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PGS -- Windows 10 Game Handheld announced

MJPIA

Member
I threw a dollar in myself out of curiosity of the backer comments and updates.There are sadly a lot of people who don't understand hardware or lack the critical thinking to question this product, the promises, the price, and the development team. It's sad really.

Since you go to the Open Pandora boards you likely have some knowledge on how long of a process it is to design and build a prototype PCB let alone design retractable analogs, case molds, cooling, testing, etc. There is no way they are delivering anything 9 months let alone in 2017.This is either a scam or some people that are in way over their heads (
it's a scam
).
Well haven't done much with them in terms of big projects but I do have a laser cutter, 3d printer/mill, have backed a few electronic kickstarters which ran into small issues and have followed enough projects across the web and read enough to know how much time and work designing such a thing takes, just how little I know and how little their team seems to know.

And those retractible sticks worry me seeing how they are making them and they are still in the prototype phase.
The stronger the linkage is the more space it'll take and if its poorly designed a catastrophe happens.
I can't put any faith that whatever design they come up with will last thousands of cycles of opening and closing without failure or slop developing.

And there's the stretch goal of a E-ink lower screen for those who want it.
That is a good way to screw with the supply chain, manufacturing and shipping when you throw around optional addons like that.
More options isn't really a good thing for kickstarters, I've seen a kickstarter fall into chaos when there were too many optional things you could select.
That guy was fortunate and smart enough to stop his kickstarter before the campaign ended and reorganize and restart with less options and his campaign was successful.
Hell the lite model has roughly 25 backers while the hardcore one has over 800.
They should just drop the lite model.

And finally there is internal space.
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Finding room in the hardcore mode casel to put everything will be interesting, especially when I'm pretty sure this'll need to be tested and certified by the fcc and whatever other agencies due to its cellular capability.
 

dLMN8R

Member
Yeah, it's fucking hilarious that their stretch goal for an e-ink display is only $250,000 above their base goal. And a color e-ink display at that! What the ever loving hell???

A change like that could alone require millions or tens of millions of dollars in design and retooling manufacturing.

And then they need to massively overhaul their software! How the hell do they expect Windows to work with a color e-ink display???
 

SharkJAW

Member
First the Smach Z, now this. Hopefully, one day someone comes through with something of this caliber, or at least what it promises to be.
 

Gr8one

Member
Lastest goal reached and another update:

"Factory GPU overclocking" goal reached!

Thank you for your support and activity. You inspire us to move to the best results. Despite the Atom series chips don't support overclocking, we'll try to get such opportunity from the manufacturer. Thanks for being with us together.


Best regards,

Nadir


Quite the stretch goal.
 

MJPIA

Member
From one of PGS's comments in the comment section.
As for water resistance and the wireless charging, we are going to add these features to the project Goals.
PGS Hardcore will be released with 2 versions of LTE, supporting both US and Europe.
We can't overclock the chipset which is not to be overlocked officially, only after Intel allow it we can.
There is a typo on the website, thank you for noting it. Using the Amoled matrix in the main PGS display will be an additional Goal.
In PGS Hardcore the battery is removable. At the current stage we emphasize on production of the device itself, accessories will be made later.
More stretch goals.
Just what this device needs.
More stuff added.

François Piednoël confirmed he is supporting to some degree whether it involves overclocking or not.
https://twitter.com/FPiednoel/status/750037889837256704
I did contact them, we will provide performance support for this project, fine tuning information.
Just want to clarify, we will support the performance side of the device, it is still a Kickstarter, The success is up to PGS.
I love how the latest stretch goals include the possibility of a amd chip after the update with the header that reads "Intel Corporation is ready to help us" due to a Intel engineer contacting them.

I can't wait to see what this actually turns into once the campaign ends, clearly it is nothing but a design on a piece of paper at this moment.

I know nothing about amd's atom equivalents, how good are those and does android work with them?
 

Gr8one

Member
Another day another couple of updates:

Our vision of future of the project



We'd like to clarify some questions regarding PGS and also to share with you our plans for near and far away future. We want to remind you that each our team member has rich experience in using portable gaming consoles, each of us is an excellent expert and, most importantly, put a piece of heart in our project. Not only do we want to make a dream of many people to become a reality, we also fulfill our own dream, to give a new life in the world of portable gaming devices. Currently the faded world which keeps dying under the pressure of lots of low quality games for mobile phones.

