LOL!! Sorry, was being dumb about the duck thing. Cloud docking sounds awesome!
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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept
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LOL!! Sorry, was being dumb about the duck thing. Cloud docking sounds awesome!
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Deleted member 752119
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They don't need to reach that crowd. That's what their mobile games are for, to get money from their IPs from that mobile blue ocean.
They're main focus is on keeping the base they have now (60ish million 3DS sold, 13ish million Wii Us--so lets say 60ish million to factor in for people buying multiple 3DSs and owning both that and a Wii U)--and hopefully bring back some lapsed core gamers who were Nintendo fans in the past but dropped out at some point (be it quit gaming or just went solely with the competition).
With whatever base they get to also buy into Wii U, more money can be made as attach rates will be higher, and R&D/Development costs lower, from not developing for two platforms and splitting the base as most don't own both console and portable outside of diehard fans.
I'm hoping they've finally realized that it's things like mobile, merchadising, tv shows, theme parks etc. that can milk the blue ocean for money. While their core gamer fans just need lots of good games, good dlc, game related collectables like Amiibos etc. to shell out their money.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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A tablet replacement? Not a chance in hell. Nintendo's not going to design an OS that can come anywhere close to Android or iOS.
VistraNorrez
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I imagine Nintendo will still make smaller budget, more traditional portable games like A Link Between Worlds the Mario and Luigi games. It's just now you can play those games and games like Breath of the Wild on the same system. If you want the next mainline "console" versions of big Nintendo franchises then you will want this system.
There's a significant amount of console players that don't want anything to do with handheld gaming, and vice-versa (moreso in Japan for the latter).
No, I mean when one of the kids decides to undock the NX and go play it somewhere by themselves.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Nintendo won't do this either; waste of money when most people won't spring for a data plan. Just tether
Shpeshal Nick
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Which was their only way forward.
Take the Wii outlier out of the equation and every home console they make sells less than its predecessor. A new traditional home console would have sold less than 10 million lifetime.
Why would Nintendo do that? The market has been slowly telling Nintendo for YEARS that it's not overly interested in its home hardware, but is VERY interested in its portable hardware. So why not use that to its advantage to maximise the portable while keeping a toe in the home to still get some sales from the hardcore that buy Nintendo home consoles regardless?
It's a smart play. 3rd parties will jump on board board because 3rd parties jump on board the DS line now and always have.
X1 is 20nm. X2 would be 16nm
I can't imagine 2 thumbs sticks per detachable controller.
I can imagine using a standard game controller if needed.
I actually have thought about that too.. If Nintendo becomes ambitious enough to not go after PS4 / XB1 but iPhone / Android phones instead then that'd be amazing.
USB type-C seems the most likely.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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Okay, you guys are getting carried away now
Taking on Android and iPhones phones? Yeeeesh
VistraNorrez
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I could see the dock including additional storage with Nintendo making it simple (haha) to transfer data between the dock and the system.
Mobile phone games aren't premium priced products. If Nintendo thinks this is their play, then they are going to lose.
Either that or abandon the premium pricing model, but judging on Zelda, they aren't doing that.
The only third parties they can court are mobile and independent guys selling for $10 or less.
I don't understand how this is Nintendo's mobile play. It's a 3DS with a dock that outputs to your television. Unless Nintendo thinks they can sell $40-60 mobile games to the same market that plays on their phone through brand recognition and the quality of their games.
Either that or abandon the premium pricing model, but judging on Zelda, they aren't doing that.
The only third parties they can court are mobile and independent guys selling for $10 or less.
I don't understand how this is Nintendo's mobile play. It's a 3DS with a dock that outputs to your television. Unless Nintendo thinks they can sell $40-60 mobile games to the same market that plays on their phone through brand recognition and the quality of their games.
goldenpp72
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It would be both, Nintendo didn't fire developers, so if they are only working on one platform rather than 2, it would be logical to then see a far greater output among one device. Now for those of us who game on both (like me) we won't notice a big difference aside maybe gaining a few more games from streamlined development, but for those who only bought one, they will see a big boost in content.
oh yeah, right.
