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Eurogamer: NX = portable w/ carts, detachable controllers, Tegra, TV Out, no BC, Sept

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antonz

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There are attempts to generate discussion but somehow always ends up in the same loop probably due to lack of knowledge in the general topics or just wanting to be silly instead of speculation fun.

For instance some people keep insisting on a handheld the size of the 3DS. We know Nintendo has considered a handheld as large as the gamepad. So there is a wide degree of ranges they can go including in the power spectrum. Limiting thought to it must be like everything before it because 3DS kills speculation.
 

Malus

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This whole thread aint nothing but the NX. Nobody knows anything ever. Nothing ever happens, no new news, no new details. Nintendo dont even talk about it. Just post 15 second zelda clips on twitter and facebook every other day. No new games, no new nothing. Nothing all the time. Jack shit, Zero, Nada, Nothingness forever.

Hey man the Nvidia Hot Chips presentation today was mindblowing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOZjlwIwfk
 

ggx2ac

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Just quoting myself here from last page.

Remember that, if Nintendo want the press to try the NX to give impressions and to not just show game footage with no console like Sony did with the PS4 there would have to be either final retail units ready or preferably a prototype that won't be much different from the final design.

Assuming let's say that apparently dev kits were sent out last week to 3rd parties with the custom design Nintendo went with for the Tegra.

How long would it have taken for them to come up with a working prototype of the NX to get approved for the design of, and then manufacture and test the units at Foxconn to be suitable for revealing the NX with and having it be played with by the press in September.

Of course, this is quite a lot to ask for anyone to answer, let alone speculate. That's why we need leaks.

I can't do it right now but, there was an Iwata Asks for the 3DS and they talked about the design and manufacturing of it.

Look up that and read it for some history revision to pass the time.

Nintendo will have to show a physical model of the NX soon, they don't really have much time left. If they reveal the NX next month with no device shown, that would be cause for concern about whether it will be released by March. Although I'm not concerned about that, they should have something ready because planning stages already happened long ago.

So they would either have everything ready or a sudden delay occurs that causes them to delay the launch. Like that supposed launch for the 2016 Holidays that were suppose to occur.
 

GamerJM

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But at the same time, regardless of if it's a press event or a Digital Event, you still need to get the word out about the event. Plus with Digital Events, there's also behind-closed-doors demos that result in previews going on YouTube right after the Direct.

Eurogamer just said that it gets revealed in September, right? For all we know a reveal could be a short minidirect that shows off the platform, how it functions on a basic level, and its new name, not even any new games. They wouldn't need to show demos to the press for that (iirc the press don't have demo events for every Direct, only the big ones, right?), and they could just announce it as a direct a few days before it happens like they usually do.
 

Richie

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SMD is a joke: https://twitter.com/SMetaldave64/status/767802537969721344
You could disagree with someone, but this respone is childist against Nate.


This site says they will reveal it 21sept. It's also posted on more sites.

http://www.bitfeed.co/page/nintendo...-of-presentation-output-and-line-up-of-launch

I doubt it's real

The article is so professionally put together that 1) they're giving credit to that laughably fake 4chan "leak" someone must have done in ten minutes of boredom; 2) it doesn't even list the supposed launch line-up despite being in its title, for the paragraph where it's about to list them is suddenly interrupted by "The best-selling renovated in key 2016? The Motorola Moto G4 is on offer today on at 190 euros. CLICK HERE TO CONTINUE READING", that being an actual part of the text; aaaand 3) They link to a video with 34 views to its name, uploaded way back in April, starring some random dude what could be any of us simply speculating on what the NX's games could be.

The site should be banned from GAF on account of this "article" alone.