We also wish to remind you that when funding this project, you don't simply make a preorder, you are funding into the birth of something brand new, you are creating it together with us. Ok, here what we are planning to achieve by the end of the campaign: To release a number of updates where we'll share our vision regarding various details of our device. To share info about our team members in one of the updates. This is really our fault that we haven't introduced you the team members earlier.

One of the updates will be dedicated to testing gaming performance in a number of games, also covering settings, FPS, resolution.

To spread info about us and our project in mass media as much as possible. It will help us to acquire new backers, to popularize our project and idea. We have received and keep receiving a lot of offers regarding potential investing and partnerships. Until the end of the campaign we wish to decide who should become our partner, a co-owner of the PGS company. Our priority are those companies that possess not just financial resources, but most importantly a large crew of experienced engineers.

Why do we need partners while we are collecting funds on Kickstarter? We've got prior agreements with a number of Chinese factories which would take a full cycle of production of devices according to our demands on specification and design. The already collected sum of funds is now sufficient to contact with them after the campaign, to monitor the quality of production and to send backers the finished devices in the upcoming year. But there is also another way - by making agreement with a company/corporation that holds extensive financial and engineering resources, we wouldn't be limited by that resources we get from Kickstarter. We would be able to raise the quality level even if the cost exceeds the pledge sum. We are ready for such decision for the sake of you, for popularity of our device, for creating business image and the overall future of the project. Speaking about future, we may say that we have big plans on PGS. Soon after we send the finished devices to backers, the PGS will start selling online on Amazon, and also in retail in a number of large countries. At the same time we will announce the new PGS revision based on Apollo Lake, as well as the brand new portable device with 7 inch display and a discrete video card. Also, until the end of campaign, we are planning to make an improved prototype version and to demonstrate it to you in new videos. The case elements of this prototype will also be printed on 3D printer and it will be based on a slightly modified Voyo V3 board. Some community members are not satisfied that the prototype is not based on our own PCB. Guys, we will start active work on PCB design after the funding ends and once we clearly know who will be a potential partner. If we get lucky and it is a company with experienced engineers (as reputable Intel), the work on PCB will be performed by engineers of our partner. We remind you, we strive for the highest quality and we will achieve it.

Are you together with us?

So they basically admitted they do not have any electrical engineers on their team and are hoping to lure an experienced partner to design the PCB. Wouldn't designing the PCB has to be the most expensive part of the development? Would it make any business sense to partner with PGS when they are selling two SKU's (meaning at least 2 PCB that need to be developed) and at such a low price point in comparison to the GPD Win and the Pyra. I am going nuts or is this crazy talk?
 

StereoVsn

Member
How?!!! How are people contributing $300K already to this? It's going to get to probably around $500-600K before being done.

It does show one thing, people do want a small Windows device for gaming.
 

Gr8one

Member
How?!!! How are people contributing $300K already to this? It's going to get to probably around $500-600K before being done.

It does show one thing, people do want a small Windows device for gaming.

Complety agree. The Steamboy is a dream of mine. Playing older PC games in my collection and some newer indies natively on a handheld would be a blast (although owning a Vita covers a lot of the indie games).
 
How?!!! How are people contributing $300K already to this? It's going to get to probably around $500-600K before being done.

It does show one thing, people do want a small Windows device for gaming.

I disagree. The numbers are cooked. They're not getting nearly enough publicity to justify the funding we're seeing. Think of it this way: even the OUYA's funding started to level out after their third day on KS, not a constant upward climb. Projects tend to have a U shaped funding curve. A lot of funding in the first couple days, then it bottoms out, then a lot of funding at the end. That money could be their "investors" they claim had requested they go to KS.

Kickstarter is supposed to check for this but it still happens. Look up the ZRRO project, that one had an unexpected spike in funding at the end that took the project to 101% of the goal. They later admitted it was their "investors" and the project failed after missing its delivery date.
 

MJPIA

Member
I was wondering about the phantom entertainment bit.
Nicely done.
I feel like asking them to integrate a mini dvd player and see how they respond.
They are already shoving everything else into it.


Speaking about future, we may say that we have big plans on PGS. Soon after we send the finished devices to backers, the PGS will start selling online on Amazon, and also in retail in a number of large countries. At the same time we will announce the new PGS revision based on Apollo Lake, as well as the brand new portable device with 7 inch display and a discrete video card.
We don't even have a concrete design for our current model you're all backing but we got great ideas for the future!
ONE BLOODY STEP AT A TIME.
By the time this comes out, if it even comes out Apollo Lake will most likely be obsolete.

