Crayon
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I think it might just be you left. I bought a year when sf5 came out and it was mortifying. They had done me on all fronts.
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PlayStation has 21 Million PlayStation Plus Subscribers
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I think it might just be you left. I bought a year when sf5 came out and it was mortifying. They had done me on all fronts.
Great number and it'll only go up from here
indie games are great. Would've rather had Enter the Gungeon or Necrodancer as opposed to NBA2016
Wouldn't higher MAU mean an increase in subscriber base?
I'm being sarcastic don't answer that.
Primethius
Banned
I do. That and the PS plus titles. I only play like... one online game but I keep resubbing for the constant flow of games and deals.
It's great.
21 million paid subscribers, not MAUs, which would obvsiously be higher.
Edit: my bad, did not see the 60+ million MAUs slide.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Yeah, this is part of it for me.
I sometimes play online, I usually find a game in the IGC, but the discounts? If you shop around for PS+ and make use of the discounts, it basically pays for its self through the year.
Nightengale
Member
I've actually been looking forward to the sales a lot more the last few months, than I have the "free" games, they usually have at least one really good deal going. Always have the fear that what I buy will be the free game the following month though, but it's only happened once.
paradise_circus
Member
Now Sony make the MP free again and charge for the services which actually make sense behind a paywall, i.e. party chat, cloud and other stuff.
Hidden One
Member
I stay subbed to play online..
They're not doing that unless Microsoft does it first.
Kilau
Gold Member
No clue but now you only need one account per system to have Gold, same with Plus. MS used to sell a family plan bundle so they probably took a noticble hit on subs based on that alone.
Acquiescence
Member
I don't consider it a good thing that they're raking it in via the online paywall. They followed Microsoft's lead and it totally paid off... for them.
Nightengale
Member
It's not a good thing... but it's "our" fault.
IGC did NOTHING for Sony. At best , they had maybe 5 million subs out of the 80 mil PS3s they sold. Dared not to even talk numbers , only satisfaction levels.
Paywall, and suddenly Sony starts boasting numbers and impressive growth.
DarkConfidant
Member
Thats cool, but did anyone else see the shitty powerpoint slides they got in the report? Stock photos, everywhere.
XD
Itll be interesting to see if they surpass the PS2 sales. With the narrative constantly being that consoles are over (not that I believe it 100%), its hard to imagine them hitting that number again.
XD
Itll be interesting to see if they surpass the PS2 sales. With the narrative constantly being that consoles are over (not that I believe it 100%), its hard to imagine them hitting that number again.
Primethius
Banned
thekiddfran
Member
It isn't a good thing for the consumer thats for sure. A obvious and easy source of income for Sony though. They were smart to copy Microsoft in that regard.
Making online play behind a paywall has paid off for them.
PSN had 65 MAUs at PS4s launch, and it decreased by 5 million since then.
Shows how useless MAU as a statistic is.
Steam has like 120 million MAUs, but PSN alone makes more money in a single quarter than the entirety of Valve's estimated value.
League of Legends has 27 million MAUs, and only the GTAs, CoDs, and Clash of Clans of the world make more money.
So yeah, MAU is useless.
Shows how useless MAU as a statistic is.
Steam has like 120 million MAUs, but PSN alone makes more money in a single quarter than the entirety of Valve's estimated value.
League of Legends has 27 million MAUs, and only the GTAs, CoDs, and Clash of Clans of the world make more money.
So yeah, MAU is useless.
CrispyBoar
Banned
It's a combination of not having internet & choosing not to pay for the service despite having internet.
It was the same way with Xbox Live on Xbox 360, despite Microsoft having a lot of 360 owners.
paradise_circus
Member
the paywall is a double edged sword. The psn wasn't even profitable having bigger revenues than Xbox live right before the psn hack.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverc...les-top-800m-still-unprofitable/#df7b6439969e
that's actually the reason why some sort of subscription is needed and I'm sure Nintendo will do something similar if their service wants to have more features.
however, blocking the mp is not justified imo
thekiddfran
Member
Of course it isnt for the consumer but it is the reason most gamers have to get it.
My family have all got PS+ because they "Have" to play online with their friends.
Ah, fair point. I think it's totally worth it, though. I pay for the year-long subscription and that's only $50, but I'm bound to get at least one game I really like, in addition to discounts and a few indies here and there. All in all, it easily amounts to more than $50.
Primethius
Banned
Also, consider that the PS4 is a worldwide console as opposed to it's competitor. And not all markets are equally focused on MP titles like the United States.
I think it's fair to assume that the U.S has a higher percentage of people that play MP games due to the success and domination of the Xbox 360.
I think it's fair to assume that the U.S has a higher percentage of people that play MP games due to the success and domination of the Xbox 360.
No, not at all... Like... really nothing, unless you're watching with a friend for laughs (cause it's so fucking bad).