EDIT: On closer inspection this page is translating other articles which no doubt account for how horribly it's made up....Hilariously enough I don't find the linked video in the original article so no idea how that got there, but really adds to the "appeal". And yeah original article IS referencing that stupid "leak" so nothing to see here.
 

ckfy63a

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So it looks like Business Insider first reported on the Sept. 7th Playstation Meeting at around 2:30pm Pacific Time on August 9th...I'm not sure exactly when the Wii U September Preview announcement reports started to come in (still looking to know if anyone wants to share), but I'm holding out hope for a Tuesday announcement for another 14 or so hours...if we don't hear anything by then, I guess I can close my browser tab with this thread open for 8 hours or so, until the tomorrow train leaves the station again...
 

Zalman

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So it looks like Business Insider first reported on the Sept. 7th Playstation Meeting at around 2:30pm Pacific Time on August 9th...I'm not sure exactly when the Wii U September Preview announcement reports started to come in (still looking to know if anyone wants to share), but I'm holding out home for a Tuesday announcement for another 14 or so hours...if we don't hear anything by then, I guess I can close my browser tab with this thread open for 8 hours or so, until the tomorrow train leaves the station again...
Press got invites for the September Wii U event on August 21st. Here's the thread.
 

ckfy63a

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Press got invites for the September Wii U event on August 21st. Here's the thread.

Ah, thanks for that. So it seems like the invite went out during business hours for NOA...makes sense, given the event was in NYC hosted by Reggie.

I have such mixed feelings about an announcement tomorrow; on the one hand, it's the perfect time to announce to get a press reveal in before TGS; on the other hand, Nintendo will Nintendo, and if we're truly expecting something similar to the Wii U September meeting / 3DS showcase, then we should expect it in January, two months before the NX is allegedly to be released. Then again, with the previous two showcases, we had formal unveilings of the damn things already...
 
Press got invites for the September Wii U event on August 21st. Here's the thread.

Tuesday at 2PM EST it seems. So that's a potential goal today... hopefully. :(

There is no reason that they would take the same date as prev gen.
I think it's going to be in the end of October.

Maybe it wouldn't matter if they didn't do September 13th THREE TIMES!

September 13th, 2006: Wii event (note it was 9PM EST on the 13th when it the event was in Japan)
September 13th, 2011: 3DS event
September 13th, 2012: Wii U event
 
Everything relies on how Nintendo will rollout the NX information,
Not getting invites doesn't mean that there won't be information being shared in September.

The system could be introduced in September through a Direct,
Maybe a following Hands on event might happen in September, October or November.
 
SMD is a joke: https://twitter.com/SMetaldave64/status/767802537969721344
You could disagree with someone, but this respone is childist against Nate.


This site says they will reveal it 21sept. It's also posted on more sites.

http://www.bitfeed.co/page/nintendo...-of-presentation-output-and-line-up-of-launch

I doubt it's real

SMD just put out a video of people being salty over all of this, but it's like he doesn't see how he acts lol.

Anyways, I think we've seen that rumor. Seems pretty fake.
 

MoonFrog

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what's this thread about

Well, mostly it cycles through a couple different conversations with the ever present build-ups to what are soon revealed to be non-events. But it won't be sleeping when something (hypothetically) finally does happen, so there's that.

Idk. It's nice to see what the interested are thinking and little bits of new tech speculation. It's also nice to have people watching out for possible news coming for you.
 

Aostia

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I'm still pretty sure that if invites will be sent out, that will happen next week, not this one.
September 13th actually seems a good fitting date, looking back at the previous HW events.
But I'm not discounting the chance that they will make a Digital event for the NX reveal, with press invitation/event later on.
 

ckfy63a

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I'm still pretty sure that if invites will be sent out, that will happen next week, not this one.
September 13th actually seems a good fitting date, looking back at the previous HW events.
But I'm not discounting the chance that they will make a Digital event for the NX reveal, with press invitation/event later on.

What is your reason for thinking next week? Given the September 13th date for Wii U was announced the corresponding Tuesday (Aug. 21, 2012) to today (Aug. 23, 2016), I'm curious.
 