I can't tell if these people are deliberately scamming people or if its just some guys waaaaaay in over their heads.

But if that bit about not starting pub design yet and relying on some other partner, who they don't have yet, engineers doesn't start alarm bells ringing in your head I don't know what else to tell you.

How?!!! How are people contributing $300K already to this? It's going to get to probably around $500-600K before being done.

It does show one thing, people do want a small Windows device for gaming.

Thats what gets me.
I dunno if its cause its on kickstarter but the amount of money this is getting compared to the GPD win irritates me.
One is real and should be shipping out in three months or so.
The other, weeeeelllll who knows?

Its long gone but back in 2008 there was a website called Portable Gaming Solutions and they sold relatively portable xbox 360's in suitcases.
Kinda curious if there is any relation between the two.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080115121744/http://www.portablegamingsolutions.com/aboutus.html
 

StereoVsn

Member
I disagree. The numbers are cooked. They're not getting nearly enough publicity to justify the funding we're seeing. Think of it this way: even the OUYA's funding started to level out after their third day on KS, not a constant upward climb. Projects tend to have a U shaped funding curve. A lot of funding in the first couple days, then it bottoms out, then a lot of funding at the end. That money could be their "investors" they claim had requested they go to KS.

Kickstarter is supposed to check for this but it still happens. Look up the ZRRO project, that one had an unexpected spike in funding at the end that took the project to 101% of the goal. They later admitted it was their "investors" and the project failed after missing its delivery date.
They may be getting more visibility, hence the upswing. They have about 1000 backers which corresponds well with $300K number. I really think it's just people being dumb.
 
How?!!! How are people contributing $300K already to this? It's going to get to probably around $500-600K before being done.

It does show one thing, people do want a small Windows device for gaming.

Shame that they'll be "getting" this instead.

I only want one thing. A vita shaped windows device with good button placement, a sensible screen, big battery and enough power to be a really good indie and emulator machine. And I also need it to be a real thing, not some bullshit vapourware.

Odds on them adding VR capabilities as a stretch goal are currently 50/50.
 

MJPIA

Member
I don't know if this is normal or not for crowdfunding but pgs has 1100 backers currently and $300,349 raised.
Adding everyone together 1070 have made pledges to one of their reward tiers but when I add all the money pledged to the rewards it comes to $285,540.
A fair bit of those 30 who backed without selecting a reward tier probably came from us following along on GAF and other forums who threw in a buck to participate in this rollercoaster ride but assuming I didn't royally screw up my math somewhere there is roughly $14,800 pledged for no reason at all not attached to any of their reward tiers.
Of course this is the internet where 22 people backed the hardcore model for $320 when they could get it for $280 currently so who knows but that seems weird to me.
 

StereoVsn

Member
Shame that they'll be "getting" this instead.

I only want one thing. A vita shaped windows device with good button placement, a sensible screen, big battery and enough power to be a really good indie and emulator machine. And I also need it to be a real thing, not some bullshit vapourware.

Odds on them adding VR capabilities as a stretch goal are currently 50/50.
I would love something like that plus attachable keyboard.
 

chadskin

Member
Another day another couple of updates:

So they basically admitted they do not have any electrical engineers on their team and are hoping to lure an experienced partner to design the PCB. Wouldn't designing the PCB has to be the most expensive part of the development? Would it make any business sense to partner with PGS when they are selling two SKU's (meaning at least 2 PCB that need to be developed) and at such a low price point in comparison to the GPD Win and the Pyra. I am going nuts or is this crazy talk?

lmao

Doesn't that potentially violate Kickstarter's ToS?
 

dLMN8R

Member
I hope everyone here has reported this Kickstarter for fraud, just like I did the day the thing started.

It's so obviously blatant.
 

darkinstinct

...lacks reading comprehension.
Yeah, it's fucking hilarious that their stretch goal for an e-ink display is only $250,000 above their base goal. And a color e-ink display at that! What the ever loving hell???

A change like that could alone require millions or tens of millions of dollars in design and retooling manufacturing.

And then they need to massively overhaul their software! How the hell do they expect Windows to work with a color e-ink display???

It is an additional screen. Most likely just an inch or two. It's not replacing the IPS display.
 
I hope everyone here has reported this Kickstarter for fraud, just like I did the day the thing started.

It's so obviously blatant.

