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PC version of Inside seemingly using Denuvo

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JaseC

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Credit to Catinabox:

Wok said:
I have just read on the Steam forum that INSIDE is using Denuvo DRM based on this url:
https://support.codefusion.technology/inside/

I have never had a game used Denuvo before. Is it any bad for performance on older rigs (say, with 8GB of RAM)?
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I suppose it's not entirely shocking to see an indie developer jumping on the bandwagon.

Edit:
JaseC said:
Now that the PC version has released, I can confirm that it indeed does use Denuvo... and CEG ("Steam DRM").
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Mifec

Member
Well I was gonna overlook the 1 week delay and pay full price, but this just delegated it to sale price in winter.
 
M

MillionStabs

Banned
Yay because Denuvo seems to be nigh impossible to crack

Boo because I've had problems with this DRM in the past, and it can be a trial
 
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Omikaru

Member
Will wait to see how this develops, but I may refund my copy on Steam over this. Not interested in encouraging Denuvo by buying full price.
 
J

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Sn4ke_911 said:
Why?
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There's nothing inherently wrong with taking a stand against Denuvo. Regardless of where you stand vis-a-vis it as a moment-to-moment form of DRM, there is the fact that you cannot run a Denuvo-protected title for the first time without being online, which may be an issue in in the not-too-distant future should the service be discontinued. One need only look to GFWL to see how short-sighted some publishers are -- "fire and forget", as the saying goes.
 
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Kyonashi

Member
God I wish games like this didn't have to be roped into timed exclusivity :/ I want to play it on PS4, the wait for Oxenfree was bad enough.
 
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SmartWaffles

Member
That activation page looks like some early 2000s software stuff lol.

Neuromancer said:
I thought Steam was effectively its own DRM. Why would you need something like this?
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The Steamworks "DRM" is basically non-existent when it comes to cracking. Denuvo is not a kind of DRM, what it actually does is protecting the real DRM from being tampered.
 
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JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Neuromancer said:
I thought Steam was effectively its own DRM. Why would you need something like this?
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CEG is optional and in practice protects only against "zero-day" piracy (i.e. pre-release leaks). In other words, it's practically worthless as far as post-release protection is concerned but has a flawless pre-release track record.
 
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Joey Ravn

Banned
Neuromancer said:
I thought Steam was effectively its own DRM. Why would you need something like this?
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Denuvo isn't "DRM" per se. It's an "anti-tampering solution", meaning you can't just crack the .exe to pirate it. It's a way to protect Steam's DRM from being cracked, essentially.

Edit: More on topic, I want to get this game, but €20 as a proposition is a bit steep for me right now.
 
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etrain911

Member
There are rumors that Denuvo has been cracked by some Russian team recently, so I feel bad for any other Indie guys who put money towards it hoping for protection on their games. Of course, it should protect them during the most important sales period, so it isn't all bad.
 
Woo-Fu

Woo-Fu

Banned
That is great news. It would appear that Denuvo has adopted a pricing model that indies can afford, not just large publishers.
 
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CecilRousso

Member
Gonna wait for a DRM free version. I'm not accepting this from an indie dev who's previous titles stands at 3,727,693 copies on Steamspy.
 
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Tagyhag

Member
CHC said:
Probably the same number that are unplayable today because of DRM - zero good ones.
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I don't think Denuvo is a problem yet, but I will say, no game, no matter how bad, should be lost forever.

I know that since gaming as a medium isn't as old as film, people don't really care for "Lost Games" yet, but trust me, there will come a time.
 
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Hektor

Member
Great. We all know how hard Limbo bombed thanks to piracy. Finally the dev has found a solution to stop that.
 
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Panda Rin

Member
etrain911 said:
There are rumors that Denuvo has been cracked by some Russian team recently, so I feel bad for any other Indie guys who put money towards it hoping for protection on their games. Of course, it should protect them during the most important sales period, so it isn't all bad.
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Isn't the crack on a game-by-game basis? So it would still take forever to crack Inside?
 
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nomis

Member
johnnydrama said:
Oh, okay, this is gonna be one of those threads then.
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darkinstinct

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etrain911 said:
There are rumors that Denuvo has been cracked by some Russian team recently, so I feel bad for any other Indie guys who put money towards it hoping for protection on their games. Of course, it should protect them during the most important sales period, so it isn't all bad.
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Denuvo is not cracked. It can be bypassed by running the game through a debugger, which makes it unplayable slow but even that is only possible after months and on a per game basis.
 
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Neuromancer said:
I thought Steam was effectively its own DRM. Why would you need something like this?
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its uncrackable in any timely fashion and cracking one game means nothing in regards to cracking another. combined with most cash being made in the first x months of a games life, then denuvo has essentially 'solved' piracy on the pc.

ideally a game would remove denuvo after its been out for a time so servers shutting down dont affect it, or some kind of 'we are bankrupt -> unlocked' type agreement.
 
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LIMBO -- MB-1C6835483F6B9196 - Taken by OnionPowder
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In honor of this awful news, here's a game that doesn't feature Denuvo
 
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johnnydrama

Banned
CecilRousso said:
Gonna wait for a DRM free version. I'm not accepting this from an indie dev who's previous titles stands at 3,727,693 copies on Steamspy.
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Limbo has been a part of dirt cheap Humble Bundles countless times, and was also free during this year's summer sale, when its sales numbers grew from 2.5 million to 3.7 million.
 
Lister

Lister

Banned
Stil picking it up day one.

Denuvo has never giving em any issues in any game that uses it. The moment it does is the moment I'll rage. But so far so good.

Fuck pirates.
 
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SmartWaffles

Member
NeoRaider said:
Honestly i am little disappointed that Playdead did this.
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Disappointed at that a small (25 people) indie studio want to survive by not having their game pirated? We know piracy on a grand scale of things doesn't impact sales that much but it does hurt smaller devs A LOT more than triple A ones.

roadrunn3r said:
Horrible news! I don't even know if anyone will bother to crack this one after Denuvo servers will stop working.

Anyway

Limbo: Owners: 3,727,693 ± 50,429 NO DRM
Inside: ?

Lets see.
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We'll know by 2022.
 
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roadrunn3r

Member
Horrible news! I don't even know if anyone will bother to crack this one after Denuvo servers will stop working.

Anyway

Limbo: Owners: 3,727,693 ± 50,429 NO DRM
Inside: ?

Lets see.
 
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Hektor

Member
SmartWaffles said:
Disappointed at that a small (25 people) indie studio want to survive by not having their game pirated? We know piracy on a grand scale of things doesn't impact sales that much but it does hurt smaller devs A LOT more than triple A ones.
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Yea the devs were just barely able to stay alive with Limbo
 
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xRaizen

Member
roadrunn3r said:
Horrible news! I don't even know if anyone will bother to crack this one after Denuvo servers will stop working.

Anyway

Limbo: Owners: 3,727,693 ± 50,429 NO DRM
Inside: ?

Lets see.
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Yep. Refuse to buy Inside now. They lost my sale by using Denuvo.
 
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Panda Rin

Member
roadrunn3r said:
Horrible news! I don't even know if anyone will bother to crack this one after Denuvo servers will stop working.

Anyway

Limbo: Owners: 3,727,693 ± 50,429 NO DRM
Inside: ?

Lets see.
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Again, as the above poster has already mentioned, it was part of multiple humble bundles and was free on Steam for a few days.
 
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solarus

Member
Haven't noticed denuvo in any of the games that use it and if it gives a good window of piracy protection to games then I'm all for it.
 
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