Aostia

El Capitan Todd
Given El Capitan's production info. I am starting to think that the PSPlike item may be either preliminary NX or NX chassis going into production.

A PSP or Vita like formfactor would give then a lot of room for the Pascal chip without needing to be a tablet or have some absurd sized screen. Also 540p.

could be.

I'm pretty sure that his info is wrong though, or at least making incorrect comparisons. I mean, final dev kits usually aren't out until around 6 months befoer launch so I don't know how he expects volume production to be well underway 7 months before launch.

It is not my fault if distinguish the different phases of a product development is so hard for someone. I didn't talk about volume mass production, but about other earlier phases, that occur before, but obviously "fix" different elements (plastic shells, chassis, internal space arrangements, screw and bolts positioning, and so obviously electronic components nature/size/positioning) for the final product

Than if you think that everything from mould opening to ETA can happen for millions of pieces distributed wordlwilde in 3 months, ok. as you prefer.

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What is your reason for thinking next week? Given the September 13th date for Wii U was announced the corresponding Tuesday (Aug. 21, 2012) to today (Aug. 23, 2016), I'm curious.

Just a "sensation" due to the fact that some Eu subsidiaries will be fully operational just starting from next Monday, after the Summer break. Of course, this is just an assumption and could be wrong, but they came back to work this week (Monday 22nd) but not in their integrity (some of the stuff is still on vacation). I totally understand that this "revela" will be a JP/US one, more than anything, and that other regions outside EU don't have such a "big" summer break as we usually do, so take this absolutely just as a personal feeling.
 

ggx2ac

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We know he's talking non-sense. As we already have enough jokers in this thread I wouldn't mind if people stopped mentioning him at all, so there's one less of them. :)

I clearly didn't need to see a video of him claiming neutrality only for him to state that he is right about AMD without reasonable doubt.

It's best to ignore him so we can just focus on what is the most likely case for NX to occur.

(Just for reference to any angry letter writers, I stated before that if I am wrong about my speculation of the NX then I will admit that I am wrong. I don't really care, i just want to get this right. That's why I started having doubts about the NX being tablet-sized because it wouldn't be necessary if there is no dock mode and you have to use the SCD.)

Think about it, I would have argued for AMD or DMP if I thought they were going to be used for the NX but things aren't adding up. I would have given my reasoning, something that I have shown in the NX Pascal thread when I argued with others on Twitter when I stated I was disappointed with their claims because they are not doing enough to make a strong argument for their claims because they were too easy to disprove.

As I said earlier in the page, a working physical model of the NX has to be shown especially when there is only 6 months until launch from September. That is similar to when the PS4 console was revealed at E3 and then launched in November. I'm pointing this out because it's hard to see the DMP M3000 being ready for use when DMP stated it would release in the first half of 2017, it throws things into doubt with regards to timing unless the NX is delayed.

We've also had no one disprove that the NX is a hybrid, Takashi Mochizuki is the one that first broke this last year and mentioned it is a hybrid from sources last month. He made an article yesterday or the day before mentioning there is a PS4 Neo and PS4 Slim which he got from sources where during that time, people were claiming the leaked PS4 Slim to be fake and look where we are at now, it's real and there are even unofficial unboxings for it. lol
 

cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
I hope NX, being mobile tech, is refreshed every two years. Get some decent power increases.
That's very likely.. I expect hardware refreshes every 2 years.... Which will be fine since they will offer full BC to previous NX Generations.
 

jdstorm

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Some thoughts on VMs and their relevance (or lack thereof) to a Nintendo console. I'm getting a PhD in distributed systems/operating systems, which doesn't mean I know what I'm talking about at all, but I'd like to think it makes my uninformed BS have a slightly higher chance of being accurate:



I think you've got it the wrong way. This tech means one machine can fake being 8 different machines rendering graphics independently. I don't think it would help multiple physical devices share resources in any way.