HELL NO!

I want to see what happens! You're absolutely correct, the scam is so blatantly obvious that I really don't feel sorry for anyone who gave them money. Those people would just as easily have lost their money on magic beans.

So I don't condone reporting this project. I'm amazed it's still up and that's why I want it to stay up. This is a unique opportunity to watch a project that is blatantly in violation of Kickstarter's rules, Kickstarter themselves are aware of them (they made them take down the realistic renders) so I want to see how quickly this all blows up and if this affects how Kickstarter enforces their policies in the future.
 

dLMN8R

Member
It is an additional screen. Most likely just an inch or two. It's not replacing the IPS display.

Yeah, lower display is for keyboard, functional keys, etc.

Yes I understand it's "only" the lower screen.

In their screenshots and videos they clearly show that lower screen working as essentially a 2nd screen in Windows. It shows Steam Big Picture Mode, it shows games running on it, and other ideas.


Even if it were "only" for keyboard, functional keys, etc., what do you think is rendering those? Magical fairy dust? It is either Windows, or it's a completely distinct component being run by some other operating system with separate software.

And if it's some separate component / software running it, it somehow needs to interface with the Windows PC so that the input can be recognized appropriately.

And it all needs to work on either a full-color display just like a 2nd PC monitor, or it needs to work with an e-ink display that has completely different behavior and requirements.



This is alone quite literally a multi-million dollar change they're suggesting. It's not small. It's not a "swap". It's not insignificant. Putting an e-ink display there instead of a 2nd lower display is a completely ground-up redesign of literally every single thing about how they claim the device will work.
 

StereoVsn

Member
Yes I understand it's "only" the lower screen.

In their screenshots and videos they clearly show that lower screen working as essentially a 2nd screen in Windows. It shows Steam Big Picture Mode, it shows games running on it, and other ideas.


Even if it were "only" for keyboard, functional keys, etc., what do you think is rendering those? Magical fairy dust? It is either Windows, or it's a completely distinct component being run by some other operating system with separate software.

And if it's some separate component / software running it, it somehow needs to interface with the Windows PC so that the input can be recognized appropriately.

And it all needs to work on either a full-color display just like a 2nd PC monitor, or it needs to work with an e-ink display that has completely different behavior and requirements.



This is alone quite literally a multi-million dollar change they're suggesting. It's not small. It's not a "swap". It's not insignificant. Putting an e-ink display there instead of a 2nd lower display is a completely ground-up redesign of literally every single thing about how they claim the device will work.
Oh, don't get me wrong, it's a large endeavor for sure. I guess I didn't see the completely batshit crazy full second screen suggestion there.

I was thinking they basically are building a hardware interpreter of some sort for keyboard and then linking to Windows. That would still be a large task but not on the order of making full second screen work.

I really hope this project runs through because it will bro credible to watch the meltdown after the Kickstarter. I also hope 3DS style 3D makes it in. Come on, they can't throw VR goal in there, people aren't that dumb, are they? Glasses free 3D though sounds just enough to be plausible :).

Edit: One more keyboard clarification, my initial assumption was "hard" pre-coded locations and that Windows wasn't actually rendering it, would run off diff chil of some sort.
 

Kjell

Member
Wha the fuck is up with the sound syncing in that video. His lips are tripping me out

I suspect they had the video dubbed by a native English speaker due to the prejudice of a Russian accent potentially being off-putting to some investors ... i could be wrong though. At least they still used a "European" ruler ;-P