USB would also be useful for connecting to external batteries.
Scully Scully Scoo
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This thing is going to flop hard, hybrid stuff always does. and aint no way in hell are its graphics coming close to x1
Guys, guys.
I know what the SCD is!
I know what Nintendo will use for their cloud!
Some detective work there
That doesn't seem right...
Crimsonsky
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Not to doom and gloom here but this whole thing strikes me as hubris and I don't see it panning out well.
How is this thing going to do multiplayer when you are out and about. The vita had a version that worked on cell networks how did that work out? You think people are going to add this to their plan and pay more money on a bill they already want to be cheaper? Unlikely so multiplayer when you are out is probably going to be limited at best.
Then there's the fact that it's an additional device. Men are out of pockets. Women have purses but I doubt very many of them want to be carrying around a purse full of electronics. Tablets are already on a steep decline, if this thing is as big as or bigger than your cellphone then Nintendo is out of luck. Most people are not going to carry their cellphone and this at the same time. I have a 3ds that I haven't even turned on in two years because I simply don't have any more pocket space and, just like most Americans, I drive to work. My commute is not conducive to playing games. I know that's big in Japan and this thing might be awesome in Japan. I don't see it doing all that well here.
I just think Nintendo is stuck in the past. I agree they want out of the console market and with a quickness but there are better ways of going about that. This is the age of the cellphone, a competing device is not likely to do well considering just how powerful cellphones are, and will be, going into the next year.
So then perhaps this is just for kids who typically do have free time and commutes conducive to gaming. Cool, but Millennials are the biggest generation of all time. Exclude them at your peril.
Best of luck to you Nintendo but my expectation is that you are likely to fail. It isn't the late 90's anymore. I deeply apologize.
How is this thing going to do multiplayer when you are out and about. The vita had a version that worked on cell networks how did that work out? You think people are going to add this to their plan and pay more money on a bill they already want to be cheaper? Unlikely so multiplayer when you are out is probably going to be limited at best.
Then there's the fact that it's an additional device. Men are out of pockets. Women have purses but I doubt very many of them want to be carrying around a purse full of electronics. Tablets are already on a steep decline, if this thing is as big as or bigger than your cellphone then Nintendo is out of luck. Most people are not going to carry their cellphone and this at the same time. I have a 3ds that I haven't even turned on in two years because I simply don't have any more pocket space and, just like most Americans, I drive to work. My commute is not conducive to playing games. I know that's big in Japan and this thing might be awesome in Japan. I don't see it doing all that well here.
I just think Nintendo is stuck in the past. I agree they want out of the console market and with a quickness but there are better ways of going about that. This is the age of the cellphone, a competing device is not likely to do well considering just how powerful cellphones are, and will be, going into the next year.
So then perhaps this is just for kids who typically do have free time and commutes conducive to gaming. Cool, but Millennials are the biggest generation of all time. Exclude them at your peril.
Best of luck to you Nintendo but my expectation is that you are likely to fail. It isn't the late 90's anymore. I deeply apologize.
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This is another thing that they have hopefully wised up to. The pick up and play in short burst gamers mostly largely ditched portables for phones/tablets years ago. What's left of the portable market is core gamers who like to/need to game on the go, or while the TVs in their place are being used by others, or who live in places too small for big screens etc. Especially in Japan.
This approach allows them to get all those games to that market, and have the console gamers still playing the same types of games on their big screens--along with some extras they missed before like Pokemon, Monster Hunter recent entries etc.
Really the only people who should be disappointed are those who were convinced Nintendo was going to start chasing Sony and MS in power again, and that was just not going to happen. There's just not a big enough market for Nintendo hardware at those price levels.
