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[eaise]

As someone who has owned every home Nintendo Console I am 100% disappointed by this. I was hoping for an amazing dedicated home console that would attract 3rd parties.
I never play handheld games. Ever. Haven't even owned a handheld since the GBA. So basically if I choose to buy it I'm wasting money.

Bad choice Nintendo

 

[Durante]

Can anyone with more tech knowledge than me decipher how powerful this would be, based on that info, compared to the Wii U?

The CPU is a lot (lot) faster. The GPU is quite a bit faster, and a lot more modern.

All depending on final clocks of course. (Which might differ in handheld and dock modes)

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

Disappointing if true. I have always gamed on consoles attached to a TV. The portable aspect of it will be useless for me and I doubt it will be a significant upgrade over Wii U due to the NX being a hybrid.

 

[BronzeWolf]

Seems like a great proposition.

PC + NX should be GOAT next gen

 

[Always-honest]

i'll wait for more news on what it can actually do but i'm pretty sad about it not being that powerful right now.

 

[The Elite]

So what does this have to do with the quality of my life?

 

[Schnozberry]

So... it's likely to not be much more powerful than the Wii U... and as someone who no longer wants to buy handhelds, I'll basically just be forced to upgrade my console with no advantage just to continue playing Nintendo games?

I'll wait for September and see... but uh... no thank you?

It's going to be quite a bit more powerful than Wii U. Nintendo has just done an admirable job of hiding how weak the Wii U actually is.

 

[Taker666]

Imagine if the dock was optional. So say they sell just the handheld for, I don't know, $199. Then if you want a more powerful set up for home, you can buy it with the dock for $299. I think this could entice a lot of people with different budgets in mind. At the end of the day, they'll still be playing the same games no matter what they buy.

It wouldn't entice me as a home console gamer..

...I'd rather pay just $199 for a home console ...rather than having to pay $299 for a home console via an upgrade for a handheld I don't want.

 

[Joelstinton14]

Ha finally.

If this is all true, Nintendo should have revealed sooner. Now it's spoiled.

I don't know, we still know nothing about it really. Also because it as sort of got the power question out of the way they can just focus on revealing it without people going bat shit over the top when it comes to power on the day they do reveal it.

It as gotten the most disappointing aspect about the console for "hardcore" games out of the way. Lowered expectations.

 

[Crayolan]

What would make you think Nintendo would flat out tell you what the NX would be 3 years in advance?

Usually when companies do this they dodge the question and give a PR non-answer, not flat out de-confirm things.

 

[therussmorris]

This isn't for me, but I'll withhold judgement until I see it.

That's not how you use the internet.

 

[Sephzilla]

Nintendo is not chasing graphical parity

Assuming this is true, my ability to see the future has consumers going like this

The PS4 and XB1 are selling perfectly fine as graphical parity systems with very little gimmicky bullshit. Yet Nintendo insists on going the unique snowflake route. Personally this hurts my interest in the system a bit because it's going to make it harder to get a balance of good first and third party games.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Why not just make a separate mini console with the same internals and cheaaper? Why force people who don't want a handheld buy one?

Maybe there will be a sku like that. They have talked about the NX being a platform rather than one specific device.

But I doubt it will have a great screen anyway, so I doubt dropping the screen would drop the price much anyway. And they probably will make games that use AR stuff and require using it as a portable sometimes, then switching back to console mode etc. So they probably just want everyone to have the same hardware to make those kind of ideas possible and deliverable to everyone who owns the hardware.

 

[AmyS]

Can't wait to play Zelda on this thing.

Just worried that it may run worse on this thing than on the Wii U.

Tegra X1 is already a lot more powerful than Wii U.

Even the last-gen Tegra K1 is more powerful than Wii U.

NX is using Tegra X1 for development. So it's either using that, or maybe the new Tegra that Nvidia is going to unveil in August.

 

[Zee-Row]

"Due to the radical change in hardware design and internal technology, we've been told by one source that there are no plans for backwards compatibility."

Pretty important to note too if it's true

Awesome , everything I bought on Wii U is useless again. Probably have to buy all my virtual console games for a 4th time.

 

[RootCause]

So... it's likely to not be much more powerful than the Wii U... and as someone who no longer wants to buy handhelds, I'll basically just be forced to upgrade my console with no advantage just to continue playing Nintendo games?

I'll wait for September and see... but uh... no thank you?

Al it's twice as strong as the the WiiU, and that's the one on the Shield TV. Maybe they make some changes, and squeeze a bit more out of it.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Nintendo consoles as we knew them are basically dead with this move

 

[Rodin]

Not in the same ballpark because it's powered by Tegra. Developers aren't going to want to deal with this when everything else is x86.