wegE5bL.png
 

MJPIA

Member
@Biju Varghese
@Brian Ho
PGS Hardcore will be equipped with GPS chip.
@Biju Varghese
Micro-hdmi port - yes, through the USB-C adapter.
SD card slot - no, but instead there will be a MicroSD slot.
USB-C port - yes.
Fast Charging - yes.
Wireless Charging - If we reach the corresponding Goal than yes.
Miracasting support - yes, there is also WiDi support.
Bluetooth - yes.
Wireless AC - yes.
@Biju Varghese
Both PGS versions will also be equipped with frontal cameras.
@Gov
Survey within community shows that yes, the D-Pad will be solid as in Xbox Elite Pad.
@Kode Williams
Survey shows that most people would rather like to have a color E-ink as an optional display.
@Seth
Thanks for your advices. We'll think about it.
@chris
PGS Hardcore will be equipped with GPS module. The status LED is also included, it will be located near the frontal camera.
We consider adding the NFC feature as a new Stretch Goal. The decision depends on how much would this technology cost.
@Seth
Thanks for idea. We'll mind it.
@Steve De George JR
The Kickstarter interface doesn't allow deleting comments.
@alcaina7
PGS Hardcore will be equipped with GPS chip. The M2 SSD is less suitable for our device than UFC due to the minimal case size.
@Aristide
Both PGS versions will be equipped with a MicroSD slot.
@Andrew Peter
Thanks for useful advices. We'll discuss it in our team.
@Dirk Loose
@Mark T
@Pablo Emilio Acevedo Díaz
@Robert Yuen
We are very sorry, we have fixed the mistake. The PGS Hardcore will be equipped with the Amoled display in any way, regardless of the amount of funds.
@Gr8one
@MJPIA
@Gr8one
We do have experienced engineers in our team which are capable of working on the PCB design, but now we have a lot of tasks to be done only once, which are not to be reworked later. The final PCB design depends on many factors, including the achieved Stretch Goals. At the current stage we don't think we should do things which should be inevitably reworked in the future.
@O Juanan Pascual
Yes
@Brian Asiansensation Prampetch
@Yousif Sabih
We have come to the need of placing L3 and R3 on the upper end of the device, because it will force the reliability of mechanical control elements. Don't forget that in case of home video game console you may just purchase a new gamepad once the previous one malfunctions. This is not our case.
@Robert Yuen
The device case and its mechanical components are being developed now and may undergo some minor changes by the release time.
@Qing Fang
PGS Hardcore will be equipped with 2 versions of modems, supporting European networks as well as American networks of the latest generation.
@Zesty
Thanks for your advice, we'll consider SF Express.
@Sebastian
No.
@midnite
We'll consider such opportunity, most likely it is possible.
@Horace Cheng
@Nofear2plus
The nearest update will be dedicated to introducing our team.
@Gov
Our negotiations with Intel have come to further point, so we decided that it is the right way to remove the AMD Goal.
Officially, there is support of memory cards of up to 256GB capacity, but in fact you can use any existing cards including currently the most large capacity of 512GB.
@elefas
Thanks for advice, we'll do this.
@Aristide
Thanks for advices. By the way, it was indeed a "ScreenJunkies honest trailer guy".
Woo more changes.
Possibly nfc and goodbye amd stretch goal.
I wanna know what surveys he is talking about since I haven't seen anything.
Unless by survey they just mean data from surveying the comments posted on the kickstarter page which is very much not a good way to gather data.
He totally ignored my question about how they intent to deliver by march, almost a month ago PGS did a AMA on reddit where they said they stand by march as a delivery date and that they will avoid delays at all costs and I wanna make them say how they intend to do so.
 

dLMN8R

Member
LOL

Tokhtakhounov was born to an Uyghur family in Tashkent, Uzbek SSR, in 1949. In early years he was an amateur football player, playing for junior team of Pakhtakor in some seasons. His attempts to continue his career in CSKA Moscow failed and he soon ceased to play. Tokhtakhounov was twice imprisoned: in 1972 and in 1985 for Parasitism.

In early 90's he left Russia and settled in Paris, France. There he was soon accused in committing illegal business deals and smuggling of hardware from Germany. He was also reported having relations with Russian mafia, including ethnic Georgian mobster Tariel Oniani.

In 2002 Tokhtakhounov was accused in bribery of ice skating judges in the 2002 Winter Olympics. He was arrested in Italy by USA request, but the Italian court denounced the extradition bid and freed Tokhtakhounov.

In Russia he was investigated concerning the legality of his Russian citizenship.

He is notably close to professional Russian tennis players. For instance, a 2002 article in the Belgium daily La Libre Belgique [2] reported on interviews of Russian players following Tokhtakhounov's arrest in Italy. Yevgeny Kafelnikov defended his "friend", Marat Safin refused to discuss a topic that was "not his problem" while Anna Kournikova commented "I have heard of this man. But I don't think I should talk about it. I am Russian and I will have to go back there". Pressed to say whether Tokhtakhounov could be called a mobster, she answered, "One might say that."

The United States has a current arrest warrant out for him on fraud-related charges.[3] In 2010, Alimzhan featured in the 2010 documentary Thieves by Law.[4] He lives openly in Russia.[5]

In 2013, Tokhtakhunov was charged with running an illegal gambling ring based from the United States.[6]
 

indask8

Member
I've already backed a kickstarted handheld (GCW Zero), but I'll pass on this one... I have a very bad feeling about it.