Season 2 pushed for more cleavage, and what not to grab it's target audience. I really can't believe Sony's dumping money on this.
darkinstinct
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l3lacklvlagic
Member
A lot of drive by posts saying psn is trash with no reasons. I've had problems before with psn but nothing as of late.
I'm really happy with both the PSN and the PS4 OS. It's all dead stable and very easy to use and to socialize with. There practically being no down-time for installs, play-as-you-download and rest/resume has killed what was an enormous user barrier during the PS3-era. Last gen it was slow, cumbersome and practically wanting in every area.
I own a PS4, Vita and PS3. Between all platforms I always get at least one game that I want every month via PS Plus. It's an awesome service. I very rarely play MP games. Overwatch and Rocket League are pretty much it.
I hope they keep focusing on content. I don't really mind when servers go down. I have like 10+ games on my backlog I can play instead, but I very rarely have any issues with PSPlus.
I hope they keep focusing on content. I don't really mind when servers go down. I have like 10+ games on my backlog I can play instead, but I very rarely have any issues with PSPlus.
Is that right? Sounds like it can't be right.
People chase them because they're the big spenders of the industry and bring their friends with them en masse.
$60 base game, $50 PS+ fee, $50 DLC season passes, DLC skins, hypothetically infinite microtransactions, each person needs a copy of the game instead of sharing with their friends or renting...
Nightengale
Member
Sony just had their investor day where they're laying out their short to mid term strategy for the next fiscal year or so.
40 million is old news, but there's a lot of new info as well.
* As of May 22, 2016
About the MAUs or Valve's value?
Steam had over 125 million active users in February 2015. Probably even higher now. They hit 12 million concurrent logged in users everyday.
I'm with you. JRPG/Vita PS+ sales are great. I didn't play MP at all but still subscribed. I'm not sure going online in Grand Kingdom actually require PS+ or not.
Primethius
Banned
Perhaps you should actually give it a look? There have been some amazing PS+ offerings.
If it wasn't for Rocket League online I'd stop my subscription. I used to love Plus during the PS3 era, but now it isn't even a shadow of its former self.
Our ideas of amazing are very different.
Amazing was when every month they were giving away: Uncharted 3, Little Big Planet 2, Infamous 2, Shadow of The Colossus, Ico, The Jak and Daxter trilogy, Demon's Souls, Bioshock Infinite, Assassins Creed 3, Battlefield 3, Borderlands 2, Dragon's Dogma, Far Cry 3, Mafia 2, Spec Ops The Line, Xcom, Motorstorm, Need for Speed most wanted and Tomb Raider.
That was awesome. I've had my PS4 since day one and the only comparible game is Rocket League, and Resogun to a much lesser extent. This gen more than any other has just reinforced to me that you should never stay loyal to a brand: when Sony are on top they aren't as nice to the consumer, when Sony are behind they are extremely generous to the consumer. Rinse and repeat for Microsoft .
Our ideas of amazing are very different.
Amazing was when every month they were giving away: Uncharted 3, Little Big Planet 2, Infamous 2, Shadow of The Colossus, Ico, The Jak and Daxter trilogy, Demon's Souls, Bioshock Infinite, Assassins Creed 3, Battlefield 3, Borderlands 2, Dragon's Dogma, Far Cry 3, Mafia 2, Spec Ops The Line, Xcom, Motorstorm, Need for Speed most wanted and Tomb Raider.
That was awesome. I've had my PS4 since day one and the only comparible game is Rocket League, and Resogun to a much lesser extent. This gen more than any other has just reinforced to me that you should never stay loyal to a brand: when Sony are on top they aren't as nice to the consumer, when Sony are behind they are extremely generous to the consumer. Rinse and repeat for Microsoft .
StrongBlackVine
Banned
That would be equivalent to throwing money in the trash. Just be happy Nintendo isn't charging yet.
Possumowner
Member
That's a lot of subscribers and slot of money.I actually think it's worth it,but then again I always find something worth playing most months.
Here's the 60+ million MAUs slide:
Wait so so can report MAUs and hardware sales and actually parse out paid subscribers?
I think those thinking this number is low live in the GAF bubble. Lots of people don't play online and I'm pretty sure last generation gold peaked at probably 1/3 of 360 owners.
I haven't had PSN issues in a long time too probably when that extended outage happened. Maybe I'm just one of the lucky chosen ones.
Klart
Member
I very much doubt there's much of a difference. I don't think there are still a lot of PS3/PSVita-only subscribers left.
Devilgunman
Member
Yup, that's the main reason I keep ps+. The deals are insane, sometime even cheaper than Steam sale.
The only problem I have with PSN is that they still randomly block ip, which is pain in the ass since my ISP only provide dynamic ip. I have to reset my router every couple days because of this.
You have to take retail margins, distribution costs and the whatever company is doing the processing of the cards during a retail transaction as well. Most likely it is more like $25*21 million to $30*21 million. So $525 million to $630 million. Also, this doesn't take into account any currency conversions given the PlayStation globe brand.
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