Yep, you're spot on that this tech doesn't seem too useful in a console/handheld. One video-game related use that I could see for it, though, is being used in the server farms powering cloud gaming/game streaming. Those games are probably already running on VMs, so I can see the appeal in having a chip with low power consumption/heat output that works well with rendering graphics in virtualized environments.



Again, virtualization doesn't help multiple physical devices combine their resources. Precisely the opposite--it helps one physical device fake being multiple computers simultaneously. The idea of running software in a virtual environment, and using that virtualization to make it easier to develop software across iterative releases, is interesting, though. My gut instinct is that it would be easier to just have software development use a set of common libraries that are recompiled to any new architecture, since getting good performance out of virtualization takes a lot of tweaking anyways, but I don't know enough to have a firm idea of what the advantages and disadvantages of each approach are.



Virtualization would do nothing to improve performance for running something like AI, and it would probably actually hurt performance significantly (there's the raw performance penalty of virtualization, and now your 7 AI processes on your 7 different VMs have to pass messages back and forth to communicate with the main game VM).

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my uninformed speculation. I appreciate it.

If I could ask one aditional potentially dumb question along this line of questioning. I'd appreciate an answer.

We know that the Wii U has low latency wireless tech in it that allows almost instantaneous streaming of the game. We also know that the NX is likely to contain 2 Denver Cores. Cores that become more effective as they start to run the same code on loop. So is it possible using say 4 NX devices, that they could share the same Virtual environment with each machine outputting 1/4th of the code required to build the world/background then it becomes combined within the signal receiver and then follows that directly into the display.

So 4 devices are all outputting 1/4th of the required display data over 4 seperate display channels and are receiving a wide band signal consisting of 4 seperate signals into the A53 cores which combines the background information with the player movement/interaction data to then render. The complete image.

Is this hypothetically possible, or complete crazy talk?
 

Hermii

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Thanks for taking the time to respond to my uninformed speculation. I appreciate it.

If I could ask one aditional potentially dumb question along this line of questioning. I'd appreciate an answer.

We know that the Wii U has low latency wireless tech in it that allows almost instantaneous streaming of the game. We also know that the NX is likely to contain 2 Denver Cores. Cores that become more effective as they start to run the same code on loop. So is it possible using say 4 NX devices, that they could share the same Virtual environment with each machine outputting 1/4th of the code required to build the world/background then it becomes combined within the signal receiver and then follows that directly into the display.

So 4 devices are all outputting 1/4th of the required display data over 4 seperate display channels and are receiving a wide band signal consisting of 4 seperate signals into the A53 cores which combines the background information with the player movement/interaction data to then render. The complete image.

Is this hypothetically possible, or complete crazy talk?

Sounds like crazy talk to me. Are you saying they could require people to own 4 NXes to run some games?
 

MuchoMalo

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Wow, he's truly lost it. This is just sad and makes him look like a jackass. As cool as it would be he were right, he kinda needs to be wrong to come crashing back to Earth.

Oh, and I just get a PM from someone saying that Hot Chips confirmed that Nvidia isn't involved. I don't know how Hot Chips disproved Nvidia, but okay. People act like a chip can only be made for one purpose.
 
Wow, he's truly lost it. This is just sad and makes him look like a jackass. As cool as it would be he were right, he kinda needs to be wrong to come crashing back to Earth.

Oh, and I just get a PM from someone saying that Hot Chips confirmed that Nvidia isn't involved.

Are you being sarcastic about the NVidia not being involved?

Well that's strangely consistent.
Wow this really is the best evidence we have!
 

ggx2ac

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Wow, he's truly lost it. This is just sad and makes him look like a jackass. As cool as it would be he were right, he kinda needs to be wrong to come crashing back to Earth.

Oh, and I just get a PM from someone saying that Hot Chips confirmed that Nvidia isn't involved. I don't know how Hot Chips disproved Nvidia, but okay. People act like a chip can only be made for one purpose.

lol you definitely get a lot more attention than me even though I've been on the opposition regarding AMD, DMP and the dock.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
Are you being sarcastic about the NVidia not being involved?