Read my post about Tegra X2. I'm not sure it's going to use that, obviously, but it would explain why the current Tegra X1 is noisy in the home (it's an overclocked placeholder?) and the delay to 2017. Digital Foundry speculated the same thing in their article.

ARM or x86 doesn't change anything as long as power is there.

 

[MuchoMalo]

The only way I'm gonna buy this at launch is if Nvidia convinced Nintendo to include Gamestream support. If that happens, I'll take back everything bad I've said and buy it at a high price.

 

[robotrock]

For the love of good, the touch screen better not be resistive.

 

[Enduin]

Without properly competing tech wise with the AAA industry (as a handheld), I can't see any route for this succeeding in non Japan countries as a Nintendo/Japan exclusives box without being dirt cheap like the 3ds or theit other handhelds have been. And I doubt it'll be cheap considering there's only one model.

When we thought there were multiple NX products these issues explained themselves, but with only one product it's going to have a tricky time appealing globally.

I think having a fully supported platform that allows people to use the same device to play all their games on the go on the small screen or at home on the big screen will be a compelling product for many people.

Past attempts have been beyond half assed. PSP Go was a joke, PS TV was even worse, set tops like even the Nvidia Shield TV, fucking Ouya and Apple TV were never taken seriously or supported properly. And aside from the PSP Go, none of them actually allowed you to seamlessly go from home to outside with your system.

Not to mention this has the Nintendo brand behind it. It might not be the draw some fans make it out to be, but with recent massive cultural wins like Miitomo and Pokemon Go they've shown they can still draw in huge numbers with their brand and IPs. If handled correctly, shipping with a solid line up and maybe a few coups from other major 3rd parties and also dipping into the mobile phone market even more with some solid ports of major mobile games from there they could carve out a sizable market for themselves.

 

[Tarnpanzer]

It's a handheld. People keep forgetting that.

Nope, it´s a hybrid, and I would solely use it as a home-console connected to my TV. So it has to compete with Neo and Scorpio in terms of graphics.

 

[KAL2006]

Here is what I think the dock does.

It just charges the system and is a HDMI passthrough

The portable unit itself has a 540p screen and is underclocked to save battery life. When in docked mode the unit itself overclocks to allow 1080p on the TV.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

Is this what they didn't want the competition to copy though? lol

It doesn't sound like something revolutionary or something that will catch on at such a big scale that Sony and Microsoft will just stop and drop what they're doing and copy this.

Indeed, if this is true, maybe this thing will suceed on Japan but I dont see it doing well in the West

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

So NX releases 3.5 years after the PS4 and has graphical capabilities like the X1.

lmao...

Nintendo did it again: Lackluster hardware compared to it´s competitors.

Meanwhile people are playing on their upgraded PS4s with an even more powerful Xbox a couple months away.

But on the other hand, I see Nintendo being able to push out a major title pretty much every month with this thing. So if you are a big Nintendo fan, that really doesn't matter.

 

[jroc74]

So it's a hybrid .

And I had so many ppl convince me it wasnt...

Damn.

I never gave up the idea tho. Every once in awhile some info dropped that made hybrid make sense.

 

[BadWolf]

Nintendo has literally NEVER tried to put out the most powerful console it could. Anyone still expecting it after 30 years is insane.

Wasn't the SNES more powerful than the Megadrive and the N64 more powerful than the PS1?

The GC was also more powerful than the PS2.

 

[phanphare]

Or you could see it at last attempt to remain relevant. It's not secret that both 3DS and Wii U sold only a fraction of their predecessors. It's entirely possible that just Nintendo games maybe not be enough to make this thing successful. We shall see what times bring.

basically like I said earlier in the thread do a thread search for Wii U recommendations, 3DS recommendations, and then exclude the overlap like NSMB2/NSMBU, Smash 3DS/Wii U etc.

yes, it's an attempt to stay relevant and a good attempt at that. they're leveraging their strengths and basically making their weaknesses irrelevant.

also with Nintendo now on mobile the 3DS selling less than the DS because of that market's rise is much less significant to the future of Nintendo and the Wii U selling significantly less than the Wii has been pretty much swept under the rug with this new direction. now home console gaming is a bullet point for their new hardware.

time will tell whether or not its successful but it's basically their best and only play after the things you mentioned.

edit: and this doesn't even consider incremental upgrades, which are probably a foregone conclusion seeing as how Nintendo's handhelds specifically always have upgrades

 

[Graphics Horse]

Hmm interesting. So the dock may be the supplemental computing device? Could it contain extra hardware to make games look nicer on the TV, like an SLI type arrangement?

