooters, first person, hack and slash, moba games, are you really fine with that? Nah theres has been a market for unique games all these years.
Yah me too, we all knew what happened to zelda, mysteries do come with possitives aswell.
Yeah I'm actually going to be kinda sad if something genuine gets leaked because I want to be amazed (or dissapointed y'know) on the actual reveal whenever Nintendo decides to do it.
I've actually been thinking the same thing. Nintendo can be leak proof t times, but ive been wondering if they will wait too long and the leak will come before the reveal
Pls tell me your joking
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I'm fine with realizing that achieving mainstream relevance probably requires having those games available on your system, yes.
Chinatown Wars
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yet Bully and GTA: Chinatown Wars got released for Wii and DS.
I'm not really into console speculation but I just like to see people discussing about it, and it's going to bring me more nintendo games, like Mario Kart 9 and Smash NX.
I'm not sure why I care if the platform I game on has mainstream relevance.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Yeah, making money isn't a big part of what Nintendo does anyways, so who cares if they make another niche, dead console?
I Guess where not on a same boat here but thats fine, atleast i like your avatar, persona is great and theres that ^.^
How is "niche" a bad thing? Just because it doesn't enjoy mass market success doesn't mean that the content isn't good.
I don't see why whether 10 million other people buy a game I enjoy or not should affect my enjoyment of that game. I've had some of my best experiences with things like Japanese visual novels that maybe 20,000 other people in the Western Hemisphere ever bought.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
You're taking a business discussion and extrapolating it to your personal enjoyment.
Which is a completely irrelevant and a totally different discussion.
Skittzo0413
Member
If their sales don't improve you won't get many or any new games from them in the future... That's why you should care.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Actually, you're right, this is the way we relate enjoyment to sales/business.
I have a Vita. The stupid console is one of my favorite that I've ever owned. But the sales for the thing have been so garbage that I've gotten very few "big" or even Sony-made titles on the thing. That has severely impacted my enjoyment of the system.
The thing is, I don't work for Nintendo, nor do you. I'm a customer. If the NX delivers the experiences I want, I'll get it and enjoy it. If no one else does, that doesn't affect my relationship with Nintendo. Why should I be concerned with their finances?
I'm legitimately curious as to why whether the NX sells well or not is something I should care about. I have a several year backlog on my Wii U and I'm not expecting to even need to get an NX until well into 2018, and whatever it releases in its first two years should keep me happily occupied for the next four or five years or so. If fewer people buy it, I'll get great gaming experiences on clearance like I got Rodea the Sky Soldier earlier this year for a third of the price off. Maybe a few tens of thousands of people actually bought that game and it has under a 5 on Metacritic, but it might be the most fun I've had with a game in the last five years or so.
You hit the nail on the head. If Nintendo is cool with third party services on their machine, and porting is cost effective, they will get the support. The game has changed so dramatically, even since 2012. It's a whole new world.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Because their finances directly relate to their ability to bring you those experiences in a timely and regular manner.
Luckily their consoles have access to a vast back catalog of old games and indie titles that I haven't played before, and I enjoy replaying games until I absolutely master and memorize them, so I can find new experiences and fun times on their systems years after their support dries up. Like I said, I'm planning on having my Wii U as my primary gaming system until holiday 2018 and I'm doing that in the full knowledge that there won't be anything new released on it after Zelda next March...but there's tons of stuff I haven't yet played that I want to play through before I hit the new system, especially games through Wii backwards compatibility, since I never owned a Wii.
If the NX flops, it flops. It'll still have dozens of games on it at least, many of which will be well worth playing, and ~15 games is easily 4-5 years of gaming.
If Nintendo ever does fully fully exit the gaming market, it has a vast back catalog of software that I've never played and still won't have played by then that I can continue to discover for decades to come.
I think the best we can hope for is retention of 3DS support, general interest from Japan getting the bigger titles that PS4 and often XBOne get (thinking big Capcom, SE, BN titles), and Dance/Sport/CoD support from the west. All of these are not sure things, e.g. Level 5 is, say, trending mobile, NX might not be able to run, say, FFXV, or might not sell well enough to get EA sports back on.
The dreams of sharing or absorbing Vita Japanese support, or of sharing, say, Persona and other smaller audience JRPGs with PlayStation seems, while not impossible, more far-fetched. There is less of an impetus to be multiplatform in those cases; there isn't a working relationship to work against the pull of jumping to mobile in the Vita case. Nintendo's biggest chance in these regards is with the handheld unit, if it is successful in Japan and cross-compatible with a home console capable of accepting PS3/PS4 and PS4 games. This could draw some formerly PS exclusive games to be multiplatform.
The dreams of sharing or absorbing Vita Japanese support, or of sharing, say, Persona and other smaller audience JRPGs with PlayStation seems, while not impossible, more far-fetched. There is less of an impetus to be multiplatform in those cases; there isn't a working relationship to work against the pull of jumping to mobile in the Vita case. Nintendo's biggest chance in these regards is with the handheld unit, if it is successful in Japan and cross-compatible with a home console capable of accepting PS3/PS4 and PS4 games. This could draw some formerly PS exclusive games to be multiplatform.