Huh? No, some junior said that there's no way Nvidia's involved after Hot Chips. It's like people don't know what these events are for. The new Tegra is primarily targeted at automotive, so that's what they're going to focus on. It's like saying that NX definitely won't support any kind of multimedia if the reveal is focused on games. People need to learn to stay neutral and to stop trying to "prove" that they're right. Just look at the evidence, and consider all of it. I can't really blame someone for leaning toward AMD, but the people saying that Nvidia can't be involved because the primary target for Tegra is now cars are just being silly.
 

Jinketsu

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Hey man the Nvidia Hot Chips presentation today was mindblowing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOZjlwIwfk

Haha, that was actually pretty great. What a strange band! Thanks for introducing me to it!

SMD is a joke: https://twitter.com/SMetaldave64/status/767802537969721344
You could disagree with someone, but this respone is childist against Nate.


This site says they will reveal it 21sept. It's also posted on more sites.

http://www.bitfeed.co/page/nintendo...-of-presentation-output-and-line-up-of-launch

I doubt it's real

The sad thing is that he has such bad sportsmanship. If he winds up being right about even the most miniscule thing, I feel like he would turn around and try to gloat as if everyone was a complete idiot for even doubting him at all.

Tuesday at 2PM EST it seems. So that's a potential goal today... hopefully. :(



Maybe it wouldn't matter if they didn't do September 13th THREE TIMES!

September 13th, 2006: Wii event (note it was 9PM EST on the 13th when it the event was in Japan)
September 13th, 2011: 3DS event
September 13th, 2012: Wii U event

As consistent as that is, I'm not going to lean on it because I feel like whenever I lean on something it gets quickly debunked and doesn't happen, haha.
 

ggx2ac

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Tuesday at 2PM EST it seems. So that's a potential goal today... hopefully. :(



Maybe it wouldn't matter if they didn't do September 13th THREE TIMES!

September 13th, 2006: Wii event (note it was 9PM EST on the 13th when it the event was in Japan)
September 13th, 2011: 3DS event
September 13th, 2012: Wii U event

All I looked into was that in 2006, the event was held on a Wednesday. In 2011 and 2012, the event was held on a Tuesday.
If say it were to happen again this year, it would be on a Tuesday again.

This has happened a lot but, Kimishima is the one running things now. Is he going to do the exact same thing? I've never seen him do any keynotes like Iwata. Although that can be attributed to him being a banker and not a developer.

Maybe he'll get someone else to act as the host? If it wasn't happening in the US.
 

ggx2ac

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Didn't Reggie host the US event for the Wii U?

I guess so.

Of course it can happen again. Assuming they don't want to do a worldwide Nintendo Direct so it can cover the Japanese viewers aside from the English viewers.

I guess that if they don't reveal price and date yet it would have to be saved for a worldwide Nintendo Direct later on.

Edit: Now I just noticed something important. If it was a live event, are they going to bother flying in their Japanese 3rd party support to the US? They have to reveal things like the Dragon Quest games and how they look on NX.
 
Huh? No, some junior said that there's no way Nvidia's involved after Hot Chips. It's like people don't know what these events are for. The new Tegra is primarily targeted at automotive, so that's what they're going to focus on. It's like saying that NX definitely won't support any kind of multimedia if the reveal is focused on games. People need to learn to stay neutral and to stop trying to "prove" that they're right. Just look at the evidence, and consider all of it. I can't really blame someone for leaning toward AMD, but the people saying that Nvidia can't be involved because the primary target for Tegra is now cars are just being silly.

Oh. It was just a junior. I thought it was someone with some inside info.

Yeah? Watch Nintendo NOT follow that pattern this year.

YOU CANNOT PREDICT THIS COMPANY.

That's true.
 
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