If you really want a Windows handheld console as said before in this thread, look for the GPD Win, made by a team that has already successfully released Android handhelds, should arrive for real in a few month.
 

Rich!

Member
I wonder if it can work as a panini/sandwich toastie press?

I'm sure if they use some eco-glow magma oxide function strips they can get that functionality in too. someone ask them please, I'll back if they do
 

MJPIA

Member
Just checked the pyra forum thread about it and someone dug up the ceo.
Just gonna quote his post.
https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/th...gpd-win-competitor.77205/page-17#post-1385291
So someone found the CEO of pgslab.com , A guy by the name of Nadir Mursalov. If you look at some of the PGS creator comments, some are signed as Nadir.

Anyway, the guy found his russian xing page (similar to linkdin ). It clearly says he is the ceo of pgslab.com He's a 3D generalist - basically a 3D CGI artist sort of. ie someone who can create that type of flashy ad you see as the kickoff to the PGS kickstarter. You can see in his demo real he has done many ads like you see for PGS ->

https://vimeo.com/79775846

You may need to register to see his profile here:
https://www.xing.com/profile/Nadir_Mursalov/cv?sc_o=p2786_s

His skill sets: 3D Softimage XSI 3Dmax Fusion Animation Visualisation VFX CG Supervisor Generalist Nuke Compositing Video Editing Audio Editing Maya

CEO
pgslab.com

Industry: Computer Hardware
Type of organisation: Publicly held corporation
Company size: 1-10 employees
Employment: Owner
Career level: Senior Executive (CEO, CFO, President)
Discipline: Administration

Инициатор, создатель и руководитель проекта -> Initiator, founder and leader of the project

-> I'm going to guess, given the above, that everyone in the PGS video is an actor. My conjecture - take it with a grain of salt. Separate note: Nadir (the CEO) does not appear in the video.
 

Gr8one

Member
New update

Seems like a trustworthy team. I googled some of them and the legal affairs manager has an interesting family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimzhan_Tokhtakhunov

Looks like what everyone has been speculating. It's a high concept technical kickstarter developed primarily by non technical people. Glad they finally shared the team but it's not like they had much of a choice after some internet detective work released the CEO's public information.

I also do not like how it's a backers only update. They should have this information front and center on the campaign page like every other kickstarter. I can see why now as they would have probably not had as many backers as their experience leaves a lot to be desired on developing a complex handheld gaming device.
 

MJPIA

Member
lola-kochetkova.jpg

http://films.imhonet.ru/element/1055354/
Skip to 39 seconds into the video.
So they got a Russian actress whom they are friends with to participate in their kickstarter and act as their representative in the US to help register their company and they used a stock photo of her you can find when you google lola kochetkova?
Russian actress doubling as a legal affairs manager.
Sure
 

dLMN8R

Member
I can't wait for someone to find all of those photos on a Stock Photo web site.

lola-kochetkova.jpg

http://films.imhonet.ru/element/1055354/
Skip to 39 seconds into the video.
So they got a Russian actress whom they are friends with to participate in their kickstarter and act as their representative in the US to help register their company and they used a stock photo of her you can find when you google lola kochetkova?
Russian actress doubling as a legal affairs manager.
Sure

OMG
 
So they got a Russian actress whom they are friends with to participate in their kickstarter and act as their representative in the US to help register their company and they used a stock photo of her you can find when you google lola kochetkova?
Russian actress doubling as a legal affairs manager.
Sure

yup that's the same path I went down to find her/confirm it was the same person.

good shit. truly the gift that keeps on giving.
 

Tempy

don't ask me for codes
I think most of those people don't actually exist, or have no idea their names and likeness are being used here.
 
hehehehe

Their Japanese engineer was just a Russian guy all along.


Also, with that whole daughter of a mobster connection thing, I can promise you the story behind how they've been able to raise this much on KS from such an obviously flawed project is about to get a lot more entertaining!
 
Pardon my ignorance, but out of the actual windows handhelds coming (not this scam), which seems to be best/most capable of being a dedicated emulator handheld?
 

StereoVsn

Member
hehehehe

Their Japanese engineer was just a Russian guy all along.


Also, with that whole daughter of a mobster connection thing, I can promise you the story behind how they've been able to raise this much on KS from such an obviously flawed project is about to get a lot more entertaining!
Well, at least they have well funded investors!
 
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