Not me, I want it all to leak. I expect complete incompetence and so I'd rather know about that sooner, as opposed to later.
If the NX Handheld is at all successful in Japan I don't see why we wouldn't see things like Disgaea or Steins; Gate on the NX. The 3DS literally can't run software like that, but any Handheld built in 2017 would be far bulkier than the Vita even if it is using several years old parts and, given that the Vita isn't getting a successor, the NX Handheld could well become the entirety of the non-smartphone handheld gaming market.
If its software is cross-compatible with the NX Console, that's just a cherry on top, but even if it isn't I suspect that the NX Handheld will become the new home of "Vita games."
If they aren't cross-compatible, I'll probably pass up the console and just get the Handheld, as those stereotypical "Vita games" are really my favorite types of software. If they're region locked for some crazy reason, by that point I may actually look into just biting the bullet and importing a Japanese NX Handheld.
Shadax the wizard
Member
C'mon now. This happens with all hardware and it ain't nothing new. People love them early leaks and will speculate upon what information they have avaliable. I don't quite undertand your defensiveness - nor your branding of it as an obsession?
What I'm saying is I'm not sure those games would see a reason to stay in non mobile gaming and Nintendo doesn't have connections to the developers to use to convince them otherwise. Moreover, the games are niche so multiplatform sales potential means less.
I don't play these games, so perhaps I'm missing some reason they'd prefer to jump to Nintendo rather than just leaving the dedicated handheld gaming market.
Can full-priced retail games sell on iOS or Android? For visual novels, tactical RPGs, traditional JRPGs, and the rest of those sorts of titles, it's either a major transformation or oblivion after the Vita goes.
Calm Mind
Member
A live-in plumber will do just that.
Shouldn't this thread basically be over? I mean a comment was made it has now be stated to of been made in jest and there is nothing really else to expound upon. I've seen this thread on the front page for days, but judging by that past few pages it is just tangentially connected to the original thread.
3DS support is a lot different from securing AAA or even AA console exclusives in this day and age. THey would have to have a userbase like PS4 to and a momentum on that level to secure that kind of thing.
You may be joking, but that's what Japanese Nintendo fanboys say a lot, that Sony games and western games are all 'murder games' and so they are glad not to have them on Nintendo.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Really? What a bunch of weirdos.
Bitanator
Member
That chainsaw is brutal, body cut in half and hand parts splayed across the street in blood
PepperJohn
Banned
It seriously feels like you guys would buy 10 time shares considering how gullible you people are.
So let me get this straight
The NX is, based on the rumors,
A Handheld
Console
Is both a handheld and a console
Stronger than the Xbox One
As weaker as the PS4
Powered by Tegra
Powered by AMD
Powered by ARM
Will, despite not being X86 if it's power by ARM or Tegra, have no problem with porting games
Will have a screen on the controller
Will have no buttons
Will have buttons
Funny how the only rumors you people always deny no matter what is that it could possibly be as strong wit the PS4 Neo.
So let me get this straight
The NX is, based on the rumors,
A Handheld
Console
Is both a handheld and a console
Stronger than the Xbox One
As weaker as the PS4
Powered by Tegra
Powered by AMD
Powered by ARM
Will, despite not being X86 if it's power by ARM or Tegra, have no problem with porting games
Will have a screen on the controller
Will have no buttons
Will have buttons
Funny how the only rumors you people always deny no matter what is that it could possibly be as strong wit the PS4 Neo.
Why is that funny? Since its pretty much impossible considering Nintendo. I think even the most diehard Nintendo fan knows that.
That is quite disingenuous of you to intentionally misread his or her argument by only mentioning "but it handhelds". The poster point is that systems have done well with limited high quality third party support. I.E. the initial launch of the NES in Japan. The Wii in it entirety. Literally, all of Nintendo portables were sold on the back of Nintendo output and NOT THIRD PARTIES.
Kissenkopf
Banned
The only problem is, that it never worked for a home console world wide and that is a fact. Even if Nintendo supports the NX with the same amount of games they earlier had split on two devices, it wouldn't work. The people want more than Nintendo games on their home console. They want their Battlefields, GTA, Fifa and that kind of stuff. Otherwise you never gather the game crowd.
It is so ironic of you use Persona as an example. Atlus and Nintendo just released a game on the Wii U in United States call Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE. Also, the 3DS did get a Persona spinoff. (and in all honestly it didn't make any sense without the Nintendo audience having access to Persona 3 and Persona 4 at) Furthermore, NIS and Koei Tecmo seems to be possibly on broad with whatever the NX is, according to their investor report.
The Wii says hello. Your fact is wrong. How many GTA and Battlefields were ever released on the Wii?
TheMoon
Member
I don't think your time travel device brought you to the right decade.
Unless you're talking about Rockstar/Take-Two changing their stance.
Prisoner KSC2-303
Member
Yeah, it's almost like these people are a bunch of individuals discussing different rumours...