It's possible, but it's also possible that it just has an HDD in there and could still fit the SCD patent, it covered just plain data resource sharing as an alternative to processor sharing.

 

[DoubleYou]

Nintendo won with just ZELDA alone

Spoiler

I agree

 

[Cloud7]

I'm all about this consolodation for a few reasons:

1. Development teams can help Nintendo release a steady stream of new 1st party games.
2. Being able to play the same games anywhere.
3. Helps out with local friend gaming sessions.

That is a just a few of the positives. As long as this thing can be in range of XB1 and can play modern games, this will be fan freakin tastic. I can't wait for the reveal.

 

[Ridley327]

32GB is 8 times larger than 3DS and Vita's max game card size.

And, incidentally, larger than a Wii U disc. Not sure that's enough for a theoretical Xenoblade X port to feature dual audio, but it's a step up from what's been available.

 

[Daingurse]

This is pretty damn interesting. I long thought a hybrid would be the best way to go, Nintendo not having to split their focus between 2 platforms seemed like a good idea to me.

Really curious about the visuals this thing will pump out. It sounds like it will be a big step up on the handheld front, but I wonder excatly what kind of bump we're going to see over Wii U games. Breath of the Wild comparisons are also going to be very interesting.

 

[Mdk7]

Sounds a lot more portable than hybrid to me.
Hmm, we'll see.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

So I can play Pokemon on the big screen?... I'll be ok with this $300-400 worth for me easily

 

[BGBW]

Will the home station support Super GameBoy-esque borders when you play on the TV please?

 

[KZXcellent]

Still don't know why people are shocked or angry that Nintendo isn't trying to win in power. Like, haven't they always done their own thing as far back as the N64 with me STILL using carts.

 

[Cow Mengde]

Tegra X1 is already a lot more powerful than Wii U.

Even the last-gen Tegra K1 is more powerful than Wii U.

NX is using Tegra X1 for development. So it's either using that, or maybe the new Tegra that Nvidia is going to unveil in August.

So 2 WiiUs duct taped together in your pants?

 

[AntMurda]

Here is what I think the dock does.

It just charges the system and is a HDMI passthrough

The portable unit itself has a 540p screen and is underclocked to save battery life. When in docked mode the unit itself overclocks to allow 1080p on the TV.

Why would you design the dock to be so useless?

 

[ArtHands]

I did a quick photoshop. To my understand NX concept is going to be somewhat like this? Of cause I am assuming the controller in the handheld form will not be like that, but somewhat more portable.

ok, the previous one seems kinda wrong, so here's the updated one that's closer to the description

 

[mario_O]

I assume this will be the case, but the screen better be 1080p

This is Nintendo. We'll be lucky if it's 720p. And it will probably be a shitty cheap LCD screen.

 

[rrc1594]

I guess NX ain't for me because I don't like handhelds

 

[AGITΩ]

So my complaints of all the handheld nintendo support vs console support will finally be fixed? I can finally play monster hunter and pokemon games on my TV again?

Guess this also helps with split development, nintendo can now just focus on one system. My only question is...now how different would NX Zelda run in comparison to the Wii U?

 

[PMS341]

I called the "dock" thing when the idea of the system started floating around, but hell, this isn't a contest - I'm glad we all had similar intuition.

That being said, and I hate to sound like a cynic, but what is the actual proof here? I know Eurogamer is fairly reputable, but the explosion of information about this is very confident.

 

[GitarooMan]

For the love of good, the touch screen better not be resistive.

That would be insane in the current market. Some low res screen like the Wii U gamepad would also be way out of date and crazy.

 

[Makonero]

This doesn't make any sense. From everything we've heard this far, nothing about the NX is portable. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[cyberheater]

So yet another underpowered Nintendo home console. It might be okay for a handheld.

I'm very underwhelmed.

 

[Little Mons†er]

Yeah this is a completely new direction for Nintendo in terms of consoles

Instead of two different platforms, Nintendo can focus on just one with ALL THEIR GLORY!

Yasssss slay!!!!!

 

[Auto-Reply]

I was never a handheld gamer, I don't even play games on my smart phone, so the only way this would be interesting to me is when it is considerably more powerful than everyone realistically expects it to be so it doesn't look out of placed if it is used stationary exclusively.

I have no idea about the current state of mobile technology but if I had to guess, this can't even be on WiiU levels, right?

 

[ghst]

i don't remember anyone getting this hyped over the nvidia shield.