They really need to get the NX running games at least around X1 level when docked, and approaching Wii U performance as a portable, with a launch price of $250-300. Then both markets should be pretty happy. Portable lovers get a very powerful portable by past standards, for the same launch price as the 3DS (which was way overpriced). Console lovers get a console for less than the $350 launch price of the 32GB Wii U. No one is forced to use the feature (portable or console) they dislike, but have the option to take advantage of it as needed.
Only time will tell if this pans out for them, but I'm excited that they seem to be going this path as the hybrid idea always appealed to me a ton.
gundamkyoukai
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A nintendo platform can never be the PS2 when it comes to exclusives software .
This going to get most of the Japanese games but they will never drop PS4 support for just NX.
And i also don''t see it getting much western support either .
I'm excited about having one system for every Nintendo game, but I'm worried that the system will be graphically weak and cumbersome to use. Our phones are getting better and better, so it's harder for us to tolerate 20 second loading times to open apps and menus.
Better than Toy Story graphics, to infinity, and beyond!
The truth is, no one wanted a Vita but it was a dream device for me. It didn't have the software range I'd have liked, but the hardware itself? Perfection.
I kinda feel the same here. It's entirely possible that this idea flops - that there's no remaining target market for it. But if that happens, it won't change the fact that it looks like I'm gonna get exactly what I want here. And Nintendo WILL support it no matter what, the Wii U is proof of that, and this thing will have double the teams working on it.
So whatever about the machine's viability, I almost don't care. I'm too happy to care.
Let's play some games.
I kinda feel the same here. It's entirely possible that this idea flops - that there's no remaining target market for it. But if that happens, it won't change the fact that it looks like I'm gonna get exactly what I want here. And Nintendo WILL support it no matter what, the Wii U is proof of that, and this thing will have double the teams working on it.
So whatever about the machine's viability, I almost don't care. I'm too happy to care.
Let's play some games.
Fahzgoolin
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as long as Zelda NX looks better and performs better than the WiiU
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Worried about the controllers, which seems like they would be kind of shitty, with limited inputs as well (which would limit games), and man, again, is there any reason to expect a battery life beyond like, 3 hours at most?
No Wii U b/c. But what about 3ds/DS? That seems like a possibility.
wonderful103
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Media Create tells me that the PS4 often has trouble keeping up with a Nintendo handheld from 2011.
Mr. Pointy
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I think it's possible for NX to pull it off now without it being a detriment. It was harder for Vita to do it back when it came out.
Okay, you guys are getting carried away now
Taking on Android and iPhones phones? Yeeeesh
They could advertise their strictly moderated app-store environment as kids-friendly to appeal to parents with kids.. but yeah I may be imagining to far
They weren't talking about online multiplayer. Local multiplayer, anywhere basically. Detachable controllers.
Perih Xoph
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Eh, not really feeling this at all. Not much of an handheld gamer at all anymore and wanted a decently powerful console and not this hybrid crap.
LurkFish17
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Well there are no multiplats between ps4 and 3ds so the comparison isn't really fair. Also I don't see the nx taking Japan support from ps4 any time soon.
I think people are really underestimating the potential allure of this. I don't have any particular ideas, but I bet it's the type of idea Nintendo could run and make a killer app with. The new Wii Sports. Not to mention the possibility of having a third player using the touch screen (which sounds cumbersome, but not impossible).
My bad about assuming the WiiU had more 1080p games.
Another interesting thing to consider is how often will Nintendo refresh these devices? If it's an IOS/Android type situation we could get a new SKU every year. That could allow Nintendo to start at a higher price point (299USD) then price drop for Christmas. Then release the NX2 in 2018 and create a viable price drop on the NX1
Another interesting thing to consider is how often will Nintendo refresh these devices? If it's an IOS/Android type situation we could get a new SKU every year. That could allow Nintendo to start at a higher price point (299USD) then price drop for Christmas. Then release the NX2 in 2018 and create a viable price drop on